ACCA stance on Ippo, Robbo and such

[Rolf]

Don't twist his post.
He said "I don't know what he thinks and I cannot care less"

You state he said this: "you state you didnt care about a business guy Vas" which he did not write anything similar to that. Bending post in your favor?

But you said this: "Moral: if taken stuff from R are in Stockfish (!) then Stockfish authors do in fact harm Vasik's Rybka business!"

You as an expert could prove that and ask for the proper retribution. Can you?

I dont need extra lectures in such easy put English statements. As a psychologists I am experienced in understanding what people said otherwise I could always ask again. The give-away here undoubtedly is the expression "i couldnt care less" which proves a desinterest. Look, you are certainly smart enough to understand that. On the ceremony of a burial you normally dont state that you couldnt care less of who has died. Know what I mean?? It's absolutely not a neutral expression in context of a veritable damage case for a business guy. Further defense questions? Please study the meaning of context beforehand.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Yes Rolf, before you start pointing fingers at other people, why don't you come up with a proof supporting your claims... that something was taken from Rybka and are in SF and RL.
How much of the Rybka code did they copy, and put in their programs. Can you also tell us what lines of the code they used to make their programs stronger ?

He can't do anything of the above mentioned procedures and he continues the well known Rybka's team tradition of accusing any strong engine that it has parts of Rybka's source code....
No other author I am aware of has done or is doing what Vasik's and his followers are doing....they are trying to destroy any competition by cheap shots and fat lies,but this won't benifit at the long term,just wait and see....
Dr.D

[Rolf]

That some ideas are incorporated since release of version 1.6 is no secret. It is not supposed to be a secret, in my opinion, not anymore.
Maybe even Rolf would have read about it Maybe you have to read between the lines elsewhere to find that this is not denied.

Regards, Eelco

Rest assured that I dont see anything in any code. Here the between the lines applies. I simply used what I had read in Don's remarks who said something of that several progs would now have made a step or junp forwards after the opening of the R code. For me decisive is the played innocence of these involved figures. Take Crafty or Stockfish and all the business progs too. Bon appetit.

[Rolf]

Yes Rolf, before you start pointing fingers at other people, why don't you come up with a proof supporting your claims... that something was taken from Rybka and are in SF and RL.
How much of the Rybka code did they copy, and put in their programs. Can you also tell us what lines of the code they used to make their programs stronger ?

Damir, with pleasure, we are no longer pubertarians, so please allow me to introduce Larry to you. He made the necessary remarks. But dont expect exactly what the dark anon riders have carefully obfuscated. So more a general witness than a beancounter support. Hope this helps. Always yours, Rolf

[slobo]

So if I who knows almost nothing about programming take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, Toga make 1 change that makes it the strongest Toga I will have my own 3000+ elo program that I can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim I am one of the best Chess Engine authors. I will be back later today with my 3000+ engine This must make genuine authors like you, Harm, feel your efforts in producing a nice engine like joker are less rewarding?

What a nonsense.

If you know "almost nothing about programming" you will not be able to simply take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, version of a program - Fruit or Toga -, make 1 change, that makes it even stronger, and have your own 3000+ elo program that you can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

To be able do do such things you should know something about programming. I mean, of course, you can make one change in a GPL code, but if you don't have programming knowledge of Thomas Gaksch or Norman Schmidt, for example, you'll never have your own 3000+ elo program, or , if you don't have programming and other skills of Vasik Rajlich, you won't be able to win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

[Harvey Williamson]

So if I who knows almost nothing about programming take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, Toga make 1 change that makes it the strongest Toga I will have my own 3000+ elo program that I can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim I am one of the best Chess Engine authors. I will be back later today with my 3000+ engine This must make genuine authors like you, Harm, feel your efforts in producing a nice engine like joker are less rewarding?

What a nonsense.

If you know "almost nothing about programming" you will not be able to simply take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, version of a program - Fruit or Toga -, make 1 change, that makes it even stronger, and have your own 3000+ elo program that you can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

To be able do do such things you should know something about programming. I mean, of course, you can make one change in a GPL code, but if you don't have programming knowledge of Thomas Gaksch or Norman Schmidt, for example, you'll never have your own 3000+ elo program, or , if you don't have programming and other skills of Vasik Rajlich, you won't be able to win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

I can change 1 parameter and recompile it - it may be stronger - easy job done my own super engine.

[slobo]

Or do you think that Vasik, the author of R wanted you and the World to know his code? So far about damages...

I don't know what he thinks and I cannot care less as he, probably, cannot care less what I, you, and all the people here think.

Nice trap you have built for yourself.

- you state you didnt want to harm business interests

- are business interests in accordance with others
stealing code and making it public? No.

- you state you didnt care about a business guy Vas

Moral: if taken stuff from R are in Stockfish (!) then Stockfish authors do in fact harm Vasik's Rybka business!

What a nonsense!

Gens Una Sumus refers to our love for a game of chess, or for our love for its branch called computer chess; it does not refer to any business interests.

[kingliveson]

I made a statement recently that the war has begun, but some thought otherwise. Now, Stockfish is being attacked from all angles. Why? Because it is now showing tremendous strength and is a competitor. Dirty politics have entered the arena. Of course politics does not need dirty prefix.

[bob]

I don't think the Toga vs. Fruit issue is any different from the Stockfish vs. Glaurung issue. You cannot have both, so you should allow the strongest to participate.

Not quite. We should allow the _original_ author to choose which version is entered. Which is not quite the same thing. And that is the rule we use for typical tournaments. Since Tord worked on both, and now supports StockFish, I assume he would enter that version. It would be his choice, as it should be.

[slobo]

So if I who knows almost nothing about programming take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, Toga make 1 change that makes it the strongest Toga I will have my own 3000+ elo program that I can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim I am one of the best Chess Engine authors. I will be back later today with my 3000+ engine This must make genuine authors like you, Harm, feel your efforts in producing a nice engine like joker are less rewarding?

What a nonsense.

If you know "almost nothing about programming" you will not be able to simply take the GPL code of the latest, strongest, version of a program - Fruit or Toga -, make 1 change, that makes it even stronger, and have your own 3000+ elo program that you can enter in an event possibly win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

To be able do do such things you should know something about programming. I mean, of course, you can make one change in a GPL code, but if you don't have programming knowledge of Thomas Gaksch or Norman Schmidt, for example, you'll never have your own 3000+ elo program, or , if you don't have programming and other skills of Vasik Rajlich, you won't be able to win a prize and claim you are one of the best Chess Engine authors.

I can change 1 parameter and recompile it - it may be stronger - easy job done my own super engine.

an imagination of someone who knows almost nothing about programming