apple M1 Pro

[bob]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

Even if you are correct and are a good programmer yourself, there's no need to be that rude to someone who basically helped to invent most of the stuff you, I, and hundreds of other chess programmers now take for granted. It just comes across as arrogant and entitled.

Being annoyed because Bob likes Crafty and ARM (and by extension, what Apple did with it) is similar to being annoyed with Ken Thompson liking C and Unix (and by extension, probably, Linux).

Not to mention blatant advertising for DEC since that was all Unix ran on initially.

[smatovic]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

Even if you are correct and are a good programmer yourself, there's no need to be that rude to someone who basically helped to invent most of the stuff you, I, and hundreds of other chess programmers now take for granted. It just comes across as arrogant and entitled.

Being annoyed because Bob likes Crafty and ARM (and by extension, what Apple did with it) is similar to being annoyed with Ken Thompson liking C and Unix (and by extension, probably, Linux).

Not to mention blatant advertising for DEC since that was all Unix ran on initially.

Haha, Robert Hyatt advertising Cray, Intel, Power, and now, Apple M1

I remember some Crafty benchmarks on an 16 socket IBM Power machine, 16x6=96M nps, can not find the post anymore, 80M nps on architecture descented from an mobile SoC, whoosh....

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[AlexChess]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

first, it was NOT trying to justify my purchase. I don't need to do that since I bought it of my own free will. I posted the result because the NPS represents a pretty amazing number for a laptop. May be faster ones today. But probably not by a lot. Wasn't intended to be (nor was it) an advertisement for Apple. It was simply MY PERSONAL ESPERIENCE with the machine, nothing more, nothing less... Talk about a "troll?" pot, kettle.

Dear Bob, I follow you since 1990's! 30+ years ago I asked you by email if engines will be never able to win at long TC against a GM (and you kindly answered something like: "Yes when it will be possible to search 20+ full moves". You were right ) Crafty was and still is a reference for the whole chess community! I'm also a Apple Silicon M1 fan (but not a fanboy ) and I'm compiling all top engines for my Mac mini M1 forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75911 . Now I want to ask you another question: Could be possible to exploit also the dedicated neural network hardware of 16-core Neural Engine of Silicon M1 for chess?

Kind regards, Alex

[AlexChess]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

first, it was NOT trying to justify my purchase. I don't need to do that since I bought it of my own free will. I posted the result because the NPS represents a pretty amazing number for a laptop. May be faster ones today. But probably not by a lot. Wasn't intended to be (nor was it) an advertisement for Apple. It was simply MY PERSONAL ESPERIENCE with the machine, nothing more, nothing less... Talk about a "troll?" pot, kettle.

Dear Bob, I follow you since 1990's! 26 years ago I asked you by email if engines will be never able to win at long TC against a GM (and you kindly answered something like: "Yes when it will be possible to search 20+ full moves". You were right ) Crafty was and still is a reference for the whole chess community! I'm also a Apple Silicon M1 fan (but not a fanboy ) and I'm compiling all top engines for my Mac mini M1 forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75911 . Now I want to ask you another question: Could be possible to exploit also the dedicated neural network hardware of 16-core Neural Engine of Silicon M1 for chess?

Kind regards, Alex

[bob]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

first, it was NOT trying to justify my purchase. I don't need to do that since I bought it of my own free will. I posted the result because the NPS represents a pretty amazing number for a laptop. May be faster ones today. But probably not by a lot. Wasn't intended to be (nor was it) an advertisement for Apple. It was simply MY PERSONAL ESPERIENCE with the machine, nothing more, nothing less... Talk about a "troll?" pot, kettle.

Dear Bob, I follow you since 1990's! 30+ years ago I asked you by email if engines will be never able to win at long TC against a GM (and you kindly answered something like: "Yes when it will be possible to search 20+ full moves". You were right ) Crafty was and still is a reference for the whole chess community! I'm also a Apple Silicon M1 fan (but not a fanboy ) and I'm compiling all top engines for my Mac mini M1 forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75911 . Now I want to ask you another question: Could be possible to exploit also the dedicated neural network hardware of 16-core Neural Engine of Silicon M1 for chess?

Kind regards, Alex

Can't answer that as of yet. Still tweaking the parallel search and also trying to see if getting the efficiency cores involved is of any benefit as well. Will look at the complete system as time permits...

[AlexChess]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

first, it was NOT trying to justify my purchase. I don't need to do that since I bought it of my own free will. I posted the result because the NPS represents a pretty amazing number for a laptop. May be faster ones today. But probably not by a lot. Wasn't intended to be (nor was it) an advertisement for Apple. It was simply MY PERSONAL ESPERIENCE with the machine, nothing more, nothing less... Talk about a "troll?" pot, kettle.

Dear Bob, I follow you since 1990's! 30+ years ago I asked you by email if engines will be never able to win at long TC against a GM (and you kindly answered something like: "Yes when it will be possible to search 20+ full moves". You were right ) Crafty was and still is a reference for the whole chess community! I'm also a Apple Silicon M1 fan (but not a fanboy ) and I'm compiling all top engines for my Mac mini M1 forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75911 . Now I want to ask you another question: Could be possible to exploit also the dedicated neural network hardware of 16-core Neural Engine of Silicon M1 for chess?

Kind regards, Alex

Can't answer that as of yet. Still tweaking the parallel search and also trying to see if getting the efficiency cores involved is of any benefit as well. Will look at the complete system as time permits...

Very happy that you will contribute to coding on Silicon M1!!!

[syzygy]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

Bob is just saying he likes the ARM architecture and the performance of the M1 Pro. He did not say anything negative about any other platform.

I really don't get why there is this eternal irrational hatred of anything Apple.

[Cardoso]

I really don't get why there is this eternal irrational hatred of anything Apple.

I think this might have something to do with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_SZ4tfLns

[Cardoso]

I really don't get why there is this eternal irrational hatred of anything Apple.

I think this might have something to do with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_SZ4tfLns

and also this could have something to do with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCjoUx-KLI

[AlexChess]

I'll explain what that means. It means that you're providing meaningless facts as arguments in favor of and trying to justify your purchase. You're disregarding any other modern hardware and only compare it to either an older apple device with known issues or a 15 year old CPU. You run an ancient engine and praise M1 for a single result that's just outside your expectations. This is on topic because your post is nothing but an advertisement for apple.

first, it was NOT trying to justify my purchase. I don't need to do that since I bought it of my own free will. I posted the result because the NPS represents a pretty amazing number for a laptop. May be faster ones today. But probably not by a lot. Wasn't intended to be (nor was it) an advertisement for Apple. It was simply MY PERSONAL ESPERIENCE with the machine, nothing more, nothing less... Talk about a "troll?" pot, kettle.

Dear Bob, any progress in porting Crafty to M1 (implementing maybe new technologies to better exploit the new ARM chip) ?

Kind regards, Alex
One of your best fans since '90 (you are really a pionieer in open source chess engines )