Dashpaad Revival and scope of AI in pure logical game

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Re: Dashpaad Revival and scope of AI in pure logical game

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shadyantra wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:09 am Live button has to be clicked twice. Game can be played betweeb two players.
Wouldn't that be a bit hard if neither of the players knows the rules? :roll:
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I can see the board and pieces, and for instance that a Knight can't jump over the pawns as it can in modern chess, so that I can deduce without knowing the rules, or that it seems the King at the bottom rank can for instance make a draw offer by moving two places to the right in one version, but I have not found a way to actually execute any move in the opening position.
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Eelco de Groot wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:01 pm I can see the board and pieces, and for instance that a Knight can't jump over the pawns as it can in modern chess, so that I can deduce without knowing the rules, or that it seems the King at the bottom rank can for instance make a draw offer by moving two places to the right in one version, but I have not found a way to actually execute any move in the opening position.
This game can be played between two players only.
All Pawns are resources and can move only when officers are touching in any 8 sides. Pawns can move and strike in any direction.
All officers can move 1 step only. To move multiple ateps as per their ranks, they need help from King, Minister, spy or General. For example, if any of these guys touch Knight then only it can jump.


Bishop is ranked 1, hence it can move upto 2 steps in any direction.
Knight is ranked 1 and intermediate, hence it can move upto 2 steps in any direction.
Rook is ranked 2 , hence it can jump upto 3 steps.
General is ranked 2 and intermediate, hence it can move upton3 steps and jump like horse.
Minister is ranked 3, hence it can move upto 4 steps.
King is ranked 3 and intermediate, hence it can move upto 4 steps and jump lik horse.

To move full steps, all pieces need power.

If King, Minister or General is dead or sleeping then army canot capture the opponent and becones weak.
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  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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hgm wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:20 pm
shadyantra wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:09 am Live button has to be clicked twice. Game can be played betweeb two players.
Wouldn't that be a bit hard if neither of the players knows the rules? :roll:
This game is based on poem and a folkore. I am yet yo find that poem.

It says, O King and Your Ministers, why are you drunken and sleeping in the Palance surrounded by serpents, the enemy is approaching , please wake up...

Same logic has to be made in this game. King and Minister are sleeping in the palace. Both of them now be awake to declare strike on opponent. Either general or the spy has to cross the border and enter the palace and help the king and minister to wake up. This is the race againts time.
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  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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Did anyone get to play the game.

I can discuss the game in Zoom Meetings if anyone wants on Saturdays and Sundays.
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  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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I thought someone will help in making a video which I can be put on youtube etc.

Or atleast guide me to get the video created.
I have presentations ready demo is 99% functional. Document is poorly buggy, which I last year gave someone to work on and he created confusing and duplicates statements.

My concern is to people to become liberal and soft approach towards ancient board game.
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  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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Dhyut means Trembling or Agitation of Resources..

Mahabharat clearly mentions Dhyut or Dhoot in it. It can also be played with dice when there are multiple players.

Added the Youtube videos in Hindi. Anyone is free to translate in English. Writers are welcome to write a pdf or book for public domain.
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  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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Hi friends,

I have lost my hope in talkchess platform. People are preoccupied with Chess and variants. They have no respect for the oldeat game and ask about its origin and documents etc. Even without playing the game or learning the game they declare their ideology over reality. For Hindi Language enthusiast, I have put down videos on Youtube channel at:

https://www.youtube.com/@shadyantra
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  • I am the Guru of ChandraGupt Maurya 300+ BCE.
  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.
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Re: Dashpaad Revival and scope of AI in pure logical game

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What did you expect, if you fail to provide a formal specification of the rules? That people wave a magic wand, to summon a computer program that by telepathy exactly does what you have in mind?
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Problen is that I shared rules to some guys good in documentation but they screwed the game flow.

I only have notes and coded the game in my portal Shadyantra.org but still 99% coded yet. Have created videos in Hindi on Youtube.

I had meetings with Mr Rick Knowlton and he was documenting the game rules. Since last 4 months, I have lost touch with him.

Dhyut which became Shadyantra ot Shatranjan is logic based game that is why, rules can be understood if one can understand the following things:

Protocol of war;
Ranks of Actors in war;
Restriction as per logical righteousness;
Event based Actions and reactions.

I will try to make youtube videos in English, but I need someone to help me to convert Hindi Youtube videos in English.

Not everything is available on the internet..


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Vishnugupt alias Chanakya alias Kautilya.
  • I am the Guru of ChandraGupt Maurya 300+ BCE.
  • Popularised Shad Yantra game and made it more lethal on Dashpaad (10x10) board game.