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This has to be a very weak computer NOT the program.........
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pichy
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This has to be a very weak computer NOT the program.........
Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, but GM Nakamura got lucky or this has to be a very old and weak P.C. with Rybka
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pichy
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, but GM Nakamura got lucky or this has to be a very old and weak P.C. with Rybka![]()
PS: Unless Rybka was able to sacrifice a pawn in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
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pichy
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
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Terry McCracken
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
I have quickly looked over the first game you presented, it has nothing to do with weak hardware or software but everything to do with how to beat these programs.pichy wrote:Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
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pichy
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
You are correct the hardware don't have nothing to do with it, for the first game that I presented GM Nakamura was able to block the position, and Rybka is not programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through. Now if you look at this game, it is simply amazing at how GM Nakamura slowly and gradually demolish Rybka.Terry McCracken wrote:I have quickly looked over the first game you presented, it has nothing to do with weak hardware or software but everything to do with how to beat these programs.pichy wrote:Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
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He knows how.
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Terry McCracken
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
It's very simple, he's good and knows where Rybka is weak.pichy wrote:You are correct the hardware don't have nothing to do with it, for the first game that I presented GM Nakamura was able to block the position, and Rybka is not programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through. Now if you look at this game, it is simply amazing at how GM Nakamura slowly and gradually demolish Rybka.Terry McCracken wrote:I have quickly looked over the first game you presented, it has nothing to do with weak hardware or software but everything to do with how to beat these programs.pichy wrote:Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
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http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl ... pid2=10084
He knows how.
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Thanks for posting these games. I liked this game far better and he took down Rybka without conventional anti-computer techniques.
Terry McCracken
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BubbaTough
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
If computers were allowed unfettered access to human tournaments, GM Nakamura would quite possibly be the highest rated human in the world
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pichy
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
I have something to add, in the beginning back in the 80's when programs did not have opening or ending databases they were very weak programs, later besides adding databases, more knowledge was added and chess programs became stronger and stronger. A program that does not have the knowledge of sacrificing a pawn or two specially when it is ahead in order to break through a fortress of pawns barrier it is still a weak program when matched against a strong human that knows how to block a position. Therefore, Rybka is still a weak chess program.Terry McCracken wrote:I have quickly looked over the first game you presented, it has nothing to do with weak hardware or software but everything to do with how to beat these programs.pichy wrote:Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1497429
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl ... pid2=10084
He knows how.
PS: I should NOT say that Rybka is a weak chess program, it is the strongest program available, but most strong human GMs have more chess knowledge than rybka, and blocking and being able to unblock a position any strong human GM or even a master is capable of doing it when they are ahead in material.
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pichy
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
It is hard to tell, somebody will have to find out which GM has the better percentage versus the top 5 programs ICC.BubbaTough wrote:If computers were allowed unfettered access to human tournaments, GM Nakamura would quite possibly be the highest rated human in the world.
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Re: This is how a GM block a position vs a great Program....
No problem, put the contempt at 3.00 and Rybka will be going to crush you.pichy wrote:I have something to add, in the beginning back in the 80's when programs did not have opening or ending databases they were very weak programs, later besides adding databases, more knowledge was added and chess programs became stronger and stronger. A program that does not have the knowledge of sacrificing a pawn or two specially when it is ahead in order to break through a fortress of pawns barrier it is still a weak program when matched against a strong human that knows how to block a position. Therefore, Rybka is still a weak chess program.Terry McCracken wrote:I have quickly looked over the first game you presented, it has nothing to do with weak hardware or software but everything to do with how to beat these programs.pichy wrote:Here are two more matches versus Rybka:pichy wrote:pichy wrote:Computer at blitz should be almost unbeatable, this is the reason why I do NOT consider the high rating of the top 5 programs to be taken too seriously when matched versus a top GM that knows how to block a position:roll:
PS: Unless programs are programmed to sacrifice a pawn or two in order to break through the position a great program like Rybka is still too materialistic vs a GM and at the end it runs out of time and suffer positionally and give up material. Notice how GM Nakamura was down-trading pieces with the program knowing that Rybka was blocked with the pawns and at the end it will not sacrifice a pawn or two to break the position
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1497429
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl ... pid2=10084
He knows how.
PS: I should NOT say that Rybka is a weak chess program, it is the strongest program available, but most strong human GMs have more chess knowledge than rybka, and blocking and being able to unblock a position any strong human GM or even a master is capable of doing it when they are ahead in material.
Kai