New Engines
. Patricia-5-xtremeEAS
. Latest Extreme-BETA version
. Finished the 3400 elo balanced openings playing style rating list.
. Started the 3400 elo UHO playing style rating list.
Next matches
CSTal 2.1 EAS
Patricia 3.01
Patricia 5 xtremeEAS
Patricia 5.0
Rebel Extreme
Patricia 4
Komodo 14.1 Aggressive
Velvet 8.1 Risky
Stockfish 17.1
Fritz 20
Rebel EAS 2.0
Each match playing 15.000 games.
To the list :
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel/pla ... ating-list
Playing Style Rating List
Moderator: Ras
-
Rebel
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm
- Full name: Ed Schröder
Playing Style Rating List
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
-
pohl4711
- Posts: 2862
- Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:25 am
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Full name: Stefan Pohl
Re: Playing Style Rating List
Good idea! From 3400 Celo and beyond, balanced openings are the wrong setup.
-
pohl4711
- Posts: 2862
- Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:25 am
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Full name: Stefan Pohl
Re: Playing Style Rating List
I downloaded your 195000 balanced games and my EAS-Tool says this.
The Extreme-Beta is especially impressive in the overall length of all won games: 4 moves less (52 instead of 56) than Patricia 5 xtremeEAS and 6 moves less (52 instead of 58) than Patricia 5 and Stockfish 17.1 (!)). That is a huge difference! And the older Rebels (Rebel Extreme (61 moves) and Rebel EAS 2.0 (63 moves)) are much, much worse here. So, a huge improvement here.
But the bad draws stat is still worse than any Patricia and clearly worse than Patricia 5 xtremeEAS. But the good news is, the bad draw stat is improving: Old Rebel EAS 2.0 has 12.33% bad draws, Rebel Extreme has 10.13% bad draws, Rebel Extreme 1.1 has 8.64% bad draws and finally the new Extreme-Beta has 7.39% bad draws. So, the bad draws stat is going into the right direction.
The Extreme-Beta is especially impressive in the overall length of all won games: 4 moves less (52 instead of 56) than Patricia 5 xtremeEAS and 6 moves less (52 instead of 58) than Patricia 5 and Stockfish 17.1 (!)). That is a huge difference! And the older Rebels (Rebel Extreme (61 moves) and Rebel EAS 2.0 (63 moves)) are much, much worse here. So, a huge improvement here.
But the bad draws stat is still worse than any Patricia and clearly worse than Patricia 5 xtremeEAS. But the good news is, the bad draw stat is improving: Old Rebel EAS 2.0 has 12.33% bad draws, Rebel Extreme has 10.13% bad draws, Rebel Extreme 1.1 has 8.64% bad draws and finally the new Extreme-Beta has 7.39% bad draws. So, the bad draws stat is going into the right direction.
Code: Select all
early bad avg.win
Rank EAS-Score sacs sacs shorts draws moves Engine/player
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 763865 52.90% 17.12% 55.12% 07.39% 52 Extreme-BETA
2 708041 57.80% 15.48% 44.48% 04.81% 56 Patricia-5-xtremeEAS
3 693464 50.67% 15.78% 52.81% 08.64% 53 Rebel-Extreme-1.1
4 656823 52.90% 16.94% 41.48% 04.65% 59 Patricia-3.01
5 601303 48.07% 16.58% 44.40% 07.86% 57 CSTal-2.1-EAS
6 581864 51.47% 15.93% 39.94% 06.42% 58 Patricia-5.0
7 560877 50.26% 13.85% 36.81% 03.39% 60 Patricia-4
8 418892 37.83% 13.61% 35.37% 10.13% 61 REBEL-EXTREME
9 376994 36.89% 12.06% 35.64% 10.59% 60 Komodo-14.1-Aggressive
10 365292 33.10% 13.06% 34.50% 10.41% 59 Velvet-8.1-Risky
11 300459 23.25% 12.41% 32.90% 12.08% 58 Stockfish-17.1
12 293744 26.80% 10.73% 29.63% 12.33% 63 Rebel-EAS-2.0
13 274804 22.08% 11.29% 31.42% 13.50% 59 Fritz-20
14 68826 01.67% 13.79% 18.34% 41.29% 67 Clover-3.3
15 55797 01.67% 07.69% 12.67% 34.02% 70 Koivisto-6.16
16 54789 02.78% 10.67% 12.43% 39.57% 73 Wasp-7.0
17 53915 01.64% 16.84% 12.58% 40.34% 68 Pawn-3.0
18 52326 01.46% 13.64% 13.85% 40.96% 67 Black-Marlin-8.0
19 50308 02.09% 10.92% 12.91% 41.51% 68 Seer-2.50
20 47709 01.95% 10.00% 11.20% 39.42% 78 Igel-3.30
21 44092 01.74% 20.41% 07.99% 40.38% 74 Halogen-12
22 35877 01.68% 12.05% 07.90% 37.16% 71 viridithas-9.0.0
23 34992 01.47% 19.23% 05.65% 40.64% 76 Altair-6.0
24 32223 01.88% 11.90% 08.90% 46.40% 76 Wasp-7.07
25 28093 01.59% 03.45% 09.21% 44.94% 71 Koivisto-6.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------
*** Average length of all won games: 64 moves
*** Movelimit for early sac bonus : 32 moves
Last edited by pohl4711 on Sun Jan 04, 2026 6:46 am, edited 2 times in total.
-
pohl4711
- Posts: 2862
- Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:25 am
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Full name: Stefan Pohl
Re: Playing Style Rating List
Here a nice win with a queen sacrifice by the new Extreme-Beta, found by my EAS-Tool:
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.12.30"]
[Round "775"]
[White "Extreme-BETA"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
[Variation "4.g3 Bb7"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[Annotator "EAS-Tool: Queen Sacrifice found in this game"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "74"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 c5 6. d5 exd5 7. cxd5 Bxd5 8.
Nc3 Bc6 9. e4 Nxe4 10. Nxe4 Bxe4 11. Qe2 Qe7 12. O-O Nc6 13. Bf4 Bf5 14.
Qb5 Qd8 15. Nh4 Nd4 16. Nxf5 Nxb5 17. Rae1+ Be7 18. Nxe7 Kf8 19. a4 Nc7 20.
Bd6 Ne8 21. Ng6+ Kg8 22. Rxe8+ Qxe8 23. Ne7+ Kf8 24. Re1 Rd8 25. g4 h5 26.
g5 h4 27. g6 Rh5 28. Bf1 fxg6 29. Bc4 Qf7 30. Nc6+ Kg8 31. Bxf7+ Kh7 32.
Nxd8 Rg5+ 33. Kf1 Rg4 34. Re8 g5 35. Bb3 b5 36. Bc2+ g6 37. Be5 Rg1+ 1-0
[/pgn]
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2025.12.30"]
[Round "775"]
[White "Extreme-BETA"]
[Black "Igel-3.30"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
[Variation "4.g3 Bb7"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]
[Annotator "EAS-Tool: Queen Sacrifice found in this game"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "74"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 c5 6. d5 exd5 7. cxd5 Bxd5 8.
Nc3 Bc6 9. e4 Nxe4 10. Nxe4 Bxe4 11. Qe2 Qe7 12. O-O Nc6 13. Bf4 Bf5 14.
Qb5 Qd8 15. Nh4 Nd4 16. Nxf5 Nxb5 17. Rae1+ Be7 18. Nxe7 Kf8 19. a4 Nc7 20.
Bd6 Ne8 21. Ng6+ Kg8 22. Rxe8+ Qxe8 23. Ne7+ Kf8 24. Re1 Rd8 25. g4 h5 26.
g5 h4 27. g6 Rh5 28. Bf1 fxg6 29. Bc4 Qf7 30. Nc6+ Kg8 31. Bxf7+ Kh7 32.
Nxd8 Rg5+ 33. Kf1 Rg4 34. Re8 g5 35. Bb3 b5 36. Bc2+ g6 37. Be5 Rg1+ 1-0
[/pgn]
-
pohl4711
- Posts: 2862
- Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:25 am
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Full name: Stefan Pohl
Re: Playing Style Rating List
Interesting:
Comparing the Top of my full UHO EAS Ratinglist (UHO openings, different opponents, games not adjudicated) to the EAS-list of the 195000 balanced games (adjudicated games).
I removed the engines, which are not included in the 195000 balanced games from my full EAS ratinglist, then the full EAS ratinglist looks like this
This is exactly the same ranking of these engines as in the EAS-list of the 195000 balanced games. Very remarkable, how reliable the EAS-Tool is, if the number of games is huge. Then, different openings or opponents or adjudication do not distord the results. Good news!
Comparing the Top of my full UHO EAS Ratinglist (UHO openings, different opponents, games not adjudicated) to the EAS-list of the 195000 balanced games (adjudicated games).
I removed the engines, which are not included in the 195000 balanced games from my full EAS ratinglist, then the full EAS ratinglist looks like this
Code: Select all
early bad avg.win
Rank EAS-Score sacs sacs shorts draws moves Engine/player
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 750655 57.26% 45.49% 44.36% 05.00% 66 Patricia 5 xtremeEAS
2 748559 52.40% 42.58% 49.75% 08.28% 65 Rebel Extreme 1.1
3 712625 51.61% 43.75% 41.43% 05.49% 66 Patricia 3.1 avx2
5 653831 50.65% 39.79% 41.13% 07.20% 68 CSTal 2.1 EAS
6 643722 50.79% 41.53% 42.61% 05.85% 67 Patricia 5.0 avx512
8 555597 46.96% 40.00% 34.95% 03.46% 70 Patricia 4.0 avx2
10 428179 37.88% 38.53% 28.30% 08.79% 75 Rebel Extreme avx2
11 381300 32.46% 39.90% 28.36% 09.25% 71 Velvet 8.1.0 risky
-
Rebel
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm
- Full name: Ed Schröder
Re: Playing Style Rating List
Not so, both are good, both are needed, balanced and UHO.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
-
Rebel
- Posts: 7445
- Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm
- Full name: Ed Schröder
Re: Playing Style Rating List
First 5 engines tested, 75.000 games.
Still 8 engines to go.
Meanwhile it's decided the beta version will be released within a couple of days as Chess System Tal Extreme.
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel/pla ... ating-list
Still 8 engines to go.
Meanwhile it's decided the beta version will be released within a couple of days as Chess System Tal Extreme.
https://rebel7775.wixsite.com/rebel/pla ... ating-list
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.