Old chess computers nostalgia

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Emulator

The MMI book only contains 500 halfmoves, but I'm still surprised he doesn't have anything on Morra-gambit since he already plays Sicilian occasionally. I once pulled the whole thing out of him, he only has 17 variants that he plays for both sides. Unfortunately the write-up didn't survive my move, she was otherwise a pretty solid book, for the size.




This is what I wanted to see, he plays the gambit pretty well, that's why I sometimes have trouble pushing him, I can't do it like Stockfish. :)


I decided to torment him with more whites. I want to see some gambit, Albin, Budapest, Volga, Blumenfeld, Latvian, Jänisch... By the way, I took over this King's Indian from him at one time.
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Lexibook threw away a chance to win and eventually lost the tie. It reminds me of a hockey video where a player misses an empty net during the playoffs, the opponent equalizes on the counterattack and eventually wins.
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A weak but dramatic play. Lexibook got several chances to save a losing position, but - he would need a deeper calculation to do so.
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Here a popular, emulated unit of old against the CT800 in the dedicated unit Cortex-M4 microcontroller version at 30 min / game.

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The even more bizarre rematch:
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Goal! It's in. Honorable mention to Lexibook. He seems to have a slightly better chance in the closed position, where Mephisto can beat him.
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Score 9:1. Lexibook's going back in the box, I won't bother him anymore. Next Wednesday, MMI takes on another opponent. I plan to try Mephisto Mirage, Novag Constellation 3.6 and maybe a little more. I'm considering DGT Centaur (level friendly), some personality from chess.com (about 1600 ELO) and some level from Chess Titans from Windows. No more playing ten games, just two games and two more on a tie. When I finish the MMI memory test, MMII is next, followed by Supermondial.
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The next opponent will be Mephisto Mirage. A program by the same authors, a year newer, but from today's point of view it was a blind development branch. Today, according to wikipedia, it has a slightly worse ELO than the older MMI. Since I played three games with emulators before, it always had the same progress. MMI gained the advantage, probably winning, but Mirage eventually defended itself. So worse mid game, but better end game.
Mephisto Mirage - spaciousmind A pretty nasty idea is to evaluate the position in the hexadecimal system, perhaps to speed up the valuation function. I created an excel for this, the correct formula is perhaps:

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=(HEX2DEC(Mirage_position_value)-8*16*16*16)/256
- at least that's how I understood the manual.
I didn't own it before, but it's interesting to me because in 1985 it competed in the Open tournament in Prague, where it played I think 5/11 - people didn't know how to play with such computers back then, so it looked stronger than it really was. Novag Constellation 3.6 also played there with the result 4,5/11.

One of those experiments with emulators is actually on YouTube, level 7 and x10 acceleration was used.
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I didn't want to believe it too much, but it seems that the older MMI is actually more powerful than the newer Mirage. If there's a plot twist in the game, the Mirage loses the material! Probably some kind of search bug. Perhaps it's because I played many games with MM back in 1984, whereas I didn't start playing against Mirage occasionally until some three years ago when Franz Huber provided an emulator. Incidentally, Mirage did quite well at the 1985 tournament I mentioned, too; as I recall, the company had a demonstration room in one of the lounges there, and I lost one game to Mirage there then. However, I was a pretty weak junior in 1984, and even with that MMI at home I worked pretty hard - 11:10=3 games with a level 5 (to meet the 2h/50moves playing pace introduced in our country at that time).
Resuming on Sunday or maybe Monday and Novag Constellation 3.6 will come in.

Position after 19.Bg5. I'd be quite interested to see how older programs would handle this. Maybe it's not that hard, Tiger 14 got it right away and Fritz 5.32 in 1s. But the DOS stars would have to be tried. I didn't notice it while watching the game, but I was doing something else.
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Rubinus wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:41 pm Position after 19.Bg5. I'd be quite interested to see how older programs would handle this. Maybe it's not that hard, Tiger 14 got it right away and Fritz 5.32 in 1s. But the DOS stars would have to be tried. I didn't notice it while watching the game, but I was doing something else.
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M-Chess Pro 8 in DOS-Box by Franz Huber:
22 minutes, depth 10, before the move appears. So another 4 minutes before it lists it as the main variant.
---> I don't think he'd make it on tournament time.
The question is, how slow is it in the DOS box? I'd say it probably wouldn't be any faster on the Pentium I of the time.
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The colours are hideous, I'll have to retune them...

Probably quite an interesting position to practice calculus.