GM Joel Benjamin vs Leela Knight Odds Classical match

[Father]

Good afternoon Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have played some games with black pieces against LeelaKnightOdds and the computer has always rejected me and prevented me from playing against LeeelaKnight with white pieces. It has always been the same, he never allows me to play with white and I have prepared a repertoire that I believe will make the horse stone. Didn't the computer agree to play against a human again, with the human driving the white horse? If you can help me I would be very happy. Thank you.

For playing White at knight odds, you have to follow a different procedure. Just go to the link under the bot name for "Knight and Move" odds and follow the instructions there. When the bot was initially created, it could only play White; later we added the option to force Leela to play Black. There is no way I can reject a player from playing one particular color, as long as you follow the instructions. I can ban players from playing for suspected cheating, for starting new games without resigning, and other obvious abuses, but you have never done anything wrong.

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for listening to me. I would like to play with white against all the Odds. I lost a lot of elo scores, something like 140. Therefore, in order to recover, I have played 811 new games at the time of writing this message. There I even played 14 games this afternoon at 3'2", most of them and a few at 1'10". In these controls with increase it is possible for me to "put Catecan on the road" and try to win. I actually won a few games. But I have returned to 1'0 control and I think my percentage would be over 50 draws every 100 games. I don't know how much I will receive, but I would really like to fight and realistically reach one of the best positions in the standings. I started playing chess when I was 17, my dreams of being a GM are just dreams now. Perhaps if I had belonged to a top-level chess school I would have flown high, but still, the results of my interaction with the machines would have been very different. From my heart I interpret the machines, the machines have been my protective shield... my aspiration, one day perhaps sooner rather than later, is to travel to heaven where my programmer is and leave a small positive message in this world of storms. I wonder: Was it worth investing so many thousands of hours playing chess? My answer is: Yes. Everything was, is and will be, a single play of prayer.

[Father]

Good afternoon Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have played some games with black pieces against LeelaKnightOdds and the computer has always rejected me and prevented me from playing against LeeelaKnight with white pieces. It has always been the same, he never allows me to play with white and I have prepared a repertoire that I believe will make the horse stone. Didn't the computer agree to play against a human again, with the human driving the white horse? If you can help me I would be very happy. Thank you.

For playing White at knight odds, you have to follow a different procedure. Just go to the link under the bot name for "Knight and Move" odds and follow the instructions there. When the bot was initially created, it could only play White; later we added the option to force Leela to play Black. There is no way I can reject a player from playing one particular color, as long as you follow the instructions. I can ban players from playing for suspected cheating, for starting new games without resigning, and other obvious abuses, but you have never done anything wrong.

[Event "Casual bullet game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/PqzbaMfK "] [Date "2025.01.31"] [White "Catecan"] [Black "LeelaKnightOdds"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [GameId "PqzbaMfK"] [UTCDate "2025.01.31"] [UTCTime "04:22:56"] [WhiteElo "2030"] [BlackElo "2000"] [BlackTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "60+0"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 e6 2. c3 Nf6 3. f4 Be7 4. a3 b5 5. Nf3 Bb7 6. e3 a6 7. Bd3 c5 8. Qe2 Ng4 9. O-O f5 10. Re1 Bh4 11. Rf1 c4 12. Bc2 Be7 13. Re1 Bh4 14. Rf1 Be7 15. Re1 O-O 16. Nbd2 g6 17. Rf1 Nf6 18. g3 Qc7 19. Rf2 Rac8 20. Rg2 Qc6 21. Bd1 d6 22. Nf1 a5 23. Bd2 Kg7 24. Be1 Kh8 25. Kh1 a4 26. Kg1 Nd7 27. Rc1 Rce8 28. Rc2 Bd8 29. Kh1 e5 30. Kg1 h6 31. h4 Rg8 32. N3h2 h5 33. Nf3 Bf6 34. Ng5 Rg7 35. Qf2 Qc8 36. Bf3 e4 37. Be2 Kg8 38. Rh2 Bd5 39. Bd1 Be7 40. Rg2 Nf6 41. Rh2 Bc6 42. Qg2 Kf8 43. Rh1 Bd8 44. Rh3 Ke7 45. Rh1 Kd7 46. Rh3 Kc7 47. Rh1 Kb8 48. Rh3 Bd5 49. Rh1 Bg8 50. Rh3 Nd5 51. Rh1 Nf6 52. Rh3 Bd5 53. Rh1 Bg8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just before I fell asleep, two messages to the programmer. A victory for the machine and a draw. Perhaps the miracle of occupying first place for me could come at some point, even if it is only in the book of stories and dreams.

[lkaufman]

Good afternoon Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have played some games with black pieces against LeelaKnightOdds and the computer has always rejected me and prevented me from playing against LeeelaKnight with white pieces. It has always been the same, he never allows me to play with white and I have prepared a repertoire that I believe will make the horse stone. Didn't the computer agree to play against a human again, with the human driving the white horse? If you can help me I would be very happy. Thank you.

For playing White at knight odds, you have to follow a different procedure. Just go to the link under the bot name for "Knight and Move" odds and follow the instructions there. When the bot was initially created, it could only play White; later we added the option to force Leela to play Black. There is no way I can reject a player from playing one particular color, as long as you follow the instructions. I can ban players from playing for suspected cheating, for starting new games without resigning, and other obvious abuses, but you have never done anything wrong.

[Event "Casual bullet game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/PqzbaMfK "] [Date "2025.01.31"] [White "Catecan"] [Black "LeelaKnightOdds"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [GameId "PqzbaMfK"] [UTCDate "2025.01.31"] [UTCTime "04:22:56"] [WhiteElo "2030"] [BlackElo "2000"] [BlackTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "60+0"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 e6 2. c3 Nf6 3. f4 Be7 4. a3 b5 5. Nf3 Bb7 6. e3 a6 7. Bd3 c5 8. Qe2 Ng4 9. O-O f5 10. Re1 Bh4 11. Rf1 c4 12. Bc2 Be7 13. Re1 Bh4 14. Rf1 Be7 15. Re1 O-O 16. Nbd2 g6 17. Rf1 Nf6 18. g3 Qc7 19. Rf2 Rac8 20. Rg2 Qc6 21. Bd1 d6 22. Nf1 a5 23. Bd2 Kg7 24. Be1 Kh8 25. Kh1 a4 26. Kg1 Nd7 27. Rc1 Rce8 28. Rc2 Bd8 29. Kh1 e5 30. Kg1 h6 31. h4 Rg8 32. N3h2 h5 33. Nf3 Bf6 34. Ng5 Rg7 35. Qf2 Qc8 36. Bf3 e4 37. Be2 Kg8 38. Rh2 Bd5 39. Bd1 Be7 40. Rg2 Nf6 41. Rh2 Bc6 42. Qg2 Kf8 43. Rh1 Bd8 44. Rh3 Ke7 45. Rh1 Kd7 46. Rh3 Kc7 47. Rh1 Kb8 48. Rh3 Bd5 49. Rh1 Bg8 50. Rh3 Nd5 51. Rh1 Nf6 52. Rh3 Bd5 53. Rh1 Bg8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2

Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman. Just before I fell asleep, two messages to the programmer. A victory for the machine and a draw. Perhaps the miracle of occupying first place for me could come at some point, even if it is only in the book of stories and dreams.

No one has ever won a single bullet game from LeelaKnightOdds since the current net was installed Dec.11, even with increment, out of nearly a thousand games, hundreds with GMs, though there have been twenty draws, mostly with one GM. You will probably have the highest draw percentage of anyone in bullet chess at all the odds you play, although I don't think anyone else is playing for draws in general in the odds games, and very few play the White pieces.

[Vinvin]

Hi !
Yesterday, I challenged Anthony Wirig (whom already play Komodo with knight odd) to win against LeelaKnightOdds. He tried 169 games and he didn't succeed ...
He tried in 3+0 then switched to 1+1 (because h prefer bullet games)
See games here : https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds/s ... order=desc

[lkaufman]

Hi !
Yesterday, I challenged Anthony Wirig (whom already play Komodo with knight odd) to win against LeelaKnightOdds. He tried 169 games and he didn't succeed ...
He tried in 3+0 then switched to 1+1 (because h prefer bullet games)
See games here : https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds/s ... order=desc

Thanks for persuading him to play the games. Since the node increase on Jan 26, Leela knight odds has only lost two blitz games (excluding crashes/disconnections) out of nearly 1500, one at 5'3" to a strong GM, the other at 3'2" to "Chess-Network" rated around 2700 Lichess blitz, roughly "par" GM level. I would expect Anthony to win an occasional Rapid game if he played it that way, but it is almost unbeatable in blitz, and so far fully unbeatable in bullet. I note that he played all the games (I think) at g1 odds, never b1. Is that because you required it, or because he preferred it, or some other reason? I think it is the more difficult challenge of the two for the human.

[Father]

Hi !
Yesterday, I challenged Anthony Wirig (whom already play Komodo with knight odd) to win against LeelaKnightOdds. He tried 169 games and he didn't succeed ...
He tried in 3+0 then switched to 1+1 (because h prefer bullet games)
See games here : https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds/s ... order=desc

Thanks for persuading him to play the games. Since the node increase on Jan 26, Leela knight odds has only lost two blitz games (excluding crashes/disconnections) out of nearly 1500, one at 5'3" to a strong GM, the other at 3'2" to "Chess-Network" rated around 2700 Lichess blitz, roughly "par" GM level. I would expect Anthony to win an occasional Rapid game if he played it that way, but it is almost unbeatable in blitz, and so far fully unbeatable in bullet. I note that he played all the games (I think) at g1 odds, never b1. Is that because you required it, or because he preferred it, or some other reason? I think it is the more difficult challenge of the two for the human.

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. I was thinking about the benefits of having a leaderboard of the best 100 humans playing against the LeelaKnight Odds computer. I remember some very wise considerations by Mr. Uri Blass, in the sense of having scores in accordance with time controls. Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have a question: If I am probably the one who currently has the best results in draws against the Odds, could this mean that I could be number one in the tables? I am not at any time giving my opinion regarding my human level of strength as a chess player, nor my standards of IQ or memory capacity, simply objective game results. Thank you again Mr. Larry Kaufman and team Leela for allowing me to compete, play and be happy. For example... even if I don't currently appear in the standings, it will bring me a lot of joy to know that I am the human with the best results in bullet playing against the Odds.

[lkaufman]

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. I was thinking about the benefits of having a leaderboard of the best 100 humans playing against the LeelaKnight Odds computer. I remember some very wise considerations by Mr. Uri Blass, in the sense of having scores in accordance with time controls. Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have a question: If I am probably the one who currently has the best results in draws against the Odds, could this mean that I could be number one in the tables? I am not at any time giving my opinion regarding my human level of strength as a chess player, nor my standards of IQ or memory capacity, simply objective game results. Thank you again Mr. Larry Kaufman and team Leela for allowing me to compete, play and be happy. For example... even if I don't currently appear in the standings, it will bring me a lot of joy to know that I am the human with the best results in bullet playing against the Odds.

For queen odds, probably your recent results put you in second place behind Joel Benjamin. For knight odds, you might actually be the leader if the same method is applied, because no one wins more than one game in a hundred or so, so draws are all anyone can get except perhaps at 30' +30" or so.

[Vinvin]

I note that he played all the games (I think) at g1 odds, never b1. Is that because you required it, or because he preferred it, or some other reason? I think it is the more difficult challenge of the two for the human.

He simply clicked the first link here : https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds

Other point, he was not happy it's so difficult to find all this odd bots.
Maybe you can put all the links in each bot each piece with each color, so, 10 links for the 3 bots.

Btw, the stream in VOD is here (French speaking) :

[lkaufman]

I note that he played all the games (I think) at g1 odds, never b1. Is that because you required it, or because he preferred it, or some other reason? I think it is the more difficult challenge of the two for the human.

He simply clicked the first link here : https://lichess.org/@/LeelaKnightOdds

Other point, he was not happy it's so difficult to find all this odd bots.
Maybe you can put all the links in each bot each piece with each color, so, 10 links for the 3 bots.

Btw, the stream in VOD is here (French speaking) :

Thanks. But the main bots (queen, rook, and knight) are all near the very top, as featured bots, next to each other. The only one that might be hard to find is "QueenForKnight", which is no longer featured due to lower demand. Can you explain the problem?

[Uri Blass]

Good morning Mr. Larry Kaufman. I was thinking about the benefits of having a leaderboard of the best 100 humans playing against the LeelaKnight Odds computer. I remember some very wise considerations by Mr. Uri Blass, in the sense of having scores in accordance with time controls. Mr. Larry Kaufman. I have a question: If I am probably the one who currently has the best results in draws against the Odds, could this mean that I could be number one in the tables? I am not at any time giving my opinion regarding my human level of strength as a chess player, nor my standards of IQ or memory capacity, simply objective game results. Thank you again Mr. Larry Kaufman and team Leela for allowing me to compete, play and be happy. For example... even if I don't currently appear in the standings, it will bring me a lot of joy to know that I am the human with the best results in bullet playing against the Odds.

For queen odds, probably your recent results put you in second place behind Joel Benjamin. For knight odds, you might actually be the leader if the same method is applied, because no one wins more than one game in a hundred or so, so draws are all anyone can get except perhaps at 30' +30" or so.

Joel Benjamin does not play bullet against the queen odds bot so Joel is not relevant for father's last statement:

"it will bring me a lot of joy to know that I am the human with the best results in bullet playing against the Odds."