Where are the sources for Rebel and the newer CSTal if ...

[mclane]

He is not interested in facts. He wants to troll around and insult people.

His main point was :

the sources should be available.
I can't find this!

Now you gave all 3 links together
with accurate name of Fabian and others
and with sources. Still he is continuing
his rants.

Sometimes facts are not enough.

[Frank Quisinsky]

1. On all the older sites, no downloads are possible!

2. The current site is:
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel
No hints to Fruit / Toga, no sources!!

Very easy to understand!
Based on Fruit / Toga, the sources must be available.

Again, without any ifs and buts!

Best
Frank

[Rebel]

That's not correct Ed!!

First of all Frank, I am not your slave.

Secondly, source code has been on rebel13.nl for years till I got rid of the website, approx 2022 or 2023.

Third, I don't have a (life time) responsibility for stuff I don't offer for download.

Fourth, if you had look well enough you will find 2 Rebel's with source code on my current website.

Figure it out.

[Frank Quisinsky]

He Ed,

first of all Ed!
Sorry, no interest on it to be your master!

As a programmer, In business for so long, you are in role model function for all the others.

My software Rebel / Rebel EAS / Rebel Extreme based on Toga II v4.0 by Thomas Gaksch.
Toga based on Fruit by Fabien LETOUZEY

Download link to your sources
Download link to your engine

For each of your Rebel versions.

You can't be serious about giving lectures on SIM tools and not clearly and unambiguously indicating on your own current website which sources your own software is based on.

CREDITS
. Code Base : Chris Whittington
. Neural network : Ed Schröder
. Opening Book : Jeroen Noomen

That's what the people can find if they start your site.
Do what you like to do!

For me, Rebel is not legal as long as it is clearly stated on a current page.

Best
Frank

[Rebel]

He Ed,

first of all Ed!
Sorry, no interest on it to be your master!

As a programmer, In business for so long, you are in role model function for all the others.

My software Rebel / Rebel EAS / Rebel Extreme based on Toga II v4.0 by Thomas Gaksch.

Wrong.

Others already told you.

Get your facts straight first before you accuse.

It's the normal procedure, politely ask questions first, then you may judge.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Even with bold print, the situation does not change.
But a nice idea to do that on your site ... based on the work by Fabian!

[Rebel]

My software Rebel / Rebel EAS / Rebel Extreme based on Toga II v4.0 by Thomas Gaksch.

LIe.

Even with bold print, the situation does not change.
But a nice idea to do that on your site ... based on the work by Fabian!

I warn you, stop spreading lies, else I will sue you. And in Germany the loser pays for everything.

When the website states :

Code: Select all

CREDITS
. Code Base : Chris Whittington
. Neural network : Ed Schröder
. Opening Book : Jeroen Noomen

Then the source code is from Chris Whittington and not from Fabien or anybody else.

Stop lying.

You are warned.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Good morning Ed again,

stop lying?

OK, what I found on my backup is:

01. 220112, Rebel 14 ... without source-code
02. 220125, Rebel 14.1 ... without source-code
03. 220130, Rebel 14.1 ... without source-code
04. 220302, Rebel 14.2 ... without source-code
06. 220422, Rebel 15 ... with source-code !!
05. 220429, Rebel 15 ... without source-code
07. 220516, Rebel 15x2 ... without source-code
08. 220713, Rebel 15.1 ... with source-code !!
09. 220820, Rebel 15.1a ... without source-code
10. 221130, Rebel 16 ... without source-code
11. 230102, Rebel 16.1 ... without source-code
12, 230211, Rebel 16.2 ... without source-code
13. 230219, Rebel 16.2 ... without source-code ... 47.796.486 bytes
14. 230820, Rebel EAS ... without source-code ... 142.048.728 bytes
15. 240311, Rebel 16.3 ... without source-code ... 142.043.648 bytes
16. 241008, Rebel EAS2 ... without source-code ...142.046.208 bytes
17. 241008, Rebel Extreme 1,0 ... without source-code ... 142.046.208 bytes
18. 250423, CSTal 2.1 EAS ... without source-code ... 142.046.208 bytes
19. 250802, Rebel Extreme 2.0 ... without source-code ... 142.046.208 bytes

Sure, the two versions with source-code you are speaking before.
In my opinion, the sources must be in each of the downloads if the software based on another engine.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

OK, after all I understand ...
Rebel 15.0 / 15.1 based on Toga II 4.0 ...

Rebel Extreme with the name of your engine Rebel in front based on the code by Chris Whittington.
Rebel EAS with the name of your engine Rebel in front based on the code by Chris Whittington.
CSTal 2.1 EAS without the name of your engine Rebel in front "Chess System Tal" based on the code by Chris Whittington.

Engines Chess System Tal / Rebel EAS / Rebel Extreme (142.046.208 bytes) based on the code by Chris Whittington but have different names. More or less Rebel EAS / Rebel Extreme is also a Chess-System-Tal, the NN file is from yourself?!

Perhaps Rebel 16.3 based also on the code by Chris Whittington?

Older Rebels, like 15.0 / 15.1 not based on the code by Chris Whittington, based on the code of Toga?

Rebel 15.0 / 15.1 only based on Toga II 4.0!
Not Rebel 14er edition and Rebel 15.1a - 16.2?

That is wirrwarr for me and have nothing to do with lies Ed.
That are the downloads you offer for us.

Its your own information, in TalkChess (after I remember) that you used the code from Toga Ii 4.0. Comes not from myself. I wrote in TalkChess after I read that (after I remember) ... thats good that the work by Fabien is mentioned.

I have only one interest ...
Nothing to do with your work in detail.
In my interest is that the programmer of Fruit is mentioned if others used his sources.

For me is Rebel = Rebel = the sources by the programmer of Rebel.
For me is CSTal = CSTal = the sources by the programmer of Chess-System-Tal.

It seems that is wrong, right?

Best
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

That would mean ...

Programmer A created the sources and the name of the program is for an example: Lisa (in this case Chess-System-Tal).
Programmer B used the sources and created the neural network file only and give the program the name: Elisabeth (in this case Rebel).
Later, the same program have different names but are changed in neural network file only. The sources from Elisabeth are in versions before not from Programmer A "Lisa" ... the sources are from programmer C with the name "Betti". Betti based on sources with the name "Lissi".

So, Elisabeth version x based on Betti, Betti based on Lissi and Elisabeth version y based on Lisa. Later in development the NN file from Lisa only is new, the engine is Elisabeth. Lisa and Elisabeth are later in development the same engines, changed only in NN file. Versions before based on Betti. But sources based on Betti are not available in all of the Elisabeth downloads.

In my humble opinion ...
If the sources are from Chris Whittington, the NN file is changed, the name of the engine should not have another name.
Or people like me, like to test this or that are testing in reality a neural-network file only and thinking the program is different, because the name of the program is different.

But that is my opinion only, not important!
If the programmers like to make it complicated, in 5 years we have a lot of solve puzzles.

[Rebel]

First things first Frank, you falsely accused Chris and me, taking a GPL source code and call it our own, that's libel.

Do you take it back or not.