[d]r3k2r/1pbb1ppp/p7/3pp3/3nn3/P5BP/RP2PPP1/1N1K1B1R b kq - 0 1
Stockfish dev 20250513 Can't find Ba4. Move was obvious to me, I tried Lc0, Torch it finds easily.
Strange Position and Strange Behaviour
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Re: Strange Position and Strange Behaviour
Every move wins:
Analysis by Stockfish dev-20250519-347e328f:
1. -+ (-8.58): 1...Nf5 2.Nc3 Nfxg3 3.fxg3 Nf2+ 4.Ke1 Nxh1 5.Nxd5 Bd8 6.e4 Nxg3 7.b4 0-0 8.Bd3 Bh4 9.b5 axb5 10.Kd1 Rfd8 11.Kc2 Bc6 12.Kb1 Nxe4 13.Bxe4 Bxd5 14.Bxd5 Rxd5 15.Rb2 Rad8 16.g3 f6 17.gxh4 Rd1+ 18.Kc2
2. -+ (-8.54): 1...Ba4+ 2.Kc1 Nxg3 3.fxg3 Bb3 4.Ra1 Nc2 5.e4 Nxa1 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 Be6 8.b4 0-0-0 9.Kb2 Nb3 10.g4 Nd2 11.Nxd2 Rxd2+ 12.Kc1 Rd4 13.Re1 Rhd8 14.Kb2 g6 15.h4 Bxg4 16.h5 Bxh5 17.Rc1 Kb8 18.Rc6 bxc6 19.Bxc6 R4d6 20.Be4 f6
3. -+ (-8.41): 1...Be6 2.b4 Nf5 3.e3 Nfxg3 4.fxg3 Nxg3 5.Rg1 Bb6 6.Bd3 e4 7.Bc2 Nf5 8.Re1 Nxe3+ 9.Rxe3 Bxe3 10.a4 Ke7 11.Ra3 Bf4 12.Nc3 Rhc8 13.a5 Rc4 14.b5 Rac8 15.Ne2 Bd6 16.bxa6 bxa6 17.Ra2 R8c7 18.Rb2 e3
4. -+ (-8.21): 1...Ba5 2.Nc3 Bxc3 3.bxc3 Nxc3+ 4.Ke1 Nxa2 5.Bxe5 Ne6 6.g3 f6 7.Ba1 d4 8.Bg2 Bc6 9.f3 Rd8 10.h4 Kf7 11.Kf2 Rhe8 12.h5 Nc3 13.h6 g5 14.Re1 Nc5 15.Bf1 Kg8
5. -+ (-8.05): 1...Nxg3 2.fxg3 Nf5 3.e3 Nxg3 4.Rg1 Bb6 5.Bd3 e4 6.Bc2 Nf5 7.Bb3 Nxe3+ 8.Ke1 Bc6 9.Ra1 Rd8 10.g4 Nc2+ 11.Bxc2 Bxg1 12.Nc3 h5 13.Ke2 Bc5 14.g5 Be7 15.Rd1 Bxg5 16.Nxd5 Rxd5 17.Rxd5 Bxd5
6. -+ (-8.02): 1...Rd8 2.e3 Nf5 3.b4 Nexg3 4.fxg3 Nxg3 5.Rg1 Bb6 6.a4 Bxe3 7.Ra3 Bxg1 8.Rxg3 Bh2 9.Ra3 e4 10.g3 h5 11.a5 Rh6 12.b5 Rf6 13.Nd2 Kf8 14.Rc3 h4 15.Rc7 Bxg3
Analysis by Stockfish dev-20250519-347e328f:
1. -+ (-8.58): 1...Nf5 2.Nc3 Nfxg3 3.fxg3 Nf2+ 4.Ke1 Nxh1 5.Nxd5 Bd8 6.e4 Nxg3 7.b4 0-0 8.Bd3 Bh4 9.b5 axb5 10.Kd1 Rfd8 11.Kc2 Bc6 12.Kb1 Nxe4 13.Bxe4 Bxd5 14.Bxd5 Rxd5 15.Rb2 Rad8 16.g3 f6 17.gxh4 Rd1+ 18.Kc2
2. -+ (-8.54): 1...Ba4+ 2.Kc1 Nxg3 3.fxg3 Bb3 4.Ra1 Nc2 5.e4 Nxa1 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 Be6 8.b4 0-0-0 9.Kb2 Nb3 10.g4 Nd2 11.Nxd2 Rxd2+ 12.Kc1 Rd4 13.Re1 Rhd8 14.Kb2 g6 15.h4 Bxg4 16.h5 Bxh5 17.Rc1 Kb8 18.Rc6 bxc6 19.Bxc6 R4d6 20.Be4 f6
3. -+ (-8.41): 1...Be6 2.b4 Nf5 3.e3 Nfxg3 4.fxg3 Nxg3 5.Rg1 Bb6 6.Bd3 e4 7.Bc2 Nf5 8.Re1 Nxe3+ 9.Rxe3 Bxe3 10.a4 Ke7 11.Ra3 Bf4 12.Nc3 Rhc8 13.a5 Rc4 14.b5 Rac8 15.Ne2 Bd6 16.bxa6 bxa6 17.Ra2 R8c7 18.Rb2 e3
4. -+ (-8.21): 1...Ba5 2.Nc3 Bxc3 3.bxc3 Nxc3+ 4.Ke1 Nxa2 5.Bxe5 Ne6 6.g3 f6 7.Ba1 d4 8.Bg2 Bc6 9.f3 Rd8 10.h4 Kf7 11.Kf2 Rhe8 12.h5 Nc3 13.h6 g5 14.Re1 Nc5 15.Bf1 Kg8
5. -+ (-8.05): 1...Nxg3 2.fxg3 Nf5 3.e3 Nxg3 4.Rg1 Bb6 5.Bd3 e4 6.Bc2 Nf5 7.Bb3 Nxe3+ 8.Ke1 Bc6 9.Ra1 Rd8 10.g4 Nc2+ 11.Bxc2 Bxg1 12.Nc3 h5 13.Ke2 Bc5 14.g5 Be7 15.Rd1 Bxg5 16.Nxd5 Rxd5 17.Rxd5 Bxd5
6. -+ (-8.02): 1...Rd8 2.e3 Nf5 3.b4 Nexg3 4.fxg3 Nxg3 5.Rg1 Bb6 6.a4 Bxe3 7.Ra3 Bxg1 8.Rxg3 Bh2 9.Ra3 e4 10.g3 h5 11.a5 Rh6 12.b5 Rf6 13.Nd2 Kf8 14.Rc3 h4 15.Rc7 Bxg3
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Re: Strange Position and Strange Behaviour
Stockfish Tinapa 3.6.4 SE
-9.80/34 1...Ba4+ 2.Kc1 Nb3+ 3.Kc2 d4 4.e3 Rc8 5.Bb5+ axb5 6.Kd3 Nbc5+ 7.Ke2 d3+ 8.Kf1 Bb3 9.Ra1 Bc2 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Nb3 12.Re1 h5 13.f3 h4 14.Bh2 d2 15.Kf2 dxe1=Q+ 16.Rxe1 Bd6 17.Kg1 Rc6 18.Rf1
-8.60/34 1...Nf5 2.Nc3 Nfxg3 3.fxg3 Nf2+ 4.Ke1 Nxh1 5.Nxd5 Bd8 6.e4 Nxg3 7.Ra1 Be6 8.Rd1 Rc8 9.Kf2 Nxe4+ 10.Kg1 O-O 11.Be2 Ng3 12.Kf2 Nf5 13.Kg1 Nd4 14.Bg4 f5 15.Bf3 Rf7 16.Kh1 Nxf3 17.gxf3 Bh4 18.f4 e4 19.Ne3 Be7 20.Kh2 Rd8 21.Rxd8+ Bxd8
-9.80/34 1...Ba4+ 2.Kc1 Nb3+ 3.Kc2 d4 4.e3 Rc8 5.Bb5+ axb5 6.Kd3 Nbc5+ 7.Ke2 d3+ 8.Kf1 Bb3 9.Ra1 Bc2 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Nb3 12.Re1 h5 13.f3 h4 14.Bh2 d2 15.Kf2 dxe1=Q+ 16.Rxe1 Bd6 17.Kg1 Rc6 18.Rf1
-8.60/34 1...Nf5 2.Nc3 Nfxg3 3.fxg3 Nf2+ 4.Ke1 Nxh1 5.Nxd5 Bd8 6.e4 Nxg3 7.Ra1 Be6 8.Rd1 Rc8 9.Kf2 Nxe4+ 10.Kg1 O-O 11.Be2 Ng3 12.Kf2 Nf5 13.Kg1 Nd4 14.Bg4 f5 15.Bf3 Rf7 16.Kh1 Nxf3 17.gxf3 Bh4 18.f4 e4 19.Ne3 Be7 20.Kh2 Rd8 21.Rxd8+ Bxd8
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Re: Strange Position and Strange Behaviour
When everything wins easily and there are no clear and proven checkmates, I would argue that "best move" is nebulous.
I have statistics that show, if there is no forced stalemate by a fortress or eternal check, then +4.5 pawns almost always wins (the non-wins are vanishingly small, just a few instances out of many millions of games).
I have statistics that show, if there is no forced stalemate by a fortress or eternal check, then +4.5 pawns almost always wins (the non-wins are vanishingly small, just a few instances out of many millions of games).
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