I toast to LeelaqueenOdds and its creators. I raise my wine glass high and shout: Long live the queen. We have a queen!!

[Father]

The only way I can think of for now for me to aspire to occupy top spots on the LeelaQueenOdds robot leaderboard would be for the robot to acquire new strengths that make it much more lethal. I'd like to ask something: Can LeelaQueenOdds substantially increase its playing strength against the best in the bullet leaderboard to the point of hitting them really hard and strong? If so, I believe it would benefit me greatly. Thanks again.]

LeelaQueenOdds was upgraded late night Aug. 18 to a new neural net, trained by @Ira_Jed, based on 350,000 queen odds games against human-simulating bots, much more than ever before used. My testing showed it to perform 73 elo better giving queen odds than the net previously used. Results vs humans do already seem better. We'll have to see if the improvement is enough to make a difference against the superstar players who top the Leaderboard. LeelaPieceOdds was upgraded this morning to use this same net for all the odds of queen plus anything, as testing showed that it improved over the previously used net by a substantial margin in most cases. It was also upgraded to use the same new search (by Lucario6607) as the other bots are now using, which boosted them all by forty to fifty elo. I was hoping that the new net would also be better at queen for knight odds, but testing did not prove that to be so, so no change to that bot.

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information. I would like to ask you, given the current strength of the four robots in FIDE ratings, what would you believe the tentative FIDE rating of the four robots could be in time controls of: 3 plus 2; 3-0; 1 plus 1; 1-0; 5-0; 10-0; 20-0, and in the regulatory FIDE time used in official tournaments for the World Human Championship. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Note: Personally, I have noticed, since yesterday and today, that the robots Knight and Queen are stronger. I don't know if it's just my imagination, but that's my perception. Taking a simple draw against LeelaKnight is costing me a lot of difficulty, even though I vary my positions.

Well, as I said LeelaQueenOdds did receive a major upgrade late on Aug 18, so it's not surprising you see a difference. Just a few hours ago the LeelaPieceOdds bot was upgraded across the board; the new search was added, and all the multi-piece handicaps were given new nets and settings, in some cases with a massive gain in strength (mostly at the huge handicaps). Knight odds and Rook odds still use the same net as they did at the end of 2024, but they do use the new search which might be a 50 elo boost, so that is probably what you are observing at knight odds. The switch to a 5090 and to using onnx-trt back in June also boosted all the bots, settings have been refined, and the opening books are updated often. These things add up, and results just keep getting better. It's too soon to know the full effect of these recent changes. Probably LeelaQueenOdds is around FIDE 2400 now at 3'2", meaning that is the rating needed to break even. But note that doesn't mean it could get a 2400 rating against much lower rated players if they play for a draw (as you do), because Leela isn't programmed to avoid draws unless you have made a significant error, she assumes you are strong enough to score 50% at the odds. Not enough data for LeelaQueenforKnight to be very precise, probably adding 300 to the queen odds rating is about right. Leela rook odds is clearly above human level at 3'2", perhaps about 2950 FIDE now. Leela Knight odds is perhaps 3100 FIDE at 3'2" blitz if playing against 2800 rated players. But if it had to play FIDE 2000s every game, and they all played for draws, it might only get 2400 or so. Perhaps the best way to think of these estimated ratings is to imagine that all games were played with a rule that in the event of a draw, the game would be replayed until someone won, with the draws not counting (19th century rules!). As for other time limits, the adjustments I gave a few months ago should be the same. At classical time limits, we only know that we performed about 2425 FIDE at knight odds vs Joel Benjamin in January, but improvements are enough that I believe we would do better than that today even at rook odds, much better at knight, so maybe 2450 FIDE at rook, 2600 at knight. Perhaps 1900 at queen?

[pgn][Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/CVB8Vayl"]
[Date "2025.08.22"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaKnightOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "CVB8Vayl"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.22"]
[UTCTime "14:50:44"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 e6 2. f4 Nf6 3. e3 c5 4. Nf3 a6 5. c3 Qc7 6. Bd3 b5 7. Qe2 Bb7 8. O-O Be7 9. a3 c4 10. Bc2 O-O 11. Nbd2 d5 12. g3 a5 13. h4 Ne8 14. Rf2 b4 15. Rg2 Nd6 16. g4 f6 17. g5 f5 18. h5 b3 19. Bd1 Rfb8 20. h6 g6 21. Nb1 Bc6 22. Kh1 a4 23. Kg1 Ne4 24. Kh1 Bd6 25. Kg1 Be7 26. Kh1 Nd6 27. Kg1 Nb5 28. Kh1 Bd6 29. Kg1 Qe7 30. Kh1 Rb7 31. Kg1 Be8 32. Kh1 Rab8 33. Kg1 Bc7 34. Kh1 Ba5 35. Kg1 Nd6 36. Qe1 Nb5 37. Kh1 Nd6 38. Kg1 Rc8 39. Kh1 Rcb8 40. Kg1 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[Father]

The only way I can think of for now for me to aspire to occupy top spots on the LeelaQueenOdds robot leaderboard would be for the robot to acquire new strengths that make it much more lethal. I'd like to ask something: Can LeelaQueenOdds substantially increase its playing strength against the best in the bullet leaderboard to the point of hitting them really hard and strong? If so, I believe it would benefit me greatly. Thanks again.]

LeelaQueenOdds was upgraded late night Aug. 18 to a new neural net, trained by @Ira_Jed, based on 350,000 queen odds games against human-simulating bots, much more than ever before used. My testing showed it to perform 73 elo better giving queen odds than the net previously used. Results vs humans do already seem better. We'll have to see if the improvement is enough to make a difference against the superstar players who top the Leaderboard. LeelaPieceOdds was upgraded this morning to use this same net for all the odds of queen plus anything, as testing showed that it improved over the previously used net by a substantial margin in most cases. It was also upgraded to use the same new search (by Lucario6607) as the other bots are now using, which boosted them all by forty to fifty elo. I was hoping that the new net would also be better at queen for knight odds, but testing did not prove that to be so, so no change to that bot.

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information. I would like to ask you, given the current strength of the four robots in FIDE ratings, what would you believe the tentative FIDE rating of the four robots could be in time controls of: 3 plus 2; 3-0; 1 plus 1; 1-0; 5-0; 10-0; 20-0, and in the regulatory FIDE time used in official tournaments for the World Human Championship. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Note: Personally, I have noticed, since yesterday and today, that the robots Knight and Queen are stronger. I don't know if it's just my imagination, but that's my perception. Taking a simple draw against LeelaKnight is costing me a lot of difficulty, even though I vary my positions.

Well, as I said LeelaQueenOdds did receive a major upgrade late on Aug 18, so it's not surprising you see a difference. Just a few hours ago the LeelaPieceOdds bot was upgraded across the board; the new search was added, and all the multi-piece handicaps were given new nets and settings, in some cases with a massive gain in strength (mostly at the huge handicaps). Knight odds and Rook odds still use the same net as they did at the end of 2024, but they do use the new search which might be a 50 elo boost, so that is probably what you are observing at knight odds. The switch to a 5090 and to using onnx-trt back in June also boosted all the bots, settings have been refined, and the opening books are updated often. These things add up, and results just keep getting better. It's too soon to know the full effect of these recent changes. Probably LeelaQueenOdds is around FIDE 2400 now at 3'2", meaning that is the rating needed to break even. But note that doesn't mean it could get a 2400 rating against much lower rated players if they play for a draw (as you do), because Leela isn't programmed to avoid draws unless you have made a significant error, she assumes you are strong enough to score 50% at the odds. Not enough data for LeelaQueenforKnight to be very precise, probably adding 300 to the queen odds rating is about right. Leela rook odds is clearly above human level at 3'2", perhaps about 2950 FIDE now. Leela Knight odds is perhaps 3100 FIDE at 3'2" blitz if playing against 2800 rated players. But if it had to play FIDE 2000s every game, and they all played for draws, it might only get 2400 or so. Perhaps the best way to think of these estimated ratings is to imagine that all games were played with a rule that in the event of a draw, the game would be replayed until someone won, with the draws not counting (19th century rules!). As for other time limits, the adjustments I gave a few months ago should be the same. At classical time limits, we only know that we performed about 2425 FIDE at knight odds vs Joel Benjamin in January, but improvements are enough that I believe we would do better than that today even at rook odds, much better at knight, so maybe 2450 FIDE at rook, 2600 at knight. Perhaps 1900 at queen?

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman. In my own experience, I've observed, and above all, "perceived," a marvelous development in robots. I've learned to stay calm and maintain my composure during one-minute games against robots, allowing me to make quick, in-depth strategic analyses. What I don't understand is why it's not possible for me to achieve a 100% draw against LeelaQueenOdds. Not only is that not the case, but the computer often traps me. LeelaQueeOddds is truly very strong, and the difficulty of achieving a draw requires me to use all my strength. All these robots are marvels of the human soul. Congratulations.

[Father]

The only way I can think of for now for me to aspire to occupy top spots on the LeelaQueenOdds robot leaderboard would be for the robot to acquire new strengths that make it much more lethal. I'd like to ask something: Can LeelaQueenOdds substantially increase its playing strength against the best in the bullet leaderboard to the point of hitting them really hard and strong? If so, I believe it would benefit me greatly. Thanks again.]

LeelaQueenOdds was upgraded late night Aug. 18 to a new neural net, trained by @Ira_Jed, based on 350,000 queen odds games against human-simulating bots, much more than ever before used. My testing showed it to perform 73 elo better giving queen odds than the net previously used. Results vs humans do already seem better. We'll have to see if the improvement is enough to make a difference against the superstar players who top the Leaderboard. LeelaPieceOdds was upgraded this morning to use this same net for all the odds of queen plus anything, as testing showed that it improved over the previously used net by a substantial margin in most cases. It was also upgraded to use the same new search (by Lucario6607) as the other bots are now using, which boosted them all by forty to fifty elo. I was hoping that the new net would also be better at queen for knight odds, but testing did not prove that to be so, so no change to that bot.

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information. I would like to ask you, given the current strength of the four robots in FIDE ratings, what would you believe the tentative FIDE rating of the four robots could be in time controls of: 3 plus 2; 3-0; 1 plus 1; 1-0; 5-0; 10-0; 20-0, and in the regulatory FIDE time used in official tournaments for the World Human Championship. Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. Note: Personally, I have noticed, since yesterday and today, that the robots Knight and Queen are stronger. I don't know if it's just my imagination, but that's my perception. Taking a simple draw against LeelaKnight is costing me a lot of difficulty, even though I vary my positions.

Well, as I said LeelaQueenOdds did receive a major upgrade late on Aug 18, so it's not surprising you see a difference. Just a few hours ago the LeelaPieceOdds bot was upgraded across the board; the new search was added, and all the multi-piece handicaps were given new nets and settings, in some cases with a massive gain in strength (mostly at the huge handicaps). Knight odds and Rook odds still use the same net as they did at the end of 2024, but they do use the new search which might be a 50 elo boost, so that is probably what you are observing at knight odds. The switch to a 5090 and to using onnx-trt back in June also boosted all the bots, settings have been refined, and the opening books are updated often. These things add up, and results just keep getting better. It's too soon to know the full effect of these recent changes. Probably LeelaQueenOdds is around FIDE 2400 now at 3'2", meaning that is the rating needed to break even. But note that doesn't mean it could get a 2400 rating against much lower rated players if they play for a draw (as you do), because Leela isn't programmed to avoid draws unless you have made a significant error, she assumes you are strong enough to score 50% at the odds. Not enough data for LeelaQueenforKnight to be very precise, probably adding 300 to the queen odds rating is about right. Leela rook odds is clearly above human level at 3'2", perhaps about 2950 FIDE now. Leela Knight odds is perhaps 3100 FIDE at 3'2" blitz if playing against 2800 rated players. But if it had to play FIDE 2000s every game, and they all played for draws, it might only get 2400 or so. Perhaps the best way to think of these estimated ratings is to imagine that all games were played with a rule that in the event of a draw, the game would be replayed until someone won, with the draws not counting (19th century rules!). As for other time limits, the adjustments I gave a few months ago should be the same. At classical time limits, we only know that we performed about 2425 FIDE at knight odds vs Joel Benjamin in January, but improvements are enough that I believe we would do better than that today even at rook odds, much better at knight, so maybe 2450 FIDE at rook, 2600 at knight. Perhaps 1900 at queen?

** LeelaKnight is truly very strong, and the difficulty of achieving a draw requires me to use all my strength. All these robots are marvels of the human soul. Congratulations.

[M ANSARI]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

I am actually playing a lot of games against the QueensOdds bot and find it quite challenging even at 5min +3s. I find it really annoying how it can avoid exchanges and still somehow manage to keep pieces in positionally viable! I do feel that it plays incredibly inconsistent in strength and that would be the main thing I find that should be fixed. I have a feeling that sometimes it is playing with hardware shared with many players. I have recently upgraded my computer and it has the Ultra i9 285 processor and an RTX 5080 card. Is there a way to create my own bot to play with at home. I know that the bot uses a 5090 card but I think that maybe a non shared 5080 would play stronger maybe? I decided not to get the 5090 as it has a huge thermal and voltage footprint and would need active cooling which could end up being noisy.

[lkaufman]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

I am actually playing a lot of games against the QueensOdds bot and find it quite challenging even at 5min +3s. I find it really annoying how it can avoid exchanges and still somehow manage to keep pieces in positionally viable! I do feel that it plays incredibly inconsistent in strength and that would be the main thing I find that should be fixed. I have a feeling that sometimes it is playing with hardware shared with many players. I have recently upgraded my computer and it has the Ultra i9 285 processor and an RTX 5080 card. Is there a way to create my own bot to play with at home. I know that the bot uses a 5090 card but I think that maybe a non shared 5080 would play stronger maybe? I decided not to get the 5090 as it has a huge thermal and voltage footprint and would need active cooling which could end up being noisy.

The new net in the bot is not currently publicly available, but the one that was used until about a month ago is available, and it wasn't too much weaker. So you could make your own bot. The queen odds bot is on a 4090, the other four bots are on the 5090. The sharing among all the LQO players should not affect the moves played at 5'3", only the time it takes to make the move, because LQO currently has a 20k node limit which should be easily reached at that time control even with 12 players playing at once. Going beyond 20k nodes is not helpful with the current bot, perhaps that may be different soon. So for now playing on your own hardware wouldn't do much other than speed up the bot, which reduces your own ponder time. As for inconsistency, it would be nice to fix this, but it may simply be due to the bot having to "guess" what the human is capable of seeing, which is not easy to do! But I think some things we are working on will at least help somewhat.

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman, gentlemen of the Leela Bots team, and Mr. Lichess. I hope you are all well and continue to do well. I wish the best for all of you and for each and every one of you. I also hope that these notes and words reach you, as well as chess enthusiasts and players, and especially those who love challenges against chess computers. Today I want to propose an idea; it is this: "Design some type of monthly open tournament or competition for each of the bots, where humans have the opportunity to play only against the bots and obtain a spot in the competition. This will increase the popularity of the bots and the incentives of the humans; it would also be reflected in the Elo within the bots' table."Sincerely, Pablo

[pgn]Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/gfQneK8p"]
[Date "2025.08.14"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "gfQneK8p"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.14"]
[UTCTime "03:55:33"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 b6 2. f4 Bb7 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 h6 5. c3 g5 6. Bd3 g4 7. Nfd2 Bxg2 8. Rg1 Bb7 9. Qxg4 Nf6 10. Qe2 Nc6 11. Nf3 h5 12. Nbd2 Ng8 13. Nf1 f5 14. Bd2 Nf6 15. Ba6 Bxa6 16. Qxa6 Rb8 17. Qe2 Bg7 18. Rxg7 Kf8 19. Rg2 h4 20. h3 Ne7 21. Kf2 Ne4+ 22. Kg1 Nd5 23. Be1 Ke7 24. N1d2 Ng3 25. Bxg3 hxg3 26. Rxg3 Rbg8 27. Rxg8 Rxg8+ 28. Kh2 Nf6 29. Rg1 Rh8 30. Rg7+ Kf8 31. Qg2 Ng4+ 32. Rxg4 fxg4 33. Qxg4 Rg8 34. Qxg8+ Kxg8 35. Kg3 Kg7 36. Kg4 Kf6 37. h4 Kg6 38. h5+ Kh6 39. Nh4 a5 40. Ndf3 a4 41. a3 c5 42. Ne5 cxd4 43. exd4 d6 44. Nd7 b5 45. Nb6 Kg7 46. Kg5 Kf7 47. h6 Kg8 48. Ng6 b4 49. axb4 a3 50. bxa3 d5 51. h7+ Kxh7 52. Kf6 Kh6 53. Kxe6 Kxg6 54. Kxd5 Kf5 55. a4 Kxf4 56. a5 Ke3 57. c4 Kd3 58. c5 Ke3 59. c6 Kd3 60. c7 Ke3 61. c8=Q Kd3 62. Qc4+ Ke3 63. a6 Kf4 64. a7 Ke3 65. a8=Q Kf4 66. Qf8+ Kg3 67. Qd3+ Kh4 68. Qh7+ Kg3 69. Qhg7+ Kh4 70. Qfh8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[pgn][/pgn][/pgn]

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2026.04.15"]
[White "Me"]
[Black "Average"]
[Result "*"]
[Round "?"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.a3 Bg4 6.Be2 Bf5 7.Bd3 Bxd3 8.Qxd3 Qb6 9.b4 c4 10.Qc2 Qd8 11.a4 h6 12.Nf3 e6 13.O-O Ne7 14.Ra2 a5 15.b5 Nf5 16.Re1 Rg8 17.Ba3 Qc7 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 19.Re2 Re8 20.g3 g5 21.Nbd2 Nd6 22.Nf1 Nde4 23.N3d2 Nxd2 24.Qxd2 Ne4 25.Qc2 f5 26.Rg2 Nd6 27.Nd2 Ra8 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Ne5 Qe7 30.Nf3 h5 31.Ne5 h4 32.Nf3 gxf4 33.exf4 h3 34.Re2 Rg7 35.Nd2 Qd6 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Kh1 Qe7 38.Re3 b6 39.Qc1 Kf7 40.Qa3 Qxa3 41.Rxa3 Rag8 42.Ra1 Rg4 43.Rae1 Rc8 44.Rd1 Kf6 45.Rd2 Kf5 46.Rd1 Rf8 47.Rd2 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rg8 49.Rd2 Rc8 50.Rd1 Rff8 51.Rd2 Ra8 52.Rd1 Kg4 53.Rd2 Ra7 54.Rd1 Rg7 55.Rd2 Rg6 56.Rd1 Rfg8 57.Rd2 Rb8 58.Rd1 Kf5 59.Rd2 Rg4 60.Rd1 Rg6 61.Rd2 Ra8 62.Rd1 Rg4 63.Rd2 Rgg8 64.Rd1 Rg4 65.Rd2 Rgg8 66.Rd1 Rad8 67.Rd2 Rh8 68.Rd1 Rdg8 69.Rd2 Rg4 70.Rd1 Rb8 71.Rd2 Rh8 72.Rd1 Ra8 *

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman, gentlemen of the Leela Bots team, and Mr. Lichess. I hope you are all well and continue to do well. I wish the best for all of you and for each and every one of you. I also hope that these notes and words reach you, as well as chess enthusiasts and players, and especially those who love challenges against chess computers. Today I want to propose an idea; it is this: "Design some type of monthly open tournament or competition for each of the bots, where humans have the opportunity to play only against the bots and obtain a spot in the competition. This will increase the popularity of the bots and the incentives of the humans; it would also be reflected in the Elo within the bots' table."Sincerely, Pablo

[pgn]Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/gfQneK8p"]
[Date "2025.08.14"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "gfQneK8p"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.14"]
[UTCTime "03:55:33"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 b6 2. f4 Bb7 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 h6 5. c3 g5 6. Bd3 g4 7. Nfd2 Bxg2 8. Rg1 Bb7 9. Qxg4 Nf6 10. Qe2 Nc6 11. Nf3 h5 12. Nbd2 Ng8 13. Nf1 f5 14. Bd2 Nf6 15. Ba6 Bxa6 16. Qxa6 Rb8 17. Qe2 Bg7 18. Rxg7 Kf8 19. Rg2 h4 20. h3 Ne7 21. Kf2 Ne4+ 22. Kg1 Nd5 23. Be1 Ke7 24. N1d2 Ng3 25. Bxg3 hxg3 26. Rxg3 Rbg8 27. Rxg8 Rxg8+ 28. Kh2 Nf6 29. Rg1 Rh8 30. Rg7+ Kf8 31. Qg2 Ng4+ 32. Rxg4 fxg4 33. Qxg4 Rg8 34. Qxg8+ Kxg8 35. Kg3 Kg7 36. Kg4 Kf6 37. h4 Kg6 38. h5+ Kh6 39. Nh4 a5 40. Ndf3 a4 41. a3 c5 42. Ne5 cxd4 43. exd4 d6 44. Nd7 b5 45. Nb6 Kg7 46. Kg5 Kf7 47. h6 Kg8 48. Ng6 b4 49. axb4 a3 50. bxa3 d5 51. h7+ Kxh7 52. Kf6 Kh6 53. Kxe6 Kxg6 54. Kxd5 Kf5 55. a4 Kxf4 56. a5 Ke3 57. c4 Kd3 58. c5 Ke3 59. c6 Kd3 60. c7 Ke3 61. c8=Q Kd3 62. Qc4+ Ke3 63. a6 Kf4 64. a7 Ke3 65. a8=Q Kf4 66. Qf8+ Kg3 67. Qd3+ Kh4 68. Qh7+ Kg3 69. Qhg7+ Kh4 70. Qfh8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[pgn][/pgn][/pgn]

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2026.04.15"]
[White "Me"]
[Black "Average"]
[Result "*"]
[Round "?"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.a3 Bg4 6.Be2 Bf5 7.Bd3 Bxd3 8.Qxd3 Qb6 9.b4 c4 10.Qc2 Qd8 11.a4 h6 12.Nf3 e6 13.O-O Ne7 14.Ra2 a5 15.b5 Nf5 16.Re1 Rg8 17.Ba3 Qc7 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 19.Re2 Re8 20.g3 g5 21.Nbd2 Nd6 22.Nf1 Nde4 23.N3d2 Nxd2 24.Qxd2 Ne4 25.Qc2 f5 26.Rg2 Nd6 27.Nd2 Ra8 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Ne5 Qe7 30.Nf3 h5 31.Ne5 h4 32.Nf3 gxf4 33.exf4 h3 34.Re2 Rg7 35.Nd2 Qd6 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Kh1 Qe7 38.Re3 b6 39.Qc1 Kf7 40.Qa3 Qxa3 41.Rxa3 Rag8 42.Ra1 Rg4 43.Rae1 Rc8 44.Rd1 Kf6 45.Rd2 Kf5 46.Rd1 Rf8 47.Rd2 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rg8 49.Rd2 Rc8 50.Rd1 Rff8 51.Rd2 Ra8 52.Rd1 Kg4 53.Rd2 Ra7 54.Rd1 Rg7 55.Rd2 Rg6 56.Rd1 Rfg8 57.Rd2 Rb8 58.Rd1 Kf5 59.Rd2 Rg4 60.Rd1 Rg6 61.Rd2 Ra8 62.Rd1 Rg4 63.Rd2 Rgg8 64.Rd1 Rg4 65.Rd2 Rgg8 66.Rd1 Rad8 67.Rd2 Rh8 68.Rd1 Rdg8 69.Rd2 Rg4 70.Rd1 Rb8 71.Rd2 Rh8 72.Rd1 Ra8 *

[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2026.04.15"]
[White "Me"]
[Black "Average"]
[Result "*"]
[Round "?"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.a3 Bg4 6.Be2 Bf5 7.Bd3 Bxd3 8.Qxd3 Qb6 9.b4 c4 10.Qc2 Qd8 11.a4 h6 12.Nf3 e6 13.O-O Ne7 14.Ra2 a5 15.b5 Nf5 16.Re1 Rg8 17.Ba3 Qc7 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 19.Re2 Re8 20.g3 g5 21.Nbd2 Nd6 22.Nf1 Nde4 23.N3d2 Nxd2 24.Qxd2 Ne4 25.Qc2 f5 26.Rg2 Nd6 27.Nd2 Ra8 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Ne5 Qe7 30.Nf3 h5 31.Ne5 h4 32.Nf3 gxf4 33.exf4 h3 34.Re2 Rg7 35.Nd2 Qd6 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Kh1 Qe7 38.Re3 b6 39.Qc1 Kf7 40.Qa3 Qxa3 41.Rxa3 Rag8 42.Ra1 Rg4 43.Rae1 Rc8 44.Rd1 Kf6 45.Rd2 Kf5 46.Rd1 Rf8 47.Rd2 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rg8 49.Rd2 Rc8 50.Rd1 Rff8 51.Rd2 Ra8 52.Rd1 Kg4 53.Rd2 Ra7 54.Rd1 Rg7 55.Rd2 Rg6 56.Rd1 Rfg8 57.Rd2 Rb8 58.Rd1 Kf5 59.Rd2 Rg4 60.Rd1 Rg6 61.Rd2 Ra8 62.Rd1 Rg4 63.Rd2 Rgg8 64.Rd1 Rg4 65.Rd2 Rgg8 66.Rd1 Rad8 67.Rd2 Rh8 68.Rd1 Rdg8 69.Rd2 Rg4 70.Rd1 Rb8 71.Rd2 Rh8 72.Rd1 Ra8 *

[/pgn]

[Father]

I see that I did not find instructions how to download leelaqueen odds in discord.

searching in google lead me to the following link and I am not sure if it is the LeelaQueenOdds or some old version

https://github.com/notune/LeelaQueenOdds

I see release date is 13.11.2024

Yes, that is the net used by LeelaQueenOdds from last November up until one day ago. We upgraded (?) to a new net also trained for queen odds, by "@Ira_Jed and @Lucario6607. It's not yet clear that it is stronger, but I think on balance the evidence suggests that it is a bit stronger against both human-like bots and against actual humans. Right after the switch, it played four blitz (3'0") games against GM Jaan Ehlvest, who was World number 5 about 35 years ago and is still, at age 63, rated well over the GM threshold at 2532 FIDE. Leela won three and lost one. No games decided by time, but Ehlvest did move a bit faster than necessary for a 3' game, more as if they were 2' games. He said that he thinks this was the main reason for his loss, but even so winning a blitz match at queen odds from a former top-five player indicates that the new net is not bad! By a curious coincidence, Ehlvest is the strongest player I ever defeated in a tournament game, around 1996 I believe, in the World Open.

Good evening, Mr. Larry Kaufman, gentlemen of the Leela Bots team, and Mr. Lichess. I hope you are all well and continue to do well. I wish the best for all of you and for each and every one of you. I also hope that these notes and words reach you, as well as chess enthusiasts and players, and especially those who love challenges against chess computers. Today I want to propose an idea; it is this: "Design some type of monthly open tournament or competition for each of the bots, where humans have the opportunity to play only against the bots and obtain a spot in the competition. This will increase the popularity of the bots and the incentives of the humans; it would also be reflected in the Elo within the bots' table."Sincerely, Pablo

[pgn]Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/gfQneK8p"]
[Date "2025.08.14"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "gfQneK8p"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.14"]
[UTCTime "03:55:33"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 b6 2. f4 Bb7 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 h6 5. c3 g5 6. Bd3 g4 7. Nfd2 Bxg2 8. Rg1 Bb7 9. Qxg4 Nf6 10. Qe2 Nc6 11. Nf3 h5 12. Nbd2 Ng8 13. Nf1 f5 14. Bd2 Nf6 15. Ba6 Bxa6 16. Qxa6 Rb8 17. Qe2 Bg7 18. Rxg7 Kf8 19. Rg2 h4 20. h3 Ne7 21. Kf2 Ne4+ 22. Kg1 Nd5 23. Be1 Ke7 24. N1d2 Ng3 25. Bxg3 hxg3 26. Rxg3 Rbg8 27. Rxg8 Rxg8+ 28. Kh2 Nf6 29. Rg1 Rh8 30. Rg7+ Kf8 31. Qg2 Ng4+ 32. Rxg4 fxg4 33. Qxg4 Rg8 34. Qxg8+ Kxg8 35. Kg3 Kg7 36. Kg4 Kf6 37. h4 Kg6 38. h5+ Kh6 39. Nh4 a5 40. Ndf3 a4 41. a3 c5 42. Ne5 cxd4 43. exd4 d6 44. Nd7 b5 45. Nb6 Kg7 46. Kg5 Kf7 47. h6 Kg8 48. Ng6 b4 49. axb4 a3 50. bxa3 d5 51. h7+ Kxh7 52. Kf6 Kh6 53. Kxe6 Kxg6 54. Kxd5 Kf5 55. a4 Kxf4 56. a5 Ke3 57. c4 Kd3 58. c5 Ke3 59. c6 Kd3 60. c7 Ke3 61. c8=Q Kd3 62. Qc4+ Ke3 63. a6 Kf4 64. a7 Ke3 65. a8=Q Kf4 66. Qf8+ Kg3 67. Qd3+ Kh4 68. Qh7+ Kg3 69. Qhg7+ Kh4 70. Qfh8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[pgn][/pgn][/pgn]

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2026.04.15"]
[White "Me"]
[Black "Average"]
[Result "*"]
[Round "?"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.a3 Bg4 6.Be2 Bf5 7.Bd3 Bxd3 8.Qxd3 Qb6 9.b4 c4 10.Qc2 Qd8 11.a4 h6 12.Nf3 e6 13.O-O Ne7 14.Ra2 a5 15.b5 Nf5 16.Re1 Rg8 17.Ba3 Qc7 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 19.Re2 Re8 20.g3 g5 21.Nbd2 Nd6 22.Nf1 Nde4 23.N3d2 Nxd2 24.Qxd2 Ne4 25.Qc2 f5 26.Rg2 Nd6 27.Nd2 Ra8 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Ne5 Qe7 30.Nf3 h5 31.Ne5 h4 32.Nf3 gxf4 33.exf4 h3 34.Re2 Rg7 35.Nd2 Qd6 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Kh1 Qe7 38.Re3 b6 39.Qc1 Kf7 40.Qa3 Qxa3 41.Rxa3 Rag8 42.Ra1 Rg4 43.Rae1 Rc8 44.Rd1 Kf6 45.Rd2 Kf5 46.Rd1 Rf8 47.Rd2 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rg8 49.Rd2 Rc8 50.Rd1 Rff8 51.Rd2 Ra8 52.Rd1 Kg4 53.Rd2 Ra7 54.Rd1 Rg7 55.Rd2 Rg6 56.Rd1 Rfg8 57.Rd2 Rb8 58.Rd1 Kf5 59.Rd2 Rg4 60.Rd1 Rg6 61.Rd2 Ra8 62.Rd1 Rg4 63.Rd2 Rgg8 64.Rd1 Rg4 65.Rd2 Rgg8 66.Rd1 Rad8 67.Rd2 Rh8 68.Rd1 Rdg8 69.Rd2 Rg4 70.Rd1 Rb8 71.Rd2 Rh8 72.Rd1 Ra8 *

[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2026.04.15"]
[White "Me"]
[Black "Average"]
[Result "*"]
[Round "?"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.f4 d5 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.a3 Bg4 6.Be2 Bf5 7.Bd3 Bxd3 8.Qxd3 Qb6 9.b4 c4 10.Qc2 Qd8 11.a4 h6 12.Nf3 e6 13.O-O Ne7 14.Ra2 a5 15.b5 Nf5 16.Re1 Rg8 17.Ba3 Qc7 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 19.Re2 Re8 20.g3 g5 21.Nbd2 Nd6 22.Nf1 Nde4 23.N3d2 Nxd2 24.Qxd2 Ne4 25.Qc2 f5 26.Rg2 Nd6 27.Nd2 Ra8 28.Nf3 Ne4 29.Ne5 Qe7 30.Nf3 h5 31.Ne5 h4 32.Nf3 gxf4 33.exf4 h3 34.Re2 Rg7 35.Nd2 Qd6 36.Nxe4 fxe4 37.Kh1 Qe7 38.Re3 b6 39.Qc1 Kf7 40.Qa3 Qxa3 41.Rxa3 Rag8 42.Ra1 Rg4 43.Rae1 Rc8 44.Rd1 Kf6 45.Rd2 Kf5 46.Rd1 Rf8 47.Rd2 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rg8 49.Rd2 Rc8 50.Rd1 Rff8 51.Rd2 Ra8 52.Rd1 Kg4 53.Rd2 Ra7 54.Rd1 Rg7 55.Rd2 Rg6 56.Rd1 Rfg8 57.Rd2 Rb8 58.Rd1 Kf5 59.Rd2 Rg4 60.Rd1 Rg6 61.Rd2 Ra8 62.Rd1 Rg4 63.Rd2 Rgg8 64.Rd1 Rg4 65.Rd2 Rgg8 66.Rd1 Rad8 67.Rd2 Rh8 68.Rd1 Rdg8 69.Rd2 Rg4 70.Rd1 Rb8 71.Rd2 Rh8 72.Rd1 Ra8 *

[/pgn]

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman.
I hope you are well and continue to be well.
I want to bring to your consideration the following game I played in the Playchess engine room a moment ago, against a computer operating at over 30 million calculations per second. Perhaps I would like to play again against chess machines operating at their maximum expression, because the love for chess surpasses the objectives of results, as it is in itself art, passion, and science.
I will always be grateful to you and the Leela team for allowing me to play against your cyber creations.
Thanks again.
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father
Grand-Father
Catecan

New Elo: 2424.
Sky II-avx2 (126 threads): 27.5 plies; 30.157kN/s AMD Ryzen
Threadripper 3990X 64-Core Processor 2900MHz, (64 cores, 128
threads)
Fórmula rechazada: Evaluada 5 min desde Yeko4141[Event "Partida evaluada, 5 min"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2026.04.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "Detlef Uter"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2424"]
[BlackElo "3565"]
[WhiteFideId "-1"]
[BlackFideId "-1"]
[PlyCount "78"]
[GameId "2300858465681501"]
[EventDate "2026.04.19"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {1} d5 {B 0} 2. f4 {2} Bf5 {B 0} 3. e3 {3} c5 {-0.65/39 54} 4. c3 {3 (b5+)} e6 {-0.92/28 3} 5. Nf3 {2} Bd6 {-0.88/27 36} 6. Bd3 {3 (e5)} Nf6 {-0.96/25 4} 7. O-O {2} Nc6 {-0.97/28 0} 8. Qc2 {2 (e5)} Bxd3 {-1.06/36 17} 9. Qxd3 {2} O-O {-1.07/33 10} 10. g3 {2} Ne7 {-1.00/33 19} 11. Nbd2 {3} Rc8 {-1.02/28 0} 12. Re1 {3 (f2)} Nf5 {-1.12/27 7} 13. Nf1 {2 (e2)} Be7 {-1.27/25 2} 14. Re2 {2} a5 {-1.25/48 21} 15. Bd2 {3} a4 {-1.24/38 9} 16. a3 {2 (e1)} Nd6 {-1.30/28 3} 17. Be1 {2} b5 {-1.31/24 0} 18. Rc2 {3 (d1)} g6 {-1.26/34 8} 19. Rac1 {4 (g2)} h5 {-1.31/30 8} 20. Rg2 {4} Kg7 {-1.33/27 0} 21. Rcc2 {2 (e2)} Nfe4 {-1.47/48 16} 22. N3d2 {3 (d1)} Rh8 {-1.48/27 3} 23. Nf3 {2 (e2)} f6 {-1.47/26 4} 24. Rce2 {6 (h3)} Qd7 {-1.61/25 2} 25. Qb1 {4 (g4)} g5 {-1.76/24 2} 26. Qd3 {2 (fxg5)} g4 {-2.40/21 1} 27. Nh4 {3 (3d2)} f5 {-2.73/16 3} 28. Rc2 {2} Nc4 {-2.55/18 1} 29. Qe2 {3 (ge2)} b4 {-3.07/21 1} 30. cxb4 {4} cxb4 {-3.52/25 0} 31. axb4 {12} Qb7 {-3.87/26 0} 32. Qd3 {38 (b5)} Bxb4 {-4.13/21 3} 33. Bxb4 {2 (b3)} Qxb4 {-4.34/16 1} 34. Qe2 {8 (c1)} Qb3 {-4.64/20 4} 35. Qe1 {27 (h3)} Ncd6 {-5.32/15 1} 36. Rxc8 {3 (c5)} Rxc8 {-6.26/17 1} 37. Qa5 {11 (h3)} Rc1 {-9.45/18 1} 38. Qa7+ {15 (f2)} Kf6 {-#7/71 1} 39. Qa6 {8} Nc4 {-#6/209 0 Catecan rinde (Lag: Av=0.69s, max=1.4s)} 0-1


Sky II-avx2 (126 threads): 31.3 plies; 28.212kN/s AMD Ryzen
Threadripper 3990X 64-Core Processor 2900MHz, (64 cores, 128 threads)
Fórmula rechazada: Evaluada 30m+10s desde Amonfritz
Catecan - Detlef Uter 0-2
New Elo: 2424.
Sky II-avx2 (126 threads): 33.6 plies; 31.289kN/s AMD Ryzen
Threadripper 3990X 64-Core Processor 2900MHz, (64 cores, 128
threads)

[pgn][Event "Partida evaluada, 5 min"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2026.04.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "Detlef Uter"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2424"]
[BlackElo "3565"]
[WhiteFideId "-1"]
[BlackFideId "-1"]
[PlyCount "78"]
[GameId "2300858465681501"]
[EventDate "2026.04.19"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {1} d5 {B 0} 2. f4 {2} Bf5 {B 0} 3. e3 {3} c5 {-0.65/39 54} 4. c3 {3 (b5+)} e6 {-0.92/28 3} 5. Nf3 {2} Bd6 {-0.88/27 36} 6. Bd3 {3 (e5)} Nf6 {-0.96/25 4} 7. O-O {2} Nc6 {-0.97/28 0} 8. Qc2 {2 (e5)} Bxd3 {-1.06/36 17} 9. Qxd3 {2} O-O {-1.07/33 10} 10. g3 {2} Ne7 {-1.00/33 19} 11. Nbd2 {3} Rc8 {-1.02/28 0} 12. Re1 {3 (f2)} Nf5 {-1.12/27 7} 13. Nf1 {2 (e2)} Be7 {-1.27/25 2} 14. Re2 {2} a5 {-1.25/48 21} 15. Bd2 {3} a4 {-1.24/38 9} 16. a3 {2 (e1)} Nd6 {-1.30/28 3} 17. Be1 {2} b5 {-1.31/24 0} 18. Rc2 {3 (d1)} g6 {-1.26/34 8} 19. Rac1 {4 (g2)} h5 {-1.31/30 8} 20. Rg2 {4} Kg7 {-1.33/27 0} 21. Rcc2 {2 (e2)} Nfe4 {-1.47/48 16} 22. N3d2 {3 (d1)} Rh8 {-1.48/27 3} 23. Nf3 {2 (e2)} f6 {-1.47/26 4} 24. Rce2 {6 (h3)} Qd7 {-1.61/25 2} 25. Qb1 {4 (g4)} g5 {-1.76/24 2} 26. Qd3 {2 (fxg5)} g4 {-2.40/21 1} 27. Nh4 {3 (3d2)} f5 {-2.73/16 3} 28. Rc2 {2} Nc4 {-2.55/18 1} 29. Qe2 {3 (ge2)} b4 {-3.07/21 1} 30. cxb4 {4} cxb4 {-3.52/25 0} 31. axb4 {12} Qb7 {-3.87/26 0} 32. Qd3 {38 (b5)} Bxb4 {-4.13/21 3} 33. Bxb4 {2 (b3)} Qxb4 {-4.34/16 1} 34. Qe2 {8 (c1)} Qb3 {-4.64/20 4} 35. Qe1 {27 (h3)} Ncd6 {-5.32/15 1} 36. Rxc8 {3 (c5)} Rxc8 {-6.26/17 1} 37. Qa5 {11 (h3)} Rc1 {-9.45/18 1} 38. Qa7+ {15 (f2)} Kf6 {-#7/71 1} 39. Qa6 {8} Nc4 {-#6/209 0 Catecan rinde (Lag: Av=0.69s, max=1.4s)} 0-1

[/pgn]

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