Movei425 progress 0 0 0 vs Fruit20 ended 27 to 23

[pichy]

Uri, are you going to release this version ?

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_425 27.0/50 ·················································· 0=10111=11=11011=0=1==0=00000=101=111==0111=01=000 621.00
2: Fruit20-fast 23.0/50 1=01000=00=00100=1=0==1=11111=010=000==1000=10=111 ·················································· 621.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

[pichy]

Uri, are you going to release this version ?

This was under Arena GUI with progress 0 0 0

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_425 27.0/50 ·················································· 0=10111=11=11011=0=1==0=00000=101=111==0111=01=000 621.00
2: Fruit20-fast 23.0/50 1=01000=00=00100=1=0==1=11111=010=000==1000=10=111 ·················································· 621.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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Just when I found a setting that beat Fruit 2.0 with progress 0 0 0 , it scored worse versus scorpio 1.91. Here is the cmparison of settings versus Scorpio 1.91

This is under Arena as Winboard with progress 0 0 0

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 22.5/36 ···································· ===101==01==11=1=0110=001110=1101111 303.75
2: Movei00_8_425 13.5/36 ===010==10==00=0=1001=110001=0010000 ···································· 303.75

36 of 50 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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This was under UCI Shredder GUI progress 10 10 10

JORGE, Blitz:4'+2" 0

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2680 11½10½01½000½001011½½11½110000½0110111½½0½01½½½100 25.0/50 625.00
2 Movei00_8_423 2670 00½01½10½111½110100½½00½001111½1001000½½1½10½½½011 25.0/50 625.00

[Uri Blass]

Uri, are you going to release this version ?

This was under Arena GUI with progress 0 0 0

Engine Score Mo Fr S-B
1: Movei00_8_425 27.0/50 ·················································· 0=10111=11=11011=0=1==0=00000=101=111==0111=01=000 621.00
2: Fruit20-fast 23.0/50 1=01000=00=00100=1=0==1=11111=010=000==1000=10=111 ·················································· 621.00

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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Just when I found a setting that beat Fruit 2.0 with progress 0 0 0 , it scored worse versus scorpio 1.91. Here is the cmparison of settings versus Scorpio 1.91

This is under Arena as Winboard with progress 0 0 0

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 22.5/36 ···································· ===101==01==11=1=0110=001110=1101111 303.75
2: Movei00_8_425 13.5/36 ===010==10==00=0=1001=110001=0010000 ···································· 303.75

36 of 50 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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This was under UCI Shredder GUI progress 10 10 10

JORGE, Blitz:4'+2" 0

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2680 11½10½01½000½001011½½11½110000½0110111½½0½01½½½100 25.0/50 625.00
2 Movei00_8_423 2670 00½01½10½111½110100½½00½001111½1001000½½1½10½½½011 25.0/50 625.00

There are never enough games
I usually simply test version x+1 against version x and I often get different results in 100 games matches

For example
result in match 1:
55.5-44.5 for version x+1
result in match 2:
45.5-54.5 for version x
result in match 3:
50.5-49.5 for version x+1

Uri

[Uri Blass]

Note that inspite of the fact that there are never enough games I decide if to accept a change if I get positive results.

I am now busy in testing of improving the evaluation.

Most of the improvement from version 403 is thanks to improvements in the evaluation and I plan to continue in this direction inspite of the fact that an improvement of using hash in a productive way may give me more elo.

Uri

[pichy]

Note that inspite of the fact that there are never enough games I decide if to accept a change if I get positive results.

I am now busy in testing of improving the evaluation.

Most of the improvement from version 403 is thanks to improvements in the evaluation and I plan to continue in this direction inspite of the fact that an improvement of using hash in a productive way may give me more elo.

Uri

For some reasons movie425 progress 0 0 0 0 plays stronger versus Fruit 2.0 but not against scorpio 1.91

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 30.5/50 ·················································· ===101==01==11=1=0110=001110=11011110===1=111=100= 594.75
2: Movei00_8_425 19.5/50 ===010==10==00=0=1001=110001=00100001===0=000=011= ·················································· 594.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 1/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:


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JORGE, Blitz:1'+1" 0

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2680 ½1½11½½110½011½1111011½1½½110010111½011½½½00110½½1½1½0000100½01011½0½00011111½000½1½1½1100111½½1110011½½½1011165.5/110
2 Movei00_8_425 2680 ½0½00½½001½100½0000100½0½½001101000½100½½½11001½½0½0½1111011½10100½1½11100000½111½0½0½0011000½½0001100½½½0100044.5/110


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JORGE, Blitz:4'+2" 0

1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2680 0½½½0111½½½1½½0½101111½1½1½1½½½1001½0½11½0½½½1100½111½001½½1½11011110143.0/70
2 Movei00_8_423 2670 1½½½1000½½½0½½1½010000½0½0½0½½½0110½1½00½1½½½0011½000½110½½0½00100001027.0/70

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JORGE, Blitz:4'+2" 0

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2680 11½10½01½000½001011½½11½110000½0110111½½0½01½½½10025.0/50 625.00
2 Movei00_8_423 2670 00½01½10½111½110100½½00½001111½1001000½½1½10½½½01125.0/50 625.00

[Uri Blass]

It is possible that you get conclusions too early.

I believe that movei was never in the level of scorpio and it was simply was lucky in your test.

I also believe that luck can influence the results and if you play the same match twice you may get different results.

progress 0 0 0 is the basis for future versions because it means no path dependent evaluation that can be productive for using hash for pruning.

Uri

[pichy]

It is possible that you get conclusions too early.

I believe that movei was never in the level of scorpio and it was simply was lucky in your test.

I also believe that luck can influence the results and if you play the same match twice you may get different results.

progress 0 0 0 is the basis for future versions because it means no path dependent evaluation that can be productive for using hash for pruning.

Uri

Here is the second match and Scorpio slightly came ahead of movei425 progress 0 0 0 0

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 27.5/50 ·················································· 01010=0110==0=001=10=10=11==10==11===111=110====01 618.75
2: Movei00_8_425 22.5/50 10101=1001==1=110=01=01=00==01==00===000=001====10 ·················································· 618.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Tournament 60/2
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

[pichy]

It is possible that you get conclusions too early.

I believe that movei was never in the level of scorpio and it was simply was lucky in your test.

I also believe that luck can influence the results and if you play the same match twice you may get different results.

progress 0 0 0 is the basis for future versions because it means no path dependent evaluation that can be productive for using hash for pruning.

Uri

Here is the second match and Scorpio slightly came ahead of movei425 progress 0 0 0 0

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 27.5/50 ·················································· 01010=0110==0=001=10=10=11==10==11===111=110====01 618.75
2: Movei00_8_425 22.5/50 10101=1001==1=110=01=01=00==01==00===000=001====10 ·················································· 618.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Tournament 60/2
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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And here is the third and at slower time control

JORGE, Blitz:15'+10" 0

123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2700 0110011101½1110010½½½1½1101½½017.5/30
2 Movei00_8_425 2680 1001100010½0001101½½½0½0010½½112.5/30

[pichy]

It is possible that you get conclusions too early.

I believe that movei was never in the level of scorpio and it was simply was lucky in your test.

I also believe that luck can influence the results and if you play the same match twice you may get different results.

progress 0 0 0 is the basis for future versions because it means no path dependent evaluation that can be productive for using hash for pruning.

Uri

Here is the second match and Scorpio slightly came ahead of movei425 progress 0 0 0 0

Engine Score Sc Mo S-B
1: Scorpio 27.5/50 ·················································· 01010=0110==0=001=10=10=11==10==11===111=110====01 618.75
2: Movei00_8_425 22.5/50 10101=1001==1=110=01=01=00==01==00===000=001====10 ·················································· 618.75

50 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Tournament 60/2
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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And here is the third and at slower time control

JORGE, Blitz:15'+10" 0

123456789012345678901234567890
1 scorpio 2700 0110011101½1110010½½½1½1101½½0 17.5/30
2 Movei00_8_425 2680 1001100010½0001101½½½0½0010½½1 12.5/30

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My conclusion is that movei423 and movei425 are very close in rating probably within 10 rating points, here is the fourth match


Engine Score Wi Mo S-B
1: WildCat_7 22.0/40 ········································ 01101110010100=10101110=100100010111==11 396.00
2: Movei00_8_425 18.0/40 10010001101011=01010001=011011101000==00 ········································ 396.00

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

[pichy]

It is possible that you get conclusions too early.

I believe that movei was never in the level of scorpio and it was simply was lucky in your test.

I also believe that luck can influence the results and if you play the same match twice you may get different results.

progress 0 0 0 is the basis for future versions because it means no path dependent evaluation that can be productive for using hash for pruning.

Uri

I believe that I found a stronger personality with progress 50 50 50 0, so far after only 10 games movei425 is ahead whereas on none of the previous matches movei425 got ahead of WildCat 7.0


Engine Score Mo Wi S-B
1: Movei00_8_425 6.5/10 ·········· ==110=11== 22.75
2: WildCat_7 3.5/10 ==001=00== ·········· 22.75

10 of 40 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 2/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address: