Grace Hopper Superchip

[hgm]

I guess that with Elo/(transistors*freq) 8-bit CPUs like 6502 and 6800 would do very well. I thinkt the 6800 was called such because it had just 6800 transistors, so the transistor count would be dominated by memory. 4KB of static RAM, at 6 transistors per bit would be 200K transistors. The frequency would be 1 MHz. Compared to Stockfish on modern hardware using 64MB hash you would have 2000 times lower frequency and 4000 times fewer transistors. The Elo would be lower, of course. But it would not be 8 million times lower.

[dangi12012]

ELO/Inflation Adjusted MSRP
ELO/Watt

Both would be cool to know for any system. Currently comparing LC0 vs Stockfish is not done on an even playingfield. (TCEC)
Inflation Adjusted MSRP closes the "I found a free 1990 pc on the dump so thats the best value" loophole

[smatovic]

SF on an Raspberry Pi for 50 bucks?

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Srdja

[dangi12012]

SF on an Raspberry Pi for 50 bucks?

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Srdja

Sure why not. If you have one you can already post all three metrics and we can compare to 5950x.
Keep in mind that ELO is a logarithmic scala

ELO
Inflation adj. MSRP
Wattage

[smatovic]

SF on an Raspberry Pi for 50 bucks?

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Srdja

Sure why not. If you have one you can already post all three metrics and we can compare to 5950x.
Keep in mind that ELO is a logarithmic scala

ELO
Inflation adj. MSRP
Wattage

I do not own a Pi...

- Pi plays now and then in the monthly Blitz tournament (announced and results posted in this subforum)
- SF plays now and then in the monthly Blitz tournaments

there you will get some (relative) Elo (surname) numbers.

From Wikipedia:

- US$35.00 (Pi 4 1GB RAM)
- 5 V; 3 A

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Srdja

[smatovic]

I guess that with Elo/(transistors*freq) 8-bit CPUs like 6502 and 6800 would do very well. I thinkt the 6800 was called such because it had just 6800 transistors, so the transistor count would be dominated by memory. 4KB of static RAM, at 6 transistors per bit would be 200K transistors. The frequency would be 1 MHz. Compared to Stockfish on modern hardware using 64MB hash you would have 2000 times lower frequency and 4000 times fewer transistors. The Elo would be lower, of course. But it would not be 8 million times lower.

...the Motorola 68000 has 68k transistors, according to Wikipedia 6800 has 4,100, AFAIK DRAM uses only one transistor and a capacitor and DDR-RAM is clocked with 100 to 200 MHz, so the difference shall be a bit smaller - Deep Blue vs. Fritz, 1995, would be an interesting numbers game IMHO.

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Srdja