CODA now has a released page.

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Gabor Szots wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 6:44 pm Do AI made chess engines make sense? They are not going to surpass existing top engines, I think. To do that some new idea should be introduced which they can't do.
So this seem to me simply as a show-off.

And, how will I be able to tell if a 'new' engine is AI based? If the 'author' is not honest I won't be able to distinguish a human made engine from an AI made one.
Seriously? The amount of information AI can collect and process inevitably leads to something new—to progress. The new architectural ideas for chess engines discussed with AI amazed me. Just wait. It’s coming sooner than we think.
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adamtwiss wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 4:36 pm I've never hidden what Coda is: it's agentically developed, top to bottom — it's in the tagline. Whether that excites you or annoys you, it's the direction the field is heading
I'll put aside how euphemistically silly the term "agentically developed" is

engine development need not head in the direction of being flooded with slop, actually. I intend to continue pushing back as hard as I can until I am driven out.

not enough people are radical enough about protecting their hobbies and spaces

for a fortunate mercy, "your" engine will never play at tcec or ccc, so we're safe there for now
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Ciekce wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 8:34 pm I'll put aside how euphemistically silly the term "agentically developed" is
Gabor Szots wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 6:44 pm Do AI made chess engines make sense? They are not going to surpass existing top engines, I think. To do that some new idea should be introduced which they can't do.
Responding to these two comments:

When I say Coda is "agentically developed" I mean it (Claude) has written the code by prompts from me. I've never typed code ito an IDE on this project, but I've had a lot of input into the design, ideas, designs, experiments to run. I've also been active in debugging and troubleshooting (I am an experiened software developer and have written chess engines before). Claude has also played a key role in discussions with me about things we can try and contributed to new ideas. It's taken months of human-AI partnership to get this far. Don't think that this was just an "AI wrote it overnight" thing.

Coda implements things that I beleve are both significant and novel. E.g. Xray threat features into the NNUE model, which were a > 100 Elo gain for us - that I don't believe any engine does. I feel it should be possible to close the Elo gap to the top engines in the near future, and create several new ideas along the way.
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adamtwiss wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 10:17 pm I feel it should be possible to close the Elo gap to the top engines in the near future
disastrous.
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Sylwy wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 4:37 pm :lol: An AI (ChatGPT) analysis of the opinions in this thread:
Absolutely no one wants to read this slop.
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chrisw wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 6:42 pm
Rebel wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 6:19 pm Did a quick Coda 0.90 match against a 3578 elo pool with 10 engines. After 3600 games Coda scored 63.4% which means a rating of 3700 elo.

Welcome to the new future.
yes, I wondered if this was why some people had turned on the programmer, it did seem very personal - like he worked with them and then a possible superstar suddenly emerged. Been here before, no?
Yes Chris, if you are hinting at the 2004 situation when Fabien L. released his open source engine Fruit-2.1which put him on top it became the start of a new era, like Claude now, and it was bloody, the programmers were not ready for the inevitable future and they rebelled against progress that came thanks to open source code, peeking in 2011, the absolute low point in the history of computer chess, robbing the Stockfish of that time (Rybka) from 4 of his ICGA world champion titles because the programmers of that time found Vasik R. guilty of plagiarism, that he took too much ideas from Fruit-2.1

And look now, 15 years later, the current generation of (NNUE) programmers will laugh about the childlessness of that period, you can not stop progress.

And now today, with Claude we are at the start of a new bloody period. Claude and other ones will get better and better, the wait is when AI generated code will take over the number one. You can not stop progress.

I am not saying I like it only that eventually ELO rules.
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