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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:56 pm FINALLY I got it right I had to do a Smart Defrag followed by Registry cleanner CCleaner and I reinstalled your latest version of sargon...
LOL. Our beloved chessqueen. You should even try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM to double the hash memory of your engines.
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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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RubiChess wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:56 pm FINALLY I got it right I had to do a Smart Defrag followed by Registry cleanner CCleaner and I reinstalled your latest version of sargon...
LOL. Our beloved chessqueen. You should even try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM to double the hash memory of your engines.
Thanks, but SoftRam is nothing but a SCAM search it on youtube.com, I just found my old Novag Turquoise computer in one of my Moving boxes when I moved 18 year ago and decided to match it against sargon-engine Depth6 and I also set Novag to play at Depth6 here is the result of the first game. I forgot what the rating of my Novag Turquoise is, but they are both playing at the same depth anyway ? :roll:

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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:11 pm
RubiChess wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:56 pm FINALLY I got it right I had to do a Smart Defrag followed by Registry cleanner CCleaner and I reinstalled your latest version of sargon...
LOL. Our beloved chessqueen. You should even try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM to double the hash memory of your engines.
Thanks, but SoftRam is nothing but a SCAM search it on youtube.com
That's what I wanted to express. Like it is scam to blame your registry or a fragmented disk for running the wrong version of Sargon and complaining about the repetition bug still not fixed.

But you failed to understand. Again.
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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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RubiChess wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:41 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:11 pm
RubiChess wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:35 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:56 pm FINALLY I got it right I had to do a Smart Defrag followed by Registry cleanner CCleaner and I reinstalled your latest version of sargon...
LOL. Our beloved chessqueen. You should even try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftRAM to double the hash memory of your engines.
Thanks, but SoftRam is nothing but a SCAM search it on youtube.com
That's what I wanted to express. Like it is scam to blame your registry or a fragmented disk for running the wrong version of Sargon and complaining about the repetition bug still not fixed.

But you failed to understand. Again.
It could be that some old registry that I left was messing the newer version of sargon, but I was using the newer version since Bill posted it, that is why I posted that I got it from the link that he provided. Well I really do NOT know why it was acting like that; but now it is fixed and sargon on my computer is beating my old Novag Turquoise here is the 3rd game, the 2nd game was a draw with insufficient material to win with two Knights against Novag Turquoise, sargon wanted to play forever with its two knights but I stopped it knowing that it was a dead draw :roll: :mrgreen:

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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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I found some information about Novag Turquoise, which is the same program as Wchess Uci where can I download Wchess Uci ?
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 7&start=70
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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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AdminX wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 pm Confirmed, Cdrill is just to strong for Sargon v.1


At Depth6 Sargon is stronger than CDrill 1800 so far the score is 2 win o loss 1 draw in favor of sargon

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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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So far the score 4 win 3 loss 1 draw in favor of Cdrill_1798, Not bad for sargon at Depth 6

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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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The new Challenge to sargon is shallowBlue rated 1711


[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Sargon-engineDepth7"]
[Black "Shallowblue_x86-64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1711"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Opening "Owen Defence"]
[Time "08:08:22"]
[WhiteElo "1740"]
[TimeControl "0+120"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 b6 2. Nc3 {(Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6 d2-d4 Ng8-f6 d4-d5 Nc6-b4 Bc1-e3) +0.75/7
128} Nc6 {(Nb8-c6 d2-d4 e7-e6 d4-d5 e6xd5 e4xd5 Qd8-e7+ Ng1-e2) -0.89/8
120} 3. Nf3 {(Ng1-f3 Bc8-b7 Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6 O-O Nc6-a5 Qd1-e2) +0.75/7 170}
e5 {(e7-e5 d2-d4 e5xd4 Nf3xd4 Bf8-b4 Nd4-f5 Bb4xc3+ b2xc3) -0.98/8 79} 4.
Bc4 {(Bf1-c4 Bc8-b7 d2-d4 e5xd4 Nf3xd4 Qd8-f6 Bc1-e3) +0.75/7 146} Bc5
{(Bf8-c5 a2-a3 Ng8-f6 b2-b4 Bc5-d6 d2-d4 O-O) -0.52/7 120} 5. d3 {(d2-d3
Ng8-f6 Bc1-e3 Bc5-b4 Ke1-d2 d7-d5 Bc4-b5) +0.75/7 219} Nf6 {(Ng8-f6 Nc3-d5
h7-h6 O-O d7-d6 Bc1-e3 Bc5xe3) -0.47/7 90} 6. Be3 {(Bc1-e3 Bc5xe3 f2xe3 O-O
Ke1-d2 Bc8-b7 d3-d4) +1.12/7 306} Bxe3 {(Bc5xe3 f2xe3 Qd8-e7 Nc3-d5 Qe7-d6
O-O O-O a2-a3) -0.20/8 81} 7. fxe3 {(f2xe3 O-O O-O a7-a6 d3-d4 e5xd4 e3xd4)
+0.75/7 196} O-O {(O-O d3-d4 d7-d6 d4-d5 Nc6-e7 O-O a7-a6) -0.21/7 55} 8.
O-O {(O-O Bc8-b7 d3-d4 e5xd4 e3xd4 Nc6-a5 Qd1-e2) +0.75/7 352} d6 {(d7-d6
d3-d4 Bc8-g4 d4-d5 Nc6-b4 Qd1-d2 a7-a5 a2-a3) -0.16/8 62} 9. Ng5 {(Nf3-g5
h7-h6 Ng5xf7 Rf8xf7 Bc4xf7+ Kg8xf7 a2-a4) +0.75/7 342} Bg4 {(Bc8-g4 Qd1-d2
h7-h6 Ng5-f3 Bg4xf3 Rf1xf3 a7-a6) +0.22/7 90} 10. Nxf7 {(Ng5xf7 Rf8xf7
Bc4xf7+ Kg8-f8 Qd1-e1 Kf8xf7 Qe1-h4) +0.75/7 317} Rxf7 {(Rf8xf7 Bc4xf7+
Kg8-f8 Qd1xg4 Nf6xg4 Bf7-d5+ Kf8-e7 Rf1-f7+) -0.38/8 90} 11. Bxf7+
{(Bc4xf7+ Kg8-f8 Qd1xg4 Nf6xg4 Bf7-d5+ Kf8-e7 Bd5xc6) +0.25/7 169} Kf8
{(Kg8-f8 Qd1xg4 Nf6xg4 Bf7-d5+ Kf8-e7 Rf1-f7+ Ke7-e8 Rf7xg7 Ng4xe3) -0.73/9
54} 12. Qe1 {(Qd1-e1 Kf8xf7 Nc3-d5 Kf7-g6 h2-h3 Bg4-e6 Nd5xf6) 0.00/7 189}
Kxf7 {(Kf8xf7 Nc3-d5 a7-a6 Qe1-g3 Bg4-e6 Nd5xf6 g7xf6 Rf1-d1) +0.09/8 55}
13. Nd5 {(Nc3-d5 Kf7-g6 Qe1-g3 Kg6-h5 Qg3-f2 Nf6xd5 e4xd5) +0.37/7 350} Be6
{(Bg4-e6 Nd5xf6 g7xf6 Qe1-h4 Qd8-h8 Qh4-h5+ Kf7-g8) +0.15/7 75} 14. Qc3
{(Qe1-c3 Be6-d7 a2-a4 Kf7-g6 Qc3-c4 a7-a5 Nd5xf6) 0.00/7 268} Bxd5 {(Be6xd5
e4xd5 Nc6-e7 e3-e4 Kf7-g8 Ra1-e1 a7-a6 d3-d4) +0.37/8 45} 15. exd5 {(e4xd5
Nc6-e7 e3-e4 Kf7-g6 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d7 Re1-e2) +0.37/7 220} Ne7 {(Nc6-e7 Qc3-c4
a7-a6 e3-e4 b6-b5 Qc4-b4 h7-h6 d3-d4) +0.53/8 51} 16. e4 Kg6 {(Kf7-g6
Ra1-b1 b6-b5 Qc3-b3 c7-c6 d5xc6 Qd8-b6+ Rf1-f2) +0.75/7 123} 17. d4 {(d3-d4
e5xd4 Qc3xd4 Kg6-f7 a2-a4 Ne7-g6 h2-h3 Ng6-e5) +0.15/8 86} exd4 {(e5xd4
Qc3-g3+ Kg6-f7 Ra1-d1 c7-c5 Rd1-d3 b6-b5) +0.25/7 139} 18. Qd3 {(Qc3-d3
Kg6-f7 Qd3xd4 h7-h5 a2-a4 h5-h4 Rf1-e1) +0.14/7 80} Kh5 {(Kg6-h5 Qd3xd4
c7-c6 e4-e5 d6xe5 Qd4xe5+ Kh5-g6) +0.37/7 593} 19. Rf3 {(Rf1-f3 Nf6-g4
Rf3-h3+ Kh5-g5 Qd3xd4 Kg5-g6 Rh3-g3) +0.48/7 86} c6 {(c7-c6 d5xc6 Ne7xc6
Rf3-h3+ Kh5-g5 Qd3-g3+ Nf6-g4) -0.12/7 285} 20. Rh3+ {(Rf3-h3+ Kh5-g6
e4-e5+ Kg6-f7 e5xf6 Ne7xd5 f6xg7) +2.16/7 63} Kg5 {(Kh5-g5 Qd3-g3+ Nf6-g4
Qg3-h4+ Kg5-f4 Ra1-f1+ Kf4-e5) -1.62/7 68} 21. Qg3+ {(Qd3-g3+ Nf6-g4
Qg3-h4+ Kg5-f4 Ra1-e1 c6xd5 e4xd5 Kf4-f5) +M8/8 54} Ng4 {(Nf6-g4 Ra1-f1
h7-h6 Qg3-h4+ Kg5-g6 Qh4-h5+ Kg6-h7) -2.50/7 16} 22. Qh4+ {(Qg3-h4+ Kg5-f4
Ra1-e1 c6xd5 e4xd5 Kf4-f5 Qh4-h5+ g7-g5 Rh3-f3+) +M9/20 17} Kf4 {(Kg5-f4
d5xc6 Ne7xc6 Rh3-f3+ Kf4-e5 Qh4xg4 g7-g6) -2.00/7 19} 23. Re1 {(Ra1-e1
c6xd5 e4xd5 Kf4-f5 Qh4-h5+ g7-g5 Rh3-f3+) +M7/20 3} Nxd5 {(Ne7xd5 Rh3-f3+
Kf4-e5 Qh4-g3+ Ke5-e6 e4xd5+ Ke6xd5) -3.75/7 197} 24. Rf3+ {(Rh3-f3+ Kf4-e5
Qh4-h5+ g7-g5 Rf3-f5+ Ke5-e6 Qh5-f7+) +M7/20 0} Ke5 {(Kf4-e5 Qh4-h5+ g7-g5
Rf3-f5+ Ke5-e6 Qh5-f7+) -M3/7 7} 25. Qh5+ {(Qh4-h5+ g7-g5 Rf3-f5+ Ke5-e6
Qh5-f7+) +M5/20 0} g5 {(g7-g5 Rf3-f5+ Ke5-e6 Qh5-f7+) -M2/7 14} 26. Rf5+
{(Rf3-f5+ Ke5-e6 Qh5-f7+) +M3/20 0} Ke6 {(Ke5-e6 Qh5-f7+) -M1/7 9} 27. Qf7#
{(Qh5-f7+) +M1/20 0} 1-0
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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:48 pm The new Challenge to sargon is shallowBlue rated 1711

[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Sargon-engineDepth7"]
[Black "Shallowblue_x86-64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1711"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Opening "Owen Defence"]
[Time "08:08:22"]
[WhiteElo "1740"]
[TimeControl "0+120"]

...
removed crappy full pv arena stuff - added clean pgn below
...

16. e4 Kg6 {(Kf7-g6 Ra1-b1 b6-b5 Qc3-b3 c7-c6 d5xc6 Qd8-b6+ Rf1-f2) +0.75/7 123}

18. Qd3 {(Qc3-d3 Kg6-f7 Qd3xd4 h7-h5 a2-a4 h5-h4 Rf1-e1) +0.14/7 80} Kh5? {(Kg6-h5 Qd3xd4
c7-c6 e4-e5 d6xe5 Qd4xe5+ Kh5-g6) +0.37/7 593}

...
What should 0+120 tc be? Why does ShallowBlue not appear with it's version number 2.0.0?

The game looks completely invalid (or even doctored), 0+120 should be 0+120(s), but that timecontrol is permanently abused in favour
of Sargon, at one point Sargon already has used more than three times the time of ShallowBlue and should have lost on time since long.

Also ShallowBlue according to this pgn suddenly uses 593! seconds for 18...Kh5??
On my slow old machine ShallowBlue is already at depth 8 at 36 seconds and never considers Kh5?, but only Kf7...

Whites move 16 has nothing attached - no time - no eval and I severly doubt Sargon does know the principle of an 'easy' move too.



I guess you won't understand the extracted stats with total time, but others will.

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(Sargon-engineDepth7)
(Shallowblue_x86-64)
(0+120???)
#       mw      evw     dw      tw      totw    mb      evb     db      tb      totb
1       e4      0.00    0       0       0       b6      0.00    0       0       0
2       Nc3     0.75    7       128     128     Nc6     -0.89   8       120     120
3       Nf3     0.75    7       170     298     e5      -0.98   8       79      199
4       Bc4     0.75    7       146     444     Bc5     -0.52   7       120     319
5       d3      0.75    7       219     663     Nf6     -0.47   7       90      409
6       Be3     1.12    7       306     969     Bxe3    -0.20   8       81      490
7       fxe3    0.75    7       196     1165    O-O     -0.21   7       55      545
8       O-O     0.75    7       352     1517    d6      -0.16   8       62      607
9       Ng5     0.75    7       342     1859    Bg4     0.22    7       90      697
10      Nxf7    0.75    7       317     2176    Rxf7    -0.38   8       90      787
11      Bxf7+   0.25    7       169     2345    Kf8     -0.73   9       54      841
12      Qe1     0.00    7       189     2534    Kxf7    0.09    8       55      896
13      Nd5     0.37    7       350     2884    Be6     0.15    7       75      971
14      Qc3     0.00    7       268     3152    Bxd5    0.37    8       45      1016
15      exd5    0.37    7       220     3372    Ne7     0.53    8       51      1067
16      e4      0.00    0       0       3372    g6      0.75    7       123     1190
17      d4      0.15    8       86      3458    exd4    0.25    7       139     1329
18      Qd3     0.14    7       80      3538    Kh5     0.37    7       593     1922
19      Rf3     0.48    7       86      3624    c6      -0.12   7       285     2207
20      Rh3+    2.16    7       63      3687    Kg5     -1.62   7       68      2275
21      Qg3+    299.00  8       54      3741    Ng4     -2.50   7       16      2291
22      Qh4+    299.00  20      17      3758    Kf4     -2.00   7       19      2310
23      Re1     299.00  20      3       3761    Nxd5    -3.75   7       197     2507
24      Rf3+    299.00  20      0       3761    Ke5     -299.00 7       7       2514
25      Qh5+    299.00  20      0       3761    g5      -299.00 7       14      2528
26      Rf5+    299.00  20      0       3761    Ke6     -299.00 7       9       2537
27      Qf7#    299.00  20      0       3761                                    2537
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Re: Sargon 1978 UCI Available

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Guenther wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:48 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:48 pm The new Challenge to sargon is shallowBlue rated 1711

[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Sargon-engineDepth7"]
[Black "Shallowblue_x86-64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "1711"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Opening "Owen Defence"]
[Time "08:08:22"]
[WhiteElo "1740"]
[TimeControl "0+120"]

...
removed crappy full pv arena stuff - added clean pgn below
...

16. e4 Kg6 {(Kf7-g6 Ra1-b1 b6-b5 Qc3-b3 c7-c6 d5xc6 Qd8-b6+ Rf1-f2) +0.75/7 123}

18. Qd3 {(Qc3-d3 Kg6-f7 Qd3xd4 h7-h5 a2-a4 h5-h4 Rf1-e1) +0.14/7 80} Kh5? {(Kg6-h5 Qd3xd4
c7-c6 e4-e5 d6xe5 Qd4xe5+ Kh5-g6) +0.37/7 593}

...
What should 0+120 tc be? Why does ShallowBlue not appear with it's version number 2.0.0?

The game looks completely invalid (or even doctored), 0+120 should be 0+120(s), but that timecontrol is permanently abused in favour
of Sargon, at one point Sargon already has used more than three times the time of ShallowBlue and should have lost on time since long.

Also ShallowBlue according to this pgn suddenly uses 593! seconds for 18...Kh5??
On my slow old machine ShallowBlue is already at depth 8 at 36 seconds and never considers Kh5?, but only Kf7...

Whites move 16 has nothing attached - no time - no eval and I severly doubt Sargon does know the principle of an 'easy' move too.



I guess you won't understand the extracted stats with total time, but others will.

Code: Select all

(Sargon-engineDepth7)
(Shallowblue_x86-64)
(0+120???)
#       mw      evw     dw      tw      totw    mb      evb     db      tb      totb
1       e4      0.00    0       0       0       b6      0.00    0       0       0
2       Nc3     0.75    7       128     128     Nc6     -0.89   8       120     120
3       Nf3     0.75    7       170     298     e5      -0.98   8       79      199
4       Bc4     0.75    7       146     444     Bc5     -0.52   7       120     319
5       d3      0.75    7       219     663     Nf6     -0.47   7       90      409
6       Be3     1.12    7       306     969     Bxe3    -0.20   8       81      490
7       fxe3    0.75    7       196     1165    O-O     -0.21   7       55      545
8       O-O     0.75    7       352     1517    d6      -0.16   8       62      607
9       Ng5     0.75    7       342     1859    Bg4     0.22    7       90      697
10      Nxf7    0.75    7       317     2176    Rxf7    -0.38   8       90      787
11      Bxf7+   0.25    7       169     2345    Kf8     -0.73   9       54      841
12      Qe1     0.00    7       189     2534    Kxf7    0.09    8       55      896
13      Nd5     0.37    7       350     2884    Be6     0.15    7       75      971
14      Qc3     0.00    7       268     3152    Bxd5    0.37    8       45      1016
15      exd5    0.37    7       220     3372    Ne7     0.53    8       51      1067
16      e4      0.00    0       0       3372    g6      0.75    7       123     1190
17      d4      0.15    8       86      3458    exd4    0.25    7       139     1329
18      Qd3     0.14    7       80      3538    Kh5     0.37    7       593     1922
19      Rf3     0.48    7       86      3624    c6      -0.12   7       285     2207
20      Rh3+    2.16    7       63      3687    Kg5     -1.62   7       68      2275
21      Qg3+    299.00  8       54      3741    Ng4     -2.50   7       16      2291
22      Qh4+    299.00  20      17      3758    Kf4     -2.00   7       19      2310
23      Re1     299.00  20      3       3761    Nxd5    -3.75   7       197     2507
24      Rf3+    299.00  20      0       3761    Ke5     -299.00 7       7       2514
25      Qh5+    299.00  20      0       3761    g5      -299.00 7       14      2528
26      Rf5+    299.00  20      0       3761    Ke6     -299.00 7       9       2537
27      Qf7#    299.00  20      0       3761                                    2537

Sargon when you assigned it to reach depth 7 use more time than what Arena indicate I noticed that it does NOT stop exactly at the time indicated sargon wil continue to calculat until it reached Depth7 while other programs stop at the time indicated by Arena.