This version, having a bigger, slower net, may be more sensitive to specific compiles and instruction sets. Something worth checking.Rebel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:04 amA bit of relief, but not good for my theory of gambit openingsCode: Select all
Gambit Rating List Running : Match SF14 vs SF13 Time Control : Time control 40/120 Games : 200 Results from file gauntlet-sf14-sf13.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +28 =149 -23 *0 102.5 200 51.2% 2 sf13 +23 =149 -28 *0 97.5 200 48.8% Total Games: 200 White Wins: 21 (10.5%) Black Wins: 30 (15.0%) Draws: 149 (74.5%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 3677 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 Stockfish 14 : 3681.4 102.5 200 51 2 sf13 : 3672.6 97.5 200 49
Stockfish 14 has been released
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dkappe
- Posts: 1632
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- Full name: Dietrich Kappe
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Fat Titz by Stockfish, the engine with the bodaciously big net. Remember: size matters. If you want to learn more about this engine just google for "Fat Titz".
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Interesting Stockfish 14 played the bad move Kc4 while Stockfish 13 played the correct move Nc4! to draw the game
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
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RubiChess
- Posts: 640
- Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:20 am
- Full name: Andreas Matthies
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Both moves Kc4 and Nc4 are losing as every other move. Your white engine is just too dumb to find the correct continuation 2. Ke5Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:38 pm Interesting Stockfish 14 played the bad move Kc4 while Stockfish 13 played the correct move Nc4! to draw the game
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
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bmp1974
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:25 am
- Full name: Prasanna Bandihole
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Both Nc4 & Kc4 are losing moves. It's a lost position for Black.
Somehow, many are trying to pull down SF 14 as an unproductive release and seeing it as an unholy marriage between Stockfish & Lc0. But the truth is that it is the strongest engine on the planet.
A 100 game final of TCEC will prove it in the coming days.
Somehow, many are trying to pull down SF 14 as an unproductive release and seeing it as an unholy marriage between Stockfish & Lc0. But the truth is that it is the strongest engine on the planet.
A 100 game final of TCEC will prove it in the coming days.
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daniel71
- Posts: 146
- Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:48 am
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
What about pulling this release and put it back in the oven until its fully baked...
Sometimes when I see development versions that have a negative elo and get released makes me wonder if something is working against it. Faster is not always better and more knowledge left in the program should be a priority now. Anyway I love Stockfish and Komodo and all the other programmers who make life great for Chess!
Sometimes when I see development versions that have a negative elo and get released makes me wonder if something is working against it. Faster is not always better and more knowledge left in the program should be a priority now. Anyway I love Stockfish and Komodo and all the other programmers who make life great for Chess!
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
All Engines start from the beginning, and your Rubichess version 0.9 is worse than MinimalChessEngine, therefore, your Version 0.9 was too Dumb or simply primitive like this MinimalChessEngineRubiChess wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:08 pmBoth moves Kc4 and Nc4 are losing as every other move. Your white engine is just too dumb to find the correct continuation 2. Ke5Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:38 pm Interesting Stockfish 14 played the bad move Kc4 while Stockfish 13 played the correct move Nc4! to draw the game
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Rank Engine Score Ru Mi S-BChessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:01 pmAll Engines start from the beginning, and your Rubichess version 0.9 is worse than MinimalChessEngine, therefore, your Version 0.9 was too Dumb or simply primitive like this MinimalChessEngineRubiChess wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:08 pmBoth moves Kc4 and Nc4 are losing as every other move. Your white engine is just too dumb to find the correct continuation 2. Ke5Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:38 pm Interesting Stockfish 14 played the bad move Kc4 while Stockfish 13 played the correct move Nc4! to draw the game
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
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1 RubiChess-1.0-Bitboard 3.0/6 · ·· ·· · ======?
2 MinimalChessEngine 3.0/6 ======? · ·· ·· ·
6 of 20 games played
Tournament start: 2021.07.03, 11:44:13
Latest update: 2021.07.03, 13:28:08
Site/ Country: MININT-UB2PIMJ, United States
Level: Blitz 5/2
Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz with 15.9 GB Memory
Operating system: Windows 10 Enterprise Professional (Build 9200) 64 bit
Table created with: Arena 3.5.1
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
All Engines are primitive in the beginning, and your Rubichess version 0.9 is worse than MinimalChessEngine, therefore, your Version 0.9 was too Dumb or simply primitive like this MinimalChessEngine. This is the longest game that I have seen
Rank Engine Score Ru Mi S-B
1 RubiChess-1.0-Bitboard 3.0/6 · ·· ·· · ======?
2 MinimalChessEngine 3.0/6 ======? · ·· ·· ·
6 of 20 games played
Tournament start: 2021.07.03, 11:44:13
Latest update: 2021.07.03, 13:28:08
Site/ Country: MININT-UB2PIMJ, United States
Level: Blitz 5/2
Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz with 15.9 GB Memory
Operating system: Windows 10 Enterprise Professional (Build 9200) 64 bit
Table created with: Arena 3.5.1
Rank Engine Score Ru Mi S-B
1 RubiChess-1.0-Bitboard 3.0/6 · ·· ·· · ======?
2 MinimalChessEngine 3.0/6 ======? · ·· ·· ·
6 of 20 games played
Tournament start: 2021.07.03, 11:44:13
Latest update: 2021.07.03, 13:28:08
Site/ Country: MININT-UB2PIMJ, United States
Level: Blitz 5/2
Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz with 15.9 GB Memory
Operating system: Windows 10 Enterprise Professional (Build 9200) 64 bit
Table created with: Arena 3.5.1
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Chessqueen
- Posts: 5685
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:16 am
- Location: Moving
- Full name: Jorge Picado
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
Even i can beat Stockfish 13 as WhiteRubiChess wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:08 pmBoth moves Kc4 and Nc4 are losing as every other move. Your white engine is just too dumb to find the correct continuation 2. Ke5Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:38 pm Interesting Stockfish 14 played the bad move Kc4 while Stockfish 13 played the correct move Nc4! to draw the game
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_13_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Nc4+ 2. Kc5 Nxe3 3. b5 Nc4 4. g4 hxg4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. b6 Na4+ 7. Kc6
Nxb6 8. Kxb6 e3 9. Kc5 Ke4 10. Kc4 e2 11. Bd2 Kf3 12. Kd4 Kxg4 13. Ke3 g5
14. Kxe2 Kh5 15. Be1 g4 16. Kf2 g3+ 17. Kg2 Kg6 18. Bxg3 {Insufficient
material} *
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MinimalChessEngine"]
[Black "Stockfish_14_x64_avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3500"]
[Time "19:22:32"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300+2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/8/3K2p1/6Bp/4p3/3kP2P/1P1n2P1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
1. b4 Kc4 2. Ke6 Kxb4 3. Kf7 Nc4 4. Kxg6 h4 5. Kf5 Kc5 6. Kxe4 Kd6 7. Bxh4
Ke6 8. Bg5 Nd6+ 9. Kf4 Nc4 {Black resigns}
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Rebel
- Posts: 7298
- Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm
- Full name: Ed Schröder
Re: Stockfish 14 has been released
I checked the NPS of both, SF14 is even somewhat faster.dkappe wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:37 pmThis version, having a bigger, slower net, may be more sensitive to specific compiles and instruction sets. Something worth checking.Rebel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:04 amA bit of relief, but not good for my theory of gambit openingsCode: Select all
Gambit Rating List Running : Match SF14 vs SF13 Time Control : Time control 40/120 Games : 200 Results from file gauntlet-sf14-sf13.pgn: No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % --------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stockfish 14 +28 =149 -23 *0 102.5 200 51.2% 2 sf13 +23 =149 -28 *0 97.5 200 48.8% Total Games: 200 White Wins: 21 (10.5%) Black Wins: 30 (15.0%) Draws: 149 (74.5%) Unfinished: 0 (0.0%) Estimated ratings for this elo 3677 pool # PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%) 1 Stockfish 14 : 3681.4 102.5 200 51 2 sf13 : 3672.6 97.5 200 49
Started a match with NORMAL openings, 1749 Jeroen Noomen openings, thus 3498 games, CCRL 40/2 style.
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