Attack the 8-piece tablebases

[natopigro]

Hi all,
I am a data scientist and a chess player (2000 elo).
Let say I have acces to a super computer, it's in the top N where N is not so big. I have the possibility to use it for, let say, "personal" purposes. I was wondering how to exploit it (legally) and I was attracted by the 8-piece tablebases problem.

I know that at the moment the problem is so big that basically it is not feasible to solve it, but I could try to give my contribution solving a subset of positions. Also for my company, a valid results can be seen as good publicity.

Is there someone which is interested in collaborating? Maybe someone with any experience in that field?
Where can I start from? I don't want to reinvent the wheel, maybe there is some code in Python i could try to reuse?

I am open to questions from anyone interested.

Bye!

[phhnguyen]

Hi all,
I am a data scientist and a chess player (2000 elo).
Let say I have acces to a super computer, it's in the top N where N is not so big. I have the possibility to use it for, let say, "personal" purposes. I was wondering how to exploit it (legally) and I was attracted by the 8-piece tablebases problem.

I know that at the moment the problem is so big that basically it is not feasible to solve it, but I could try to give my contribution solving a subset of positions. Also for my company, a valid results can be seen as good publicity.

Is there someone which is interested in collaborating? Maybe someone with any experience in that field?
Where can I start from? I don't want to reinvent the wheel, maybe there is some code in Python i could try to reuse?

I am open to questions from anyone interested.

Bye!

If you want a serious discussion, you should post or require Moderators to move this post into the sub-forum Programming and Technical Discussions since almost all our developers discuss in that sub-forum that but not here. I think many people will be interested and helpful.

Secondly, you may read some text/posts first, including posts of these forums about Syzygy from CPW (link is below). Many forums' posts have mentioned already about 8 men.

https://www.chessprogramming.org/Syzygy_Bases

Good luck and have fun with your project

[dangi12012]

Hi all,
I am a data scientist and a chess player (2000 elo).
Let say I have acces to a super computer, it's in the top N where N is not so big. I have the possibility to use it for, let say, "personal" purposes. I was wondering how to exploit it (legally) and I was attracted by the 8-piece tablebases problem.

I know that at the moment the problem is so big that basically it is not feasible to solve it, but I could try to give my contribution solving a subset of positions. Also for my company, a valid results can be seen as good publicity.

Is there someone which is interested in collaborating? Maybe someone with any experience in that field?
Where can I start from? I don't want to reinvent the wheel, maybe there is some code in Python i could try to reuse?

I am open to questions from anyone interested.

Bye!

Hello I can see you wrote the same thing on reddit 2 months before and I suggested you pick up the Tablebase problem. Good thing you picked up the idea!
You should pm the contributors of this repo:
https://github.com/syzygy1/tb


8 Man TB is totally possible in 2021 (but its a lot of work!). Hardware made some big big leaps especially gpu -SSD and interconnect stuff. For example 15GB sequential read was DDR2 speed once. But now you can get this speed with NVME Raid Array. Gpu memories increased from 786MB to 24-48GB so that should help too..

[R. Tomasi]

8 Man TB is totally possible in 2021 (but its a lot of work!). Hardware made some big big leaps especially gpu -SSD and interconnect stuff. For example 15GB sequential read was DDR2 speed once. But now you can get this speed with NVME Raid Array. Gpu memories increased from 786MB to 24-48GB so that should help too..

From what the OP said, I would think that he isn't intending to do this on normal hardware

[dangi12012]

8 Man TB is totally possible in 2021 (but its a lot of work!). Hardware made some big big leaps especially gpu -SSD and interconnect stuff. For example 15GB sequential read was DDR2 speed once. But now you can get this speed with NVME Raid Array. Gpu memories increased from 786MB to 24-48GB so that should help too..

From what the OP said, I would think that he isn't intending to do this on normal hardware

What do you think? Supercomputers dont have SSDs or GPUs? Think again. https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2021/06/
Many use clusters of Nvidia A100 with Mellanox interconnect etc. Its perfect for chess. Someone with access needs to put in the work together with tablebase creators. 8 Man Tablebase is totally in reach by a 2021 supercomputer.

[natopigro]

Hi all, thank you for your suggestion.
I've already written to syzygy_tb@yahoo.com but he didn't replyed up to now.

For sure, to the moderators, please feel free to move my post in the proper section.

@dangi12012 yes, it was me on reddit, thank you for your suggestion

The HPC I have the possibility to use definetely has the aforementioned features. I would just need a code to run

[phhnguyen]

If you really start, I guess Ronald de Man and/or other people will jump in to help you. Similar to the way they helped Bojun Guo to generate 7 men.

http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?t=66797

[pepechuy]

Hi.
The following links can be of interest:

http://www.arves.org/arves/index.php/en ... plorations

http://www.arves.org/arves/index.php/en ... n-endgames

Greetings.

[scchess]

Solving the 8-man TB is too much, a good starting point should just focus on certain well known 8-man configurations such as R+P vs R+P.

[Chessnut1071]

Hi all,
I am a data scientist and a chess player (2000 elo).
Let say I have acces to a super computer, it's in the top N where N is not so big. I have the possibility to use it for, let say, "personal" purposes. I was wondering how to exploit it (legally) and I was attracted by the 8-piece tablebases problem.

I know that at the moment the problem is so big that basically it is not feasible to solve it, but I could try to give my contribution solving a subset of positions. Also for my company, a valid results can be seen as good publicity.

Is there someone which is interested in collaborating? Maybe someone with any experience in that field?
Where can I start from? I don't want to reinvent the wheel, maybe there is some code in Python i could try to reuse?

I am open to questions from anyone interested.

Bye!

I understand what you're doing. If your boss finds out you could be in serious trouble. It's not worth a job. Strongly advise you to use your own time and get access to a computer with that capability at your own expense. I know people who have been there, done that , have the t-shirt and are currently unemployed.