TCEC Season 7 - Main Thread

[Adam Hair]

Martin, you're welcome to feel slighted he ignored your emails but do you need to slander him by calling the guy 'unprofessional'? Ignoring emails from an invitation-only tournament with no prize fund seems fair. TCEC has no contract with Houdart and Robert, has no professional obligation to TCEC.

I'm sorry, but whenever I encounter commercial companies simply ignoring questions or requests, I call it unprofessional. The point isn't to get a yes or no, just a reply with whatever they decide. Simply some common courtesy, which seems to be a "myth" these days.

Exactly!

[michiguel]

Hi Martin,

hm ... but Houdini comes from the work the Fire programmer do.
Which one is the clone?

http://users.telenet.be/chesslogik/images/6xyk.jpg

I understand nothing, playing strength alone isn't all. Each programmer can find out improvements ... have a look in ICE ... in my opinion no reason to Support "Houdini".

But it's your tourney!

Allways the same ...
In two years nobody will speak about Houdini, Houdini and Rybka ... now we have two of this examples. A third will come and the Situation will be the same. Again, that is allways the same.

Such People, working with sources of others ... such people coming and going. So many examples we have in computer chess. Seems to be an event for so many computer chess fans.

Not very important ...

Enough nice development are included.
Good luck for all participant programmers and thanks for the work you do for us!

Best
Frank

Very interesting chart, did you make it or did you use a tool? Are there instructions on how to interpret the chart?

I did that, Ola Hansson added the labels, and then the chart ended in chesslogik website, which is what Frank links. See the original for comments:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 52&start=0

The data was collected by T. Miller as the link provided

more details on how to interpret these plots here
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... similarity

Miguel

[Ozymandias]

I'm sorry, but whenever I encounter commercial companies simply ignoring questions or requests, I call it unprofessional. The point isn't to get a yes or no, just a reply with whatever they decide. Simply some common courtesy, which seems to be a "myth" these days.

I have to agree, breaking a contract is not unprofessional, is illegal. There's a lot of activities a professional can engage in that, while legal, will get him scorned at.

[Jesse Gersenson]

It's the oldest political strategy, when you don't know what to do, do nothing.

There is no way of replying directly, by email for example, which is favorable to Houdini. With no response one retains plausible deny-ability. How could he write you, "No Houdini will not play," without implicitly saying, "It's not in Houdini's commercial interest to participate in the tournament. Placing 3rd in each of the TCEC tournaments isn't good advertising for us. Best regards, Robert H,"?

[Leto]

Hi Martin,

hm ... but Houdini comes from the work the Fire programmer do.
Which one is the clone?

http://users.telenet.be/chesslogik/images/6xyk.jpg

I understand nothing, playing strength alone isn't all. Each programmer can find out improvements ... have a look in ICE ... in my opinion no reason to Support "Houdini".

But it's your tourney!

Allways the same ...
In two years nobody will speak about Houdini, Houdini and Rybka ... now we have two of this examples. A third will come and the Situation will be the same. Again, that is allways the same.

Such People, working with sources of others ... such people coming and going. So many examples we have in computer chess. Seems to be an event for so many computer chess fans.

Not very important ...

Enough nice development are included.
Good luck for all participant programmers and thanks for the work you do for us!

Best
Frank

Very interesting chart, did you make it or did you use a tool? Are there instructions on how to interpret the chart?

I did that, Ola Hansson added the labels, and then the chart ended in chesslogik website, which is what Frank links. See the original for comments:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 52&start=0

The data was collected by T. Miller as the link provided

more details on how to interpret these plots here
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... similarity

Miguel

Great work to everyone involved. I hope someone will update it with newer engines such as Stockfish 5 and Komodo 8. I'd also like to see several Rybka versions included.

After reading the instructions, I still don't understand what the numbers at the end of the lines represent. For example why does Onno have a 34 and Fruit 2.2.1 have a 44? From what I read Onno is similar to Fruit 2.2.1 but what do those numbers mean?

[Isaac]

If table bases are disabled, I see no point in having a TB hits graph (which is enabled by default).

I am watching the first Critter's moves and it has only 11 Mnps (used to get around 18 Mnps in the previous TCEC season in the opening).

[Martin Thoresen]

If table bases are disabled, I see no point in having a TB hits graph (which is enabled by default).

I am watching the first Critter's moves and it has only 11 Mnps (used to get around 18 Mnps in the previous TCEC season in the opening).

You can remove the TB graph if you prefer. Tools -> Show graphs -> select/unselect.

Critter will be fixed for next game, it was the split depth that was not set again.

[Adam Hair]

Hi Martin,

hm ... but Houdini comes from the work the Fire programmer do.
Which one is the clone?

http://users.telenet.be/chesslogik/images/6xyk.jpg

I understand nothing, playing strength alone isn't all. Each programmer can find out improvements ... have a look in ICE ... in my opinion no reason to Support "Houdini".

But it's your tourney!

Allways the same ...
In two years nobody will speak about Houdini, Houdini and Rybka ... now we have two of this examples. A third will come and the Situation will be the same. Again, that is allways the same.

Such People, working with sources of others ... such people coming and going. So many examples we have in computer chess. Seems to be an event for so many computer chess fans.

Not very important ...

Enough nice development are included.
Good luck for all participant programmers and thanks for the work you do for us!

Best
Frank

Very interesting chart, did you make it or did you use a tool? Are there instructions on how to interpret the chart?

I did that, Ola Hansson added the labels, and then the chart ended in chesslogik website, which is what Frank links. See the original for comments:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 52&start=0

The data was collected by T. Miller as the link provided

more details on how to interpret these plots here
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... similarity

Miguel

Great work to everyone involved. I hope someone will update it with newer engines such as Stockfish 5 and Komodo 8. I'd also like to see several Rybka versions included.

After reading the instructions, I still don't understand what the numbers at the end of the lines represent. For example why does Onno have a 34 and Fruit 2.2.1 have a 44? From what I read Onno is similar to Fruit 2.2.1 but what do those numbers mean?

The numbers represent the order in which they were processed.

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1: Yace 0.99.87 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
2: MinkoChess 1.3 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
3: IvanHoe 9.47b x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
4: Octochess revision 5190 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
5: Nemo SP64o 1.0.1 Beta (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
6: Arasan 16.2 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
7: Robodini 1.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
8: cheng4 0.36 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
9: Rodent 1.2 (build 2) (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
10: Tornado 4.88 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
11: Delfi 5.4 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
12: Stockfish 2.3.1 JA 64bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
13: Komodo TCEC 64-bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
14: Murka 3 x64 UCI (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
15: Quazar 0.4 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
16: Texel 1.02 64-bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
17: Protector 1.5.0 x32 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
18: Alaric 707 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
19: Stockfish 4 64 SSE4.2 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
20: Hannibal 1.4bx64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
21: Movei00_8_438 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
22: Shredder 12 UCI (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
23: Naum 4.2 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
24: Toga II 3.0 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
25: Heron impossible 231113 X64 Normal mode (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
26: Stockfish DD 64 SSE4.2 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
27: BlackMamba_1.4 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
28: Gaviota 0.86 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
29: Strelka 2.0 B (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
30: Houdini 4 Pro w32 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
31: Gull 2.3 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
32: Fruit 2.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
33: DiscoCheck 5.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
34: Deep Onno 1-2-70 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
35: Chiron 2 64bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
36: Strelka 5.5 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
37: Spike 1.4 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
38: DeepSaros version 4.1.3 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
39: Zappa Mexico II (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
40: Vitruvius_1.11C (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
41: Bouquet 1.8 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
42: Deep Sjeng c't 2010 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
43: Vajolet 2.03 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
44: Fruit 2.2.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
45: Amitis 2013-09-30 X64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
46: spark-1.0 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
47: GNU Chess 5.50-64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
48: Ruffian 1.0.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
49: Fire 3.0 x64 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
50: Critter 1.6a 64-bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
51: Colossus 2008b (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
52: Glaurung 2.2 JA (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
53: Hamsters 0.7.1 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
54: RobboLito 0.085g3 w32 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
55: Stockfish 3 JA 64bit (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0) 
56: Ktulu 9 (time: 100 ms scale: 1.0)

[Isaac]

If table bases are disabled, I see no point in having a TB hits graph (which is enabled by default).

I am watching the first Critter's moves and it has only 11 Mnps (used to get around 18 Mnps in the previous TCEC season in the opening).

You can remove the TB graph if you prefer. Tools -> Show graphs -> select/unselect.

Critter will be fixed for next game, it was the split depth that was not set again.

I see, thank you Martin!

[Leto]

Thanks Adam, that explains it.