In professional shogi, when a game ends in a draw, another game is immediately played with reversed colors WITHOUT RESETTING THE CLOCKS. If necessary multiple games could be played until someone wins. As long as there is increment or delay or specified time per move after time runs out (as in pro shogi), the victory should still be decided on the board, as long as the players keep moving within the specified increment, delay, or time per move. Someone always wins, the draws just don't count. I don't see any reason that the same thing couldn't be done in chess, whether human or engine chess, but I have never heard of anyone running a chess event this way. Has anyone here ever heard of such a chess event?
Naturally there are some practical issues; for server play this type of time control would have to be implemented, presumably no one supports it now. For engine play, the programs would have to learn how to manage time for such events, perhaps simply by budgeting for maybe 200 moves instead of 40 or 50, for example.
This way of playing rewards the player who puts pressure (poses problems) on the opponent, because even if the game ends in a draw, if one player needs to take much more time to hold the draw, he will likely lose the next (or subsequent) game. The player who plays better is more likely to end up winning than with normal rules for this reason. This method is suitable for Classical, Rapid, or Blitz games, although the increment (or delay) should be short to keep the total length of the session reasonably predictable.
A further improvement for chess would be to not reverse colors for the third game only, so colors would be WBBWBWBWBW etc. With this rule it's not particularly obvious whether it's better to start with White or Black (probably depends mostly on draw percentage), so it's even a reasonable rule for a single "game" playoff.
For engine games, the increment should probably be just one second, so that once the players have used almost all of their base time playing a few draws the result will come down to one second increment play. That should insure a decisive result in a reasonable time, although perhaps with super hardware and ever-stronger engines even one second increment play might have too high a draw percentage, in which case the increment can be shortened further to whatever is needed to get some decisive results in a reasonable number of games. For human play, the increment should probably not go below 2 seconds to avoid games being decided by physical move time.
The shogi solution to draws in chess
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The shogi solution to draws in chess
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
Hi.
That might work for elite professional players, whose only income source is chess.
Amateur players (like me) do not have a draw problem.
Also, we arrive already tired from work to the tournaments... do not ask us to play extra games (remember: we lose money by joining tournaments, but we have a lot of fun).
Greetings.
That might work for elite professional players, whose only income source is chess.
Amateur players (like me) do not have a draw problem.
Also, we arrive already tired from work to the tournaments... do not ask us to play extra games (remember: we lose money by joining tournaments, but we have a lot of fun).
Greetings.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
But having fun by paying a fee to participate where most of of the money from lower rated players will be used to give higher rated players a big prize is NOT what I call having Fun.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
This is a proposal I remember being associated with Kasimdzhanov quite some time ago (although his initial idea was just to reset the clocks to progressively shorter TCs rather than keeping the time).
I think Maurice Ashley was interested in this "switch colors and keep the clock times" approach and held some events this way at the Marshall club, if I remember correctly.
I've always been fond of this idea, and it seems to be more tolerable to most players than some of the other common proposals, at least based on the discussions I've had with other players.
I think Maurice Ashley was interested in this "switch colors and keep the clock times" approach and held some events this way at the Marshall club, if I remember correctly.
I've always been fond of this idea, and it seems to be more tolerable to most players than some of the other common proposals, at least based on the discussions I've had with other players.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
I have said this before and it is a bit of an educated guess but maybe we are witnessing the end of the Bayeselo / Ordo system.
Consider this example:
Match SF vs Dragon, 10,000 games, result: won 100 | draw 9900 | loss 0 | 5050 - 4950 = 50.5% = 3 elo
With Bayeselo or Ordo both will be rated that way, right?
In reality SF is much stronger, never lost a game, but won 100.
Maybe we need a new elo formula in Bayeselo / Ordo .
Two suggestions
1. A win counts as 1½ or even 2 points, a draw remains ½ point
2. Skip all draws.
Option [2] can be done without a program change and I would love to see how the CEGT and CCRL list will look like.
Consider this example:
Match SF vs Dragon, 10,000 games, result: won 100 | draw 9900 | loss 0 | 5050 - 4950 = 50.5% = 3 elo
With Bayeselo or Ordo both will be rated that way, right?
In reality SF is much stronger, never lost a game, but won 100.
Maybe we need a new elo formula in Bayeselo / Ordo .
Two suggestions
1. A win counts as 1½ or even 2 points, a draw remains ½ point
2. Skip all draws.
Option [2] can be done without a program change and I would love to see how the CEGT and CCRL list will look like.
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
I suspect it would come down to Internet connection lag. Interesting proposal, nonetheless.lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:30 amFor engine games, the increment should probably be just one second, so that once the players have used almost all of their base time playing a few draws the result will come down to one second increment play. That should insure a decisive result in a reasonable time, although perhaps with super hardware and ever-stronger engines even one second increment play might have too high a draw percentage, in which case the increment can be shortened further to whatever is needed to get some decisive results in a reasonable number of games.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
Maybe they would have to play on chess.com or ICC where lag is accounted for. But that sort of makes the in-person event seem unnecessary.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:50 pmI suspect it would come down to Internet connection lag. Interesting proposal, nonetheless.lkaufman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:30 amFor engine games, the increment should probably be just one second, so that once the players have used almost all of their base time playing a few draws the result will come down to one second increment play. That should insure a decisive result in a reasonable time, although perhaps with super hardware and ever-stronger engines even one second increment play might have too high a draw percentage, in which case the increment can be shortened further to whatever is needed to get some decisive results in a reasonable number of games.
Komodo rules!
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
Not rating draws has been discussed and tried in the past, it even has a cute name - WILO. The ratings are of course much spread out, more and more so at the top, so the gap between best SF and Dragon in Rapid, which is currently six elo (CCRL four threads), might instead be 60 WILO or even much more.Rebel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:26 am I have said this before and it is a bit of an educated guess but maybe we are witnessing the end of the Bayeselo / Ordo system.
Consider this example:
Match SF vs Dragon, 10,000 games, result: won 100 | draw 9900 | loss 0 | 5050 - 4950 = 50.5% = 3 elo
With Bayeselo or Ordo both will be rated that way, right?
In reality SF is much stronger, never lost a game, but won 100.
Maybe we need a new elo formula in Bayeselo / Ordo .
Two suggestions
1. A win counts as 1½ or even 2 points, a draw remains ½ point
2. Skip all draws.
Option [2] can be done without a program change and I would love to see how the CEGT and CCRL list will look like.
Komodo rules!
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
The solution is simple enough I think:
1. Count draws towards final standings is okay...as a draw is a pretty natural outcome to most chess games.
2. Do NOT count draws when it comes to prize money payout.
#2 is the key. It would encourage even tail enders to play for a win...instead of riding out the tournament and hoping for a better situation in the next.
It would also encourage them to play more of their 'home cooking' later in tournaments as the result of a game would be what determines their share of the prize fund. Frankly, it would discourage late draws among tail enders as well.
You may well wan to keep a 'top prize' or 1st, 2nd, etc...but Those who win more will naturally finish towards the top of the standings so their final take home will take care of itself.those need to be kept to a minimum and/or small appearance fees (where those happen). The main thing is to reward fighting spirt.
I think Bronstein or someone once suggested or thought of the idea of paying based on the fighting spirt. This is a simple capitalistic way of doing the same thing.
Ex: a $100,000 prize fund. The final payout would remain in flux until the end in this zero-sum scenario. You might carve out 20% to be paid out in set place prizes (just coming up with numbers here, YMMV) and let the other 80% be up for grabs based on decisive games...straight till the final move of the final game.
1. Count draws towards final standings is okay...as a draw is a pretty natural outcome to most chess games.
2. Do NOT count draws when it comes to prize money payout.
#2 is the key. It would encourage even tail enders to play for a win...instead of riding out the tournament and hoping for a better situation in the next.
It would also encourage them to play more of their 'home cooking' later in tournaments as the result of a game would be what determines their share of the prize fund. Frankly, it would discourage late draws among tail enders as well.
You may well wan to keep a 'top prize' or 1st, 2nd, etc...but Those who win more will naturally finish towards the top of the standings so their final take home will take care of itself.those need to be kept to a minimum and/or small appearance fees (where those happen). The main thing is to reward fighting spirt.
I think Bronstein or someone once suggested or thought of the idea of paying based on the fighting spirt. This is a simple capitalistic way of doing the same thing.
Ex: a $100,000 prize fund. The final payout would remain in flux until the end in this zero-sum scenario. You might carve out 20% to be paid out in set place prizes (just coming up with numbers here, YMMV) and let the other 80% be up for grabs based on decisive games...straight till the final move of the final game.
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Re: The shogi solution to draws in chess
This is from an old GRL database removing all draws, I like it a lot.
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%) OppAvg
1 Stockfish_14.1 : 4302.6 75.2 1768.0 1800 98 77 1768 0 32 0 3561.2
2 Stockfish_21-10-06 : 4270.7 39.2 1212.0 1238 98 100 1212 0 26 0 3521.3
3 Stockfish_14 : 4190.9 31.9 2787.0 2890 96 90 2787 0 103 0 3465.6
4 Stockfish_13 : 4151.7 50.8 1915.0 2010 95 95 1915 0 95 0 3443.5
5 Stockfish_21-05-18 : 4098.8 68.0 617.0 652 95 93 617 0 35 0 3387.9
6 Komodo-Dragon_2.5 : 4045.7 32.3 1572.0 1804 87 100 1572 0 232 0 3613.2
7 Stockfish_12 : 3951.9 31.8 1222.0 1438 85 100 1222 0 216 0 3505.9
8 Komodo-Dragon_2 : 3867.8 11.6 2890.0 3465 83 77 2890 0 575 0 3493.3
9 Lc0_v28 : 3856.1 32.2 335.0 487 69 71 335 0 152 0 3678.6
10 Komodo-Dragon : 3839.6 38.3 1317.0 1637 80 100 1317 0 320 0 3480.4
11 Lc0-v27 : 3703.0 50.8 307.0 412 75 76 307 0 105 0 3484.9
12 Chess-System-Tal-NNUE-1.26 : 3681.4 25.7 493.0 778 63 51 493 0 285 0 3575.3
13 Berserk_8 : 3681.0 35.5 463.0 745 62 75 463 0 282 0 3591.0
14 Stockfish_11 : 3662.7 41.0 518.0 736 70 89 518 0 218 0 3490.1
15 Koivisto_7.9 : 3643.3 20.4 637.0 1186 54 68 637 0 549 0 3646.0
16 Koivisto_7.5 : 3633.3 32.2 575.0 1054 55 84 575 0 479 0 3638.0
17 Stockfish_10 : 3614.1 18.9 1192.0 1989 60 62 1192 0 797 0 3541.1
18 SlowChess_2.8 : 3608.7 24.6 667.0 1264 53 60 667 0 597 0 3620.0
19 Koivisto_7.2 : 3604.9 17.3 553.0 1089 51 53 553 0 536 0 3652.2
20 Koivisto_7.0 : 3604.3 16.3 702.0 1323 53 100 702 0 621 0 3620.3
21 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3541.9 13.8 1344.0 2930 46 84 1344 0 1586 0 3627.5
22 Berserk_7 : 3535.5 12.7 461.0 1044 44 64 461 0 583 0 3586.5
23 Koivisto_6.16 : 3530.0 28.1 539.0 1466 37 53 539 0 927 0 3745.6
24 Koivisto_6.23 : 3528.8 22.2 511.0 1176 43 79 511 0 665 0 3660.9
25 Stockfish_9 : 3520.1 13.6 973.0 1683 58 100 973 0 710 0 3460.6
26 Ethereal_13-NNUE : 3491.5 11.5 826.0 1986 42 58 826 0 1160 0 3666.2
27 SlowChess_2.7 : 3489.7 14.2 628.0 1936 32 96 628 0 1308 0 3722.2
28 Komodo_14 : 3469.2 24.1 654.0 1573 42 51 654 0 919 0 3567.7
29 SlowChess_2.6 : 3468.9 18.7 817.0 2203 37 65 817 0 1386 0 3690.0
30 Berserk_6 : 3462.9 25.0 604.0 995 61 85 604 0 391 0 3386.5
31 Seer_2.4.0 : 3440.8 31.0 478.0 747 64 51 478 0 269 0 3341.2
32 RubiChess_2.2 : 3440.3 14.7 1089.0 3133 35 95 1089 0 2044 0 3632.1
33 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3427.3 15.2 920.0 1782 52 97 920 0 862 0 3472.8
34 Toga4_1.1 : 3406.7 21.2 470.0 650 72 61 470 0 180 0 3238.3
35 Komodo_12 : 3401.2 36.9 407.0 775 53 53 407 0 368 0 3385.5
36 h6 : 3400.0 6.7 955.0 1966 49 54 955 0 1011 0 3499.8
37 Stockfish_8 : 3398.1 35.1 504.0 896 56 70 504 0 392 0 3354.7
38 RubiChess_2.1 : 3389.8 12.6 671.0 2528 27 100 671 0 1857 0 3722.3
39 SlowChess_2.5 : 3367.1 14.5 646.0 2037 32 99 646 0 1391 0 3596.1
40 Ethereal_12.75 : 3348.2 11.7 641.0 2209 29 52 641 0 1568 0 3614.2
41 Arasan_23.0.1 : 3347.5 21.3 411.0 629 65 54 411 0 218 0 3236.6
42 Berserk_5 : 3345.6 20.5 655.0 1110 59 55 655 0 455 0 3282.7
43 Pedone_3.1 : 3344.3 6.2 1257.0 3629 35 58 1257 0 2372 0 3515.9
44 Komodo_11 : 3342.3 19.2 637.0 1294 49 64 637 0 657 0 3351.3
45 Arasan_23.2 : 3338.5 24.9 386.0 804 48 52 386 0 418 0 3353.9
46 Rebel_14.2 : 3337.2 20.8 391.0 612 64 67 391 0 221 0 3237.9
47 Igel_3.0.5 : 3330.2 23.2 858.0 3304 26 60 858 0 2446 0 3592.8
48 Ethereal_12.25 : 3324.8 32.1 214.0 700 31 58 214 0 486 0 3633.4
49 Ethereal_12.50 : 3321.1 26.1 295.0 666 44 85 295 0 371 0 3418.6
50 SlowChess_2.4 : 3302.5 33.7 267.0 719 37 60 267 0 452 0 3529.6
51 Igel_3.0.0 : 3292.6 57.5 111.0 534 21 53 111 0 423 0 3681.9
52 Ethereal_12.00 : 3290.6 15.4 571.0 1476 39 57 571 0 905 0 3463.6
53 Seer_2.3.0 : 3288.1 23.0 558.0 1079 52 50 558 0 521 0 3279.3
54 Marvin_5.2 : 3288.0 17.0 762.0 1199 64 52 762 0 437 0 3187.5
55 Zahak_9.0 : 3286.9 25.5 821.0 1308 63 78 821 0 487 0 3193.6
56 Koivisto_4.83 : 3277.4 22.2 750.0 1059 71 54 750 0 309 0 3117.0
57 Berserk_4.5.0 : 3275.6 26.2 527.0 1055 50 59 527 0 528 0 3278.1
58 Stockfish_7 : 3273.0 29.9 386.0 726 53 54 386 0 340 0 3252.8
59 Nemorino_6.00 : 3271.2 17.2 888.0 2748 32 75 888 0 1860 0 3496.0
60 Minic_3.17 : 3260.6 30.5 546.0 895 61 56 546 0 349 0 3182.5
61 Pedone_3.0 : 3258.7 16.4 719.0 1439 50 56 719 0 720 0 3259.2
62 Seer_2.2.0 : 3256.1 32.9 488.0 900 54 55 488 0 412 0 3227.0
63 Weiss_2.0 : 3254.5 17.8 965.0 1813 53 70 965 0 848 0 3233.1
64 Komodo_10 : 3250.2 22.4 571.0 1378 41 78 571 0 807 0 3319.2
65 Berserk_4.4.0 : 3242.0 17.7 377.0 759 50 72 377 0 382 0 3245.9
66 Stockfish_5 : 3235.1 15.2 1006.0 1875 54 88 1006 0 869 0 3210.6
67 Booot_6.5 : 3223.0 17.0 1228.0 3951 31 53 1228 0 2723 0 3450.7
68 Minic_3.16 : 3222.1 22.3 451.0 779 58 52 451 0 328 0 3167.2
69 rofChade_2.3 : 3221.6 12.7 1285.0 3941 33 52 1285 0 2656 0 3428.5
70 Berserk_4.3.0 : 3221.0 31.8 769.0 1496 51 69 769 0 727 0 3212.7
71 Stash_32.0 : 3212.3 18.7 426.0 894 48 64 426 0 468 0 3233.2
72 Clover_2.4 : 3207.1 20.8 1181.0 2443 48 62 1181 0 1262 0 3221.6
73 Danasah_9.0 : 3203.4 16.5 617.0 1048 59 51 617 0 431 0 3140.3
74 Stockfish_6 : 3202.8 36.0 397.0 909 44 51 397 0 512 0 3249.9
75 Wasp_5.00 : 3202.4 30.5 362.0 727 50 56 362 0 365 0 3204.4
76 Arasan_23.1 : 3197.2 43.3 191.0 598 32 56 191 0 407 0 3331.8
77 Seer_2.1.0 : 3193.3 20.9 1187.0 2409 49 98 1187 0 1222 0 3199.4
78 Minic_3.14 : 3168.2 29.9 552.0 1104 50 50 552 0 552 0 3169.7
79 Lzero_v28 : 3168.2 21.1 511.0 975 52 52 511 0 464 0 3152.2
80 Arasan_22.3 : 3167.3 24.0 668.0 1047 64 57 668 0 379 0 3064.0
81 Minic_3.13 : 3164.9 13.5 819.0 1451 56 87 819 0 632 0 3119.2
82 Weiss_1.4 : 3157.8 14.7 1167.0 2443 48 71 1167 0 1276 0 3175.2
83 Stash_31.0 : 3153.1 11.2 1409.0 2702 52 55 1409 0 1293 0 3136.7
84 Halogen_10 : 3152.3 13.8 2043.0 4019 51 59 2043 0 1976 0 3146.1
85 Critter_1.6 : 3150.0 6.7 907.0 1523 60 51 907 0 616 0 3072.8
86 Toga_III-03.12 : 3149.6 22.8 559.0 968 58 61 559 0 409 0 3094.5
87 Invictus_r382 : 3143.5 35.9 272.0 390 70 55 272 0 118 0 2995.6
88 Berserk_4.2.0 : 3141.4 21.7 951.0 1661 57 53 951 0 710 0 3087.4
89 Beef_0.3.6 : 3139.9 20.1 925.0 1786 52 52 925 0 861 0 3126.5
90 Wasp_4.50 : 3139.4 17.1 1430.0 3267 44 67 1430 0 1837 0 3186.3
91 Seer_2.0.1 : 3134.2 18.0 1350.0 2354 57 76 1350 0 1004 0 3079.3
92 Demolito_2021-09-30 : 3129.2 11.5 458.0 1062 43 69 458 0 604 0 3179.5
93 Combusken_1.4.0 : 3124.4 16.4 930.0 1673 56 65 930 0 743 0 3083.6
94 Counter_4.0 : 3117.5 31.5 483.0 922 52 52 483 0 439 0 3100.9
95 Lzero_v27 : 3116.8 23.4 655.0 1086 60 55 655 0 431 0 3040.1
96 Winter_0.9 : 3115.4 14.8 760.0 1399 54 58 760 0 639 0 3082.8
97 Marvin_5.1 : 3113.4 18.1 1144.0 2138 54 52 1144 0 994 0 3086.7
98 Zahak_8.0 : 3112.5 17.0 608.0 1441 42 68 608 0 833 0 3169.0
99 Clover_2.3.1 : 3106.2 16.4 1185.0 2200 54 78 1185 0 1015 0 3078.9
100 Mr_Bob_1.1.0 : 3100.1 16.4 751.0 1305 58 55 751 0 554 0 3044.9
101 Minic_3.04 : 3098.5 28.3 272.0 482 56 57 272 0 210 0 3052.0
102 Drofa_3.2.0 : 3095.7 16.7 548.0 911 60 67 548 0 363 0 3022.2
103 Danasah_8.8 : 3091.6 19.7 872.0 1703 51 51 872 0 831 0 3082.4
104 Clover_2.2 : 3091.1 33.9 472.0 838 56 57 472 0 366 0 3044.9
105 Seer_2.0.0 : 3087.8 29.9 425.0 646 66 59 425 0 221 0 2967.9
106 Stash_30.0 : 3084.0 18.5 752.0 1497 50 68 752 0 745 0 3081.9
107 Berserk_4.1.0 : 3079.0 25.1 747.0 1363 55 81 747 0 616 0 3044.2
108 Weiss_1.3 : 3069.3 20.7 989.0 1819 54 57 989 0 830 0 3036.6
109 Minic_3.08 : 3067.3 19.7 480.0 989 49 55 480 0 509 0 3077.6
110 Velvet_3.1.0 : 3065.5 28.6 555.0 873 64 54 555 0 318 0 2967.8
111 Counter_3.9 : 3063.8 26.1 335.0 623 54 73 335 0 288 0 3036.8
112 Minic_3.07 : 3054.2 16.7 403.0 732 55 66 403 0 329 0 3017.7
113 BitGenie_9 : 3048.2 19.4 498.0 872 57 74 498 0 374 0 2997.3
114 Stash_29.0 : 3040.3 11.4 407.0 889 46 55 407 0 482 0 3070.8
115 Berserk_3.3.0 : 3039.2 12.8 407.0 531 77 74 407 0 124 0 2816.0
116 Orion_0.8 : 3030.3 16.9 942.0 2318 41 54 942 0 1376 0 3100.0
117 Bagatur_2.3 : 3028.3 30.3 369.0 641 58 59 369 0 272 0 2975.0
118 Minic_3.06 : 3025.0 19.1 439.0 905 49 54 439 0 466 0 3036.4
119 Berserk_4.0.0 : 3023.7 16.1 430.0 831 52 59 430 0 401 0 3011.5
120 Arasan_22.2 : 3019.1 34.3 156.0 637 24 51 156 0 481 0 3234.6
121 Minic_3.09 : 3018.5 17.4 431.0 1166 37 50 431 0 735 0 3113.4
122 Invictus_r340 : 3018.5 20.1 560.0 843 66 51 560 0 283 0 2894.3
123 Vajolet2_2.8 : 3018.2 21.2 214.0 488 44 54 214 0 274 0 3063.2
124 Monolith_2 : 3016.1 30.7 441.0 897 49 66 441 0 456 0 3022.2
125 Velvet_3.0.0 : 3007.6 25.2 528.0 760 69 53 528 0 232 0 2861.6
126 Marvin_5.0 : 3006.6 14.0 778.0 2109 37 53 778 0 1331 0 3104.9
127 Minic_3.04x : 3005.7 24.7 431.0 1222 35 52 431 0 791 0 3113.9
128 RubiChess_2.0 : 3004.8 25.8 75.0 633 12 62 75 0 558 0 3497.7
129 Pirarucu_3.5.5 : 3000.7 24.2 310.0 622 50 87 310 0 312 0 3002.8
130 Rodent_4.022 : 2983.1 22.8 419.0 925 45 55 419 0 506 0 3017.0
131 Koivisto_4.0 : 2980.3 39.7 256.0 691 37 52 256 0 435 0 3076.8
132 Wasp_2.01 : 2978.9 17.5 567.0 926 61 54 567 0 359 0 2896.7
133 Cheng_4.41 : 2977.6 14.4 988.0 2219 45 59 988 0 1231 0 3017.3
134 Wasp_2.00 : 2973.8 29.8 649.0 1087 60 56 649 0 438 0 2903.1
135 Amoeba_3.3 : 2971.5 14.4 1138.0 2423 47 55 1138 0 1285 0 2993.3
136 Counter_3.8 : 2969.8 20.1 675.0 1734 39 67 675 0 1059 0 3051.1
137 FabChess_1.16 : 2966.8 9.5 1173.0 2469 48 93 1173 0 1296 0 2985.4
138 Tucano_9.0 : 2947.7 23.4 788.0 1817 43 57 788 0 1029 0 2995.5
139 Seer_1.2.1 : 2944.8 18.3 280.0 700 40 52 280 0 420 0 3019.4
140 Wasp_1.25 : 2944.0 15.6 506.0 912 55 58 506 0 406 0 2904.0
141 Drofa_3.1.0 : 2942.0 15.0 501.0 1084 46 52 501 0 583 0 2969.6
142 Mr.Bob_1.0.0 : 2941.5 19.6 919.0 2083 44 54 919 0 1164 0 2985.3
143 Zahak_7.0 : 2940.1 19.2 393.0 724 54 51 393 0 331 0 2908.5
144 Topple_0.8.0 : 2939.8 11.9 831.0 2449 34 90 831 0 1618 0 3061.3
145 Counter_3.7 : 2927.6 21.2 487.0 1401 35 66 487 0 914 0 3043.2
146 Cheng_4.40 : 2921.8 13.1 837.0 1885 44 72 837 0 1048 0 2963.3
147 Komodo_1.0 : 2912.8 19.1 629.0 1238 51 90 629 0 609 0 2906.8
148 Asymptote_0.8 : 2888.4 21.8 787.0 1773 44 68 787 0 986 0 2927.2
149 Wasp_1.02 : 2881.1 22.8 457.0 959 48 57 457 0 502 0 2897.3
150 BitGenie_8 : 2877.7 25.7 704.0 1339 53 92 704 0 635 0 2858.4
151 Drofa_3.0.0 : 2857.1 15.8 1269.0 2535 50 64 1269 0 1266 0 2855.1
152 Black-Marlin_1.0 : 2851.9 26.9 467.0 843 55 55 467 0 376 0 2812.3
153 Nemo_1.01 : 2850.0 6.7 1109.0 2855 39 70 1109 0 1746 0 2900.3
154 Velvet_2.0.0 : 2846.4 13.3 803.0 1472 55 59 803 0 669 0 2812.6
155 Olithink_5.9.5 : 2842.4 30.1 304.0 660 46 74 304 0 356 0 2871.7
156 Cheese_2.2 : 2834.4 13.7 1198.0 2462 49 66 1198 0 1264 0 2844.0
157 Olithink_5.9.8 : 2829.4 18.8 620.0 1562 40 51 620 0 942 0 2904.3
158 Olithink_5.9.9 : 2829.1 22.8 395.0 926 43 89 395 0 531 0 2883.2
159 Benjamin_1.1 : 2809.1 19.7 480.0 883 54 75 480 0 403 0 2775.4
160 Arasan_16.0 : 2802.4 21.7 453.0 765 59 51 453 0 312 0 2734.6
161 Olithink_5.9.3 : 2802.0 22.0 439.0 964 46 70 439 0 525 0 2832.7
162 GreKo_2021-08 : 2795.0 19.1 535.0 1048 51 52 535 0 513 0 2784.9
163 Nalwald_1.14 : 2794.4 17.5 544.0 1204 45 56 544 0 660 0 2827.4
164 Zahak_6.0 : 2792.0 27.9 593.0 1194 50 52 593 0 601 0 2792.7
165 Shallow_v4 : 2791.0 24.3 443.0 1024 43 53 443 0 581 0 2837.4
166 Mantissa_2.5.0 : 2789.5 26.2 521.0 906 58 68 521 0 385 0 2733.6
167 ProDeo_3.1 : 2780.7 22.3 686.0 1494 46 80 686 0 808 0 2810.9
168 BitGenie_7 : 2770.0 12.2 777.0 1470 53 78 777 0 693 0 2746.5
169 Nalwald_1.10 : 2761.2 22.5 487.0 897 54 58 487 0 410 0 2728.6
170 Colossus_2021b : 2758.2 24.4 407.0 863 47 69 407 0 456 0 2775.6
171 Benjamin_1.0 : 2749.1 21.2 931.0 1699 55 53 931 0 768 0 2707.0
172 Velvet_1.2.0 : 2748.2 18.0 797.0 1597 50 51 797 0 800 0 2744.7
173 Nalwald_1.11 : 2748.0 22.9 818.0 1937 42 52 818 0 1119 0 2802.5
174 k2_099 : 2747.5 16.9 954.0 1760 54 51 954 0 806 0 2711.8
175 Orion_07 : 2747.1 21.9 806.0 1653 49 71 806 0 847 0 2753.8
176 Dumb_1.8 : 2740.4 18.7 980.0 1854 53 66 980 0 874 0 2714.4
177 Zahak_5.0 : 2735.5 19.4 1152.0 2015 57 62 1152 0 863 0 2680.8
178 ProDeo_2.2 : 2731.5 23.2 517.0 1085 48 86 517 0 568 0 2746.1
179 Colossus_2021a : 2717.0 21.8 327.0 745 44 90 327 0 418 0 2757.2
180 Supernova_2.3 : 2703.2 17.4 950.0 1898 50 55 950 0 948 0 2697.4
181 ProDeo_3.0 : 2701.6 26.4 245.0 782 31 55 245 0 537 0 2849.2
182 Fruit_2.1 : 2700.0 6.7 1029.0 2187 47 58 1029 0 1158 0 2728.0
183 Fridolin_3.10 : 2697.9 18.7 495.0 960 52 69 495 0 465 0 2678.7
184 Supernova_2.4 : 2692.5 18.3 501.0 1105 45 63 501 0 604 0 2723.1
185 Nalwald_1.9 : 2686.0 31.9 402.0 746 54 67 402 0 344 0 2654.1
186 Orion_06 : 2675.3 26.7 352.0 669 53 59 352 0 317 0 2654.5
187 BitGenie_6 : 2670.2 29.7 637.0 961 66 51 637 0 324 0 2535.8
188 Monolith_0.4 : 2669.7 21.3 543.0 1036 52 76 543 0 493 0 2649.9
189 Myrddin_0.88 : 2655.4 35.3 699.0 1052 66 62 699 0 353 0 2527.5
190 Knightx_2.8 : 2649.4 21.3 388.0 961 40 57 388 0 573 0 2715.7
191 Lozza_2.0a : 2645.7 33.9 515.0 857 60 50 515 0 342 0 2567.7
192 Arasan_14.1 : 2645.4 45.2 138.0 289 48 79 138 0 151 0 2659.6
193 Zevra_2.4-r380 : 2623.3 30.5 363.0 987 37 64 363 0 624 0 2716.2
194 Zahak_4.0 : 2617.0 23.8 943.0 1497 63 54 943 0 554 0 2513.4
195 Galjoen_0.41.2 : 2615.6 25.3 351.0 728 48 66 351 0 377 0 2624.6
196 MadChess_3.0 : 2607.6 31.6 296.0 783 38 50 296 0 487 0 2692.3
197 Arasan_12.2 : 2607.6 25.7 392.0 668 59 53 392 0 276 0 2539.7
198 Jumbo_0.7.0 : 2606.4 32.4 343.0 769 45 53 343 0 426 0 2642.2
199 Galjoen_0.41.1 : 2604.8 26.6 738.0 1372 54 61 738 0 634 0 2572.3
200 Orion_05 : 2598.9 26.2 515.0 967 53 71 515 0 452 0 2570.4
201 Arasan_13.0 : 2583.4 51.7 114.0 308 37 53 114 0 194 0 2674.2
202 Nalwald_1.8.1 : 2581.3 29.3 494.0 845 58 89 494 0 351 0 2512.4
203 Monolith_0.3 : 2564.3 25.5 931.0 1789 52 70 931 0 858 0 2541.7
204 Jumbo_0.6.10 : 2556.6 24.4 801.0 1572 51 99 801 0 771 0 2541.7
205 CT800_1.43 : 2533.0 19.8 515.0 963 53 67 515 0 448 0 2498.1
206 Marvin_2.0 : 2526.3 36.3 241.0 573 42 72 241 0 332 0 2578.0
207 Loki_3.5.0 : 2518.5 22.6 508.0 1114 46 53 508 0 606 0 2545.0
208 Foxsee_7.20.1 : 2517.4 21.1 768.0 1674 46 60 768 0 906 0 2540.9
209 Orion_04 : 2514.1 28.8 648.0 1371 47 99 648 0 723 0 2528.1
210 CT800_1.42 : 2481.4 33.2 811.0 2130 38 56 811 0 1319 0 2568.0
211 BitGenie_5.h64 : 2479.7 32.5 340.0 691 49 74 340 0 351 0 2480.4
212 Jumbo_0.5.3 : 2468.0 26.0 578.0 1476 39 95 578 0 898 0 2543.3
213 MinimalChess_06 : 2431.5 39.0 273.0 767 36 76 273 0 494 0 2530.9
214 Foxsee_7.8 : 2420.1 32.8 279.0 1081 26 66 279 0 802 0 2619.7
215 Zahak_3.0 : 2412.0 26.7 341.0 858 40 97 341 0 517 0 2484.1
216 Orion_03 : 2388.6 28.2 330.0 1050 31 100 330 0 720 0 2527.7
217 BitGenie_5 : 2280.7 34.1 203.0 881 23 --- 203 0 678 0 2490.0
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