Dashpaad Revival and scope of AI in pure logical game

[shadyantra]

Hi friends,

Demo of Dashpaad is almost done, and I am in discussion with chess Historian " Mr Rick Knowlton" to work on Dashpaad board.

Dashpaad (10×10 blocks) basically is name of the board but modern history experts get confused with name of the game. Game is called Shad Yantra. Shad Yantra means 6 principals of managing economy and war.

From Dashpaad, Ashtpad (8×8) was evolved 2100 yrs ago. Ashtpaad is basically mother of all chess variants, including Persian Chess (modern chess) and Makruk etc.

I learnt this game in 2005 in New Delhi from a group of monks, and now passionate to revive the game.

The chess engine with AI is the next challenge as this game is based on logics.

Regards
Vishnu Gupt (Kautilya)

[hgm]

Is there a website somewhere that describes the rules?

[lithander]

The chess engine with AI is the next challenge as this game is based on logics.

The AI is not the next challenge imo. I'd like some kind of proof that this game is actually a real thing. I googled the terms you mentioned and only found an obscure twitter and a broken website but no practically useful information.

https://shadyantra.org/
https://mobile.twitter.com/shadyantra2

Describing the rules in a formal way would be the next step... the AI's will come if the game is as good as you say.

[tcusr]

i knew i already heard about it
https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=72522

[shadyantra]

Is there a website somewhere that describes the rules?

I am surprised that dashpaad and ashtpaad are not heard. Modern chess never evolved from Chaturanga..

The website is broken because I am doing all at my own. Please try it at :

shadyantra.org/kautilya

[Eelco de Groot]

The chess engine with AI is the next challenge as this game is based on logics.

The AI is not the next challenge imo. I'd like some kind of proof that this game is actually a real thing. I googled the terms you mentioned and only found an obscure twitter and a broken website but no practically useful information.

https://shadyantra.org/
https://mobile.twitter.com/shadyantra2

Describing the rules in a formal way would be the next step... the AI's will come if the game is as good as you say.

Please do not immediately make an AI for everything. There will be nothing left for the poor humans to do. Homo Ludens will die.

The story seems real to me but a Google search is not going to do it. You will have to learn Sanskrit I fear and search in ancient texts. And maybe we are not allowed.

[algerbrex]

Please do not immediately make an AI for everything. There will be nothing left for the poor humans to do. Homo Ludens will die.

I hear people say something to this effect sometimes, especially with regards to chess, checkers, or go AIs. But I don't think our situation is quite as dire.

Sure, the best chess/checker/go AIs today will always beat even the best humans, that is a reality. But why let this stop us from still enjoying these games? Why let this take away the fun and challenge of trying to improve our skills, and appreciating the skills of the best players?

From my perspective, top chess players like Nakamura, Carlsen, Dubov, Alireza, Anand, Caruana, and So are basically chess engines. Their skill level and insight are so much higher than mine that I'd never win a game against them. But does that mean I should throw my hands up in despair and decide to quit chess? I don't think so. I can still keep looking to improve while enjoying the game, and reaching my full potential. And I think the same goes for any player when comparing themselves to an AI.

Chess engines are great tools and I thoroughly enjoy chess programming and the community it fosters, but much of the beauty of these games is viewing them specifically through the lens of humanity and using these games to push the limits of what's possible. But more importantly what's possible for you. I think similar things can be said about a lot of human endeavors and the machines that might surpass us.

[shadyantra]

The chess engine with AI is the next challenge as this game is based on logics.

The AI is not the next challenge imo. I'd like some kind of proof that this game is actually a real thing. I googled the terms you mentioned and only found an obscure twitter and a broken website but no practically useful information.

https://shadyantra.org/
https://mobile.twitter.com/shadyantra2

Describing the rules in a formal way would be the next step... the AI's will come if the game is as good as you say.

Please do not immediately make an AI for everything. There will be nothing left for the poor humans to do. Homo Ludens will die.

The story seems real to me but a Google search is not going to do it. You will have to learn Sanskrit I fear and search in ancient texts. And maybe we are not allowed.

Kautilya Arthshastra is a book written around this game. This game was in its peak in ChandraGupt period.

I noted down all notes and rules etc from them. The game is still limited to few groups.

Http://shadyantra.org/kautilya

There are some bugs, but my family has some serious problems since last 3 months.

[Eelco de Groot]

The chess engine with AI is the next challenge as this game is based on logics.

The AI is not the next challenge imo. I'd like some kind of proof that this game is actually a real thing. I googled the terms you mentioned and only found an obscure twitter and a broken website but no practically useful information.

https://shadyantra.org/
https://mobile.twitter.com/shadyantra2

Describing the rules in a formal way would be the next step... the AI's will come if the game is as good as you say.

Please do not immediately make an AI for everything. There will be nothing left for the poor humans to do. Homo Ludens will die.

The story seems real to me but a Google search is not going to do it. You will have to learn Sanskrit I fear and search in ancient texts. And maybe we are not allowed.

Kautilya Arthshastra is a book written around this game. This game was in its peak in ChandraGupt period.

I noted down all notes and rules etc from them. The game is still limited to few groups.

Http://shadyantra.org/kautilya

There are some bugs, but my family has some serious problems since last 3 months.

Hello!

The story is very interesting. Unfortunately, on the website I can not see much more than two buttons and a sound-element. All in upper left corner of the screen, see image below. Maybe it is because I have blocked pop-ups, that I can't see the rules? 'Live game' button also is not functioning, for me. Can anyone here see more? Thanks for the information, I do hope there is more!

[shadyantra]

Live button has to be clicked twice. Game can be played betweeb two players.

There are two versions of shadyantra:

Before 300 BCE and
During 300 to 200 BCE.

Second option is the most recommended game mosified by Kautilya.