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Aggressive Opening book?

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Hello

After seeing Patricia's games over the last few months, I wondered if anyone had/knew of an opening book specializing in aggressive openings for both sides. I am not looking to use it for engine matches but for my opening prep. Chessbase format would be best.

Thank you for the advice!
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I use an opening book called " Traps ctg " that was available years ago. It is a large book at 233meg.
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JManion wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:02 pm Hello

After seeing Patricia's games over the last few months, I wondered if anyone had/knew of an opening book specializing in aggressive openings for both sides. I am not looking to use it for engine matches but for my opening prep. Chessbase format would be best.

Thank you for the advice!
A small Gambit Openingbook for Patricia. Made of the Gambit files by J.Noomen (double lines were deleted, 1.f4, 1.b4 and 1.g4 werde deleted).

https://www.sp-cc.de/files/noomengambit_book.7z
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Jjaw wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:45 pm I use an opening book called " Traps ctg " that was available years ago. It is a large book at 233meg.
Thank You!
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pohl4711 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:18 am
JManion wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:02 pm Hello

After seeing Patricia's games over the last few months, I wondered if anyone had/knew of an opening book specializing in aggressive openings for both sides. I am not looking to use it for engine matches but for my opening prep. Chessbase format would be best.

Thank you for the advice!
A small Gambit Openingbook for Patricia. Made of the Gambit files by J.Noomen (double lines were deleted, 1.f4, 1.b4 and 1.g4 werde deleted).

https://www.sp-cc.de/files/noomengambit_book.7z

Thank You!
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I appreciate the advice. The gambit book was okay, but I am looking for aggressive lines but not as many gambits. The traps book sounds interesting since it is large and might cover openings I already play, but I have been unable to find it. If anyone could share it, I would appreciate it!
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JManion wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:46 am I appreciate the advice. The gambit book was okay, but I am looking for aggressive lines but not as many gambits. The traps book sounds interesting since it is large and might cover openings I already play, but I have been unable to find it. If anyone could share it, I would appreciate it!
Because Patricia itself plays so aggressive, the simple solution is IMHO, just to use a wide but shallow book (up to 6 moves or so) and let Patricia do the attack on her own from this early point of the game.

Some years ago, I made some (balanced) ultra-short (4 moves/8 plies) books. Perhaps, you try this out:
https://www.sp-cc.de/files/8_plies_book.zip

Here the ReadMe:
4 moves (8 plies) deep opening-lines.
Filtered out of BigDatabase 2018 (both players 2400 Elo or better (both players 2600 Elo or better for the small SuperGM-file))
No double endpositions = all endpositions are unique
Some strange lines with strange moves in ply 1 and 2 were deleted (1.a4 or 1...h5 for example)
All endpositions checked with Komodo 11.2.2 (45''/move, Quadcore, 2GB Hash) eval-interval [-0.40;+0.60] allowed - all other lines were sorted out.
SuperGM_4mvs-files: 2668 different lines/endpositions
IM_4mvs-files: 11172 different lines/endpositions (in the pgn/epd-files the SuperGM-lines are followed by the IM-lines)
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pohl4711 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:13 am
JManion wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:46 am I appreciate the advice. The gambit book was okay, but I am looking for aggressive lines but not as many gambits. The traps book sounds interesting since it is large and might cover openings I already play, but I have been unable to find it. If anyone could share it, I would appreciate it!
Because Patricia itself plays so aggressive, the simple solution is IMHO, just to use a wide but shallow book (up to 6 moves or so) and let Patricia do the attack on her own from this early point of the game.

Some years ago, I made some (balanced) ultra-short (4 moves/8 plies) books. Perhaps, you try this out:
https://www.sp-cc.de/files/8_plies_book.zip

Here the ReadMe:
4 moves (8 plies) deep opening-lines.
Filtered out of BigDatabase 2018 (both players 2400 Elo or better (both players 2600 Elo or better for the small SuperGM-file))
No double endpositions = all endpositions are unique
Some strange lines with strange moves in ply 1 and 2 were deleted (1.a4 or 1...h5 for example)
All endpositions checked with Komodo 11.2.2 (45''/move, Quadcore, 2GB Hash) eval-interval [-0.40;+0.60] allowed - all other lines were sorted out.
SuperGM_4mvs-files: 2668 different lines/endpositions
IM_4mvs-files: 11172 different lines/endpositions (in the pgn/epd-files the SuperGM-lines are followed by the IM-lines)
I agree that it doesn't make sense to force the engine to play lines it would hate to play itself.
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Re: Aggressive Opening book?

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The point is I am looking for an aggressive book for human chess. It does not matter if the computer likes the moves or not. The book with 4 moves deep will not be helpful for what I need.

I appreciate Pohl for all the work he does on his site. The aggressive engine list is fascinating.



Werewolf wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:44 am
pohl4711 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:13 am
JManion wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:46 am I appreciate the advice. The gambit book was okay, but I am looking for aggressive lines but not as many gambits. The traps book sounds interesting since it is large and might cover openings I already play, but I have been unable to find it. If anyone could share it, I would appreciate it!
Because Patricia itself plays so aggressive, the simple solution is IMHO, just to use a wide but shallow book (up to 6 moves or so) and let Patricia do the attack on her own from this early point of the game.

Some years ago, I made some (balanced) ultra-short (4 moves/8 plies) books. Perhaps, you try this out:
https://www.sp-cc.de/files/8_plies_book.zip

Here the ReadMe:
4 moves (8 plies) deep opening-lines.
Filtered out of BigDatabase 2018 (both players 2400 Elo or better (both players 2600 Elo or better for the small SuperGM-file))
No double endpositions = all endpositions are unique
Some strange lines with strange moves in ply 1 and 2 were deleted (1.a4 or 1...h5 for example)
All endpositions checked with Komodo 11.2.2 (45''/move, Quadcore, 2GB Hash) eval-interval [-0.40;+0.60] allowed - all other lines were sorted out.
SuperGM_4mvs-files: 2668 different lines/endpositions
IM_4mvs-files: 11172 different lines/endpositions (in the pgn/epd-files the SuperGM-lines are followed by the IM-lines)
I agree that it doesn't make sense to force the engine to play lines it would hate to play itself.
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JManion wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:08 am I appreciate Pohl for all the work he does on his site. The aggressive engine list is fascinating.
Thank you, much appreciated. I am very proud of my EAS-tool, which made this list (and Patricia & Rebel EAS/Extreme) possible.