Rebel 14

[Vernon Crawford]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

[AlexChess]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

I'm sure Ed would be more than able to make a new stronger Gideon 2002-based Rebel 15 NNUE MP (that was wonderful on my Tasc Chessmachine )

PEACE to all, Alex

[Rebel]

Ed experiments with neural nets.
Why should he publish old rebel sources ?!
He has documented how his old engine works.

Exactly, Chris lured me into NNUE which was quite a performance by him. I tried NNUE in ProDeo and it ran with a factor 25-30 slower, dropping the average NPS of 2,5 million below 100,000 because the lack of SSE support of the compiler.

You only want to troll vernon.

He is not even consistent in his statements, indirectly he is accusing the initial SF programmers they were lazy taking Glaurung as the base for Stockfish.

[Rebel]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

Or shall I take Glaurung?

Rant, rant, rant, Vernon, do your utmost.

[AlexChess]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

Or shall I take Glaurung?

Rant, rant, rant, Vernon, do your utmost.

Ed please take directly latest SF dev source, Stockfish Team encourages programmers to use their source respecting GPLv3, in the interest of the whole chess community and to improve the SF engine itself with new ideas!

[Rebel]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

Or shall I take Glaurung?

Rant, rant, rant, Vernon, do your utmost.

Ed please take directly latest SF dev source, Stockfish Team encourages programmers to use their source respecting GPLv3, in the interest of the whole chess community and to improve the SF engine itself with new ideas!

Well, I could add the Rebel 14.2 neural net add to SF, but what should I call it? We don't want to make Vernon even more angry that he already is, now can we? No, that would be cruel.

[AlexChess]

Ed experiments with neural nets.

Don't you mean Chris W. and Pawel K. experiment?
It appears Ed just puts his name on it...

I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

Or shall I take Glaurung?

Rant, rant, rant, Vernon, do your utmost.

Ed please take directly latest SF dev source, Stockfish Team encourages programmers to use their source respecting GPLv3, in the interest of the whole chess community and to improve the SF engine itself with new ideas!

Well, I could add the Rebel 14.2 neural net add to SF, but what should I call it? We don't want to make Vernon even more angry that he already is, now can we? No, that would be cruel.

Ed, every way you choose for Rebel 2022, I'll follow and respect you. Don't give up, you are part of computer chess history

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Ed,

you wrote:
I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

In this case it make no sense to test Toga IV 1.1 and Rebel 14.2 NN for my KI-Tourney "run-3".
Means, if you have interest to release Rebel 14.3 NN or Rebel 15.0 NN (based on Toga IV 1.1 with your NN file) in the near future.

At first I am thinking I test both.
I added Rebel 14.2 NN only.

Best
Frank

[AlexChess]

Hi Ed,

you wrote:
I have a surprise for you, the next Rebel will be based on improved Toga source code.

In this case it make no sense to test Toga IV 1.1 and Rebel 14.2 NN for my KI-Tourney "run-3".
Means, if you have interest to release Rebel 14.3 NN or Rebel 15.0 NN (based on Toga IV 1.1 with your NN file) in the near future.

At first I am thinking I test both.
I added Rebel 14.2 NN only.

Best
Frank

Rebel 14.2 is surprising strong to run only on 1 CPU!!!! Think of what Ed could do with a MP version...

Best regards, Alex

PS: Frank, do you know that FCP were already on my 1990 page? http://web.tiscali.it/chessprograms/ (click Aladin Archivio) I have completely FORGOTTEN your very useful page (but I have left chess engines for 10 years up to 2020) ...And soon also Stefan Mayer-Kahlen will return with Shredder 14 NNUE!!!

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Alex,



For a very long time!
Two years the site was often in TOP-5 in FIDE rating.
Often on 1 ... in WB times.
Same for the site from Ed, often in TOP-5 in www chess-sites.
Sometimes before my Winboard site ... grrr.

Michael Diosi and I am working on a very big link-selection.
In over 180 countries links to our site are available.
One of the reasons for the success.

Later I gave the WB site to Thomas and Thomas to Leo (working on Arena with Martin Blume and Michael Diosi).
Yes, I remember on your site, I got a lot of hits.

Today it's the site for Wasp and downloads around Wasp.
I think the tourneys or other things I do here today are not very important, selfish material for things I have fun only.

It was a very nice time.
Had a lot of fun with people from Tonga, Niue (used a forum in Tonga for make chess more popular). The people are thinking the "crazy German". But also all the people from Argentina and Spain, Brazil ... Winboard are very popular here. Many people like to do a bit for me. I collected coffee cups. The most interesting I got from Peru, Chile and Niue.



That was a big deal for me.
Winboard information for you ... coffee cup for me.



Stefan Meyer-Kahlen should make Shredder 14 available and not speaking to long about it.

Thank you Alex!

Best
Frank