My UHO-Top15 Ratinglist is the world's first engine-ratinglist, using UHO-openings, and the world's first ratinglist offering additionally Gamepair-statistics.
Ratinglist-testrun of Torch 2 finished.
https://www.sp-cc.de
Also take a look at the EAS-Ratinglist, the world's first engine-ratinglist not measuring strength of engines but engines's style of play:
https://www.sp-cc.de/eas-ratinglist.htm
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SPCC: Testrun of Torch 2 finished
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pohl4711
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pohl4711
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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Torch 2 finished
Testrun of Torch 2 finished: +24 Elo to Torch 1 and nearly the same result than Torch 1 in the EAS Ratinglist (only 2750 EAS-points difference in the RoundRobin EAS-calculation = nearly nothing, so the new and bigger nnue-net of Torch 2 did not change the playing-style of Torch)
Comparison of 5 months of progress of Torch and Stockfish:
Middle of October 2023:
Torch 1: 3782 Elo, Stockfish 231015: 3825 Elo
Middle of March 2024:
Torch 2: 3806 Elo, Stockfish 240314: 3838 Elo
Stockfish gained +13 Elo, Torch gained +24 Elo in these 5 months. So, Torch was catching up 11 Elo in the last 5 months. To catch up the missing 32 Elo to Stockfish, Torch should need around 15 months from now (3 * 5 months)...if the speed of progress of Torch and Stockfish does not change...
Mention, the Elo-progress and the EAS-scoring of Torch 2 in the full ratinglist is a bit higher than the numbers provided here, because Torch 1 played a lot more games than Torch 2 in the full ratinglist, which drops Elo and EAS of Torch 1 a little bit...
Comparison of 5 months of progress of Torch and Stockfish:
Middle of October 2023:
Torch 1: 3782 Elo, Stockfish 231015: 3825 Elo
Middle of March 2024:
Torch 2: 3806 Elo, Stockfish 240314: 3838 Elo
Stockfish gained +13 Elo, Torch gained +24 Elo in these 5 months. So, Torch was catching up 11 Elo in the last 5 months. To catch up the missing 32 Elo to Stockfish, Torch should need around 15 months from now (3 * 5 months)...if the speed of progress of Torch and Stockfish does not change...
Mention, the Elo-progress and the EAS-scoring of Torch 2 in the full ratinglist is a bit higher than the numbers provided here, because Torch 1 played a lot more games than Torch 2 in the full ratinglist, which drops Elo and EAS of Torch 1 a little bit...
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pohl4711
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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Torch 2 finished
Here a nice win of Torch 2 vs. Stockfish 16.1 from my testrun. More cool games of my Torch 2-testrun can be found on my website:
https://www.sp-cc.de/view-games-with-sacs.htm
(I use the pgn-viewer by ChessBase: You have to switch off AdBlockers and activate Javascript in your browser, otherwise the pgn-viewer will not work)
In my testrun, the first 6 moves are from my UHO 2022 openings (white always has an advantage). Engines started thinking from move 7 of white. Game ended, because it was 5-piece Syzygy-position on the board.
https://www.sp-cc.de/view-games-with-sacs.htm
(I use the pgn-viewer by ChessBase: You have to switch off AdBlockers and activate Javascript in your browser, otherwise the pgn-viewer will not work)
In my testrun, the first 6 moves are from my UHO 2022 openings (white always has an advantage). Engines started thinking from move 7 of white. Game ended, because it was 5-piece Syzygy-position on the board.
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Modern Times
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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Torch 2 finished
+24 Elo, good result!
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pohl4711
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Re: SPCC: Testrun of Torch 2 finished
Yes, but from my tests, we can learn much more: The playing-style of Torch 2 is identical to Torch 1... Here the first 5 of my EAS-ratinglist, the old list, with Torch 1, and the new list, containing Torch 2. As you can see, not only the EAS-Score of Torch 1 and Torch 2 is nearly identical, but the single stats are nearly identical, too. So, the playing style of Torch 1 and 2 is definitly the same (but very different to the playing style of Stockfish (Stockfish plays way more sacrifices and plays much less drawish, but Torch plays a little bit more straightforward for the win))
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bad avg.win
Rank EAS-Score sacs shorts draws moves Engine/player
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1 200545 24.55% 24.25% 08.74% 70 Stockfish 16.1 240224
2 184199 23.79% 23.06% 09.08% 71 Stockfish 240314 avx2
3 154012 16.84% 25.58% 13.82% 69 Torch 1 popavx2
4 115165 17.44% 19.46% 15.38% 73 KomodoDragon 3.3 avx2
5 100235 16.21% 17.42% 16.16% 75 RubiChess 240112 avx2
bad avg.win
Rank EAS-Score sacs shorts draws moves Engine/player
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1 199635 24.45% 24.50% 08.87% 70 Stockfish 16.1 240224
2 184690 23.98% 23.34% 09.04% 71 Stockfish 240314 avx2
3 156760 17.21% 25.90% 12.45% 69 Torch 2 popavx2
4 118415 17.43% 19.53% 15.75% 72 KomodoDragon 3.3 avx2
5 100559 16.16% 17.61% 16.54% 75 RubiChess 240112 avx2