Robbolito 0.09 New Edition VS Rybka 3

[Graham Banks]

How do you account for the views of other respected programmers such as Gian-Carlo Pascutto, Don Dailey, Andres Valverdes (plus other programmers who now include Eric Mullins) when they say that they believe it to be a Rybka clone also?
And why would other forums including the Hiarcs forum ban links?
We can't live in cloud-cuckoo land in CCC forever. Links should be banned.
I challenge other programmers who believe Robbo to be a clone to step forward and say so.

Please remain on topic. We were talking about Larry's claim here.

I still answer your questions.

1. I don't think 'believing' is an evidence even if the 'believer' is a respected programmer.

2. The ban is not an evidence. It is a verdict.

The trouble is that people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of who says what regarding the issue.
However, some people are more credible than others, and the more that stand up on the issue, the harder it will be to ignore them.

[Steve B]

How do you account for the views of other respected programmers such as Gian-Carlo Pascutto, Don Dailey, Andres Valverdes (plus other programmers who now include Eric Mullins) when they say that they believe it to be a Rybka clone also?
And why would other forums including the Hiarcs forum ban links?
We can't live in cloud-cuckoo land in CCC forever. Links should be banned.
I challenge other programmers who believe Robbo to be a clone to step forward and say so.

Please remain on topic. We were talking about Larry's claim here.

I still answer your questions.

1. I don't think 'believing' is an evidence even if the 'believer' is a respected programmer.

2. The ban is not an evidence. It is a verdict.

Correct
we banned links for more then 2 months and made multiple public requests for some evidence to be put forth to establish that the engines are clones
when nothing came forward we finally allowed links and even then we stated that if evidence comes forward in the future we would reconsider the issue
we are still waiting
did this silence the discussion?
no it simply silenced those that agreed with that decision and raised the voices of those that disagreed with it
commercial sites exist for one purpose...to sell their products
you are never going to see them take a position that would be harmful to their business models
if the CCC is going to rely on the positions commercial sites take we might as well close this place down or let the owners of these sights appoint the mods here as they do there
we are the only forum on the net with elected moderators
at the end of the day..the memership decides what goes on here

speaking of which...
Moderator Nominations begin this Friday
With the Election to take place the following Friday

the decision to allow/disallow links..allow/disallow discussion, or even to wipe the names of these engines off the page (as some would like) will pass from the current mod team .. into the hands of the members
moderator candidates should make their positions very clear on these contentious issues..hopefully they will receive a mandate from the members which will enable them to moderate the forum accordingly going forward


Regards From Cuckoo Land
Steve

[Graham Banks]

we are the only forum on the net with elected mods
we are not appointed by the owners

True, but the charter allows you to do something against legally questionable posts.
If you respect what Larry has to say (amongst others), then at present the mods are allowing links to the clone of a commercial engine. That is surely legally questionable.

[Alexander Schmidt]

So not the entire R3 code is public, but most of it other than the exact evaluation function is.

And this is not true.

Different movegen, different UCI handling, different everything.

All what is testable from outside is different.

Just the evaluation is somehow similar, but here Larry says it is not Rybka...

[Graham Banks]

So not the entire R3 code is public, but most of it other than the exact evaluation function is.

And this is not true.

Different movegen, different UCI handling, different everything.

All what is testable from outside is different.

Just the evaluation is somehow similar, but here Larry says it is not Rybka...

How about this if you're not prepared to believe people like Vas, Larry, Don, Gian-Carlo and others. If you respect Christopher Conkie as a good clone detector (as most seem to do), go and talk to him.

[Steve B]

we are the only forum on the net with elected mods
we are not appointed by the owners

True, but the charter allows you to do something against legally questionable posts.
If you respect what Larry has to say (amongst others), then at present the mods are allowing links to the clone of a commercial engine. That is surely legally questionable.

sorry i disagree
i felt that way at first but after two long months when no verifiable evidence came forward i changed my opinion
Rybka team members all towing the company line dont constitute verifiable evidence
a few code snippets that the Rybka team had no problem providing for the Strelka debate would be a great start
actually i think the allowing of links might serve a useful purpose regarding the debate
perhaps it will encourage those claiming the engines are clones to come forward and show the proof and put an end to this
there are very respectable members here who would quickly change their opinions if something concrete would just come forward


The CCC is a neutral "watch dog" site ..
smoke filled back rooms where people whisper to each other that this or that engine is or is not a clone is just not going to hack it here Graham

Steve

[Graham Banks]

we are the only forum on the net with elected mods
we are not appointed by the owners

True, but the charter allows you to do something against legally questionable posts.
If you respect what Larry has to say (amongst others), then at present the mods are allowing links to the clone of a commercial engine. That is surely legally questionable.

sorry i dsagree
i felt that way at first but after two long months when no verifable evidence came forward i changed my opinion
Rybka team members all towing the company line dont consitute verifable evidnce
a few code snippets that the Rybka team had no problem providing for the Strelka debate would be a great start
actually i think the allowing of links might serve a useful purpose regarding the debate
perhaps it will encourage those claiming the engines are clones to come forward and show the proof and put an end to this
there are very repectable members here who would quickly change their opinoins if something concrete would just come forward


The CCC is a neutral "watch dog" site ..
smoke filled back rooms where people wisper to each other that this or that engine is or is not a clone is just not going to hack it here Graham

Steve

Then it is sad that amongst the good things you've done, the allowing of links to the clone of a commercial engine will be the legacy of the current mod team.

[Steve B]

we are the only forum on the net with elected mods
we are not appointed by the owners

True, but the charter allows you to do something against legally questionable posts.
If you respect what Larry has to say (amongst others), then at present the mods are allowing links to the clone of a commercial engine. That is surely legally questionable.

sorry i dsagree
i felt that way at first but after two long months when no verifable evidence came forward i changed my opinion
Rybka team members all towing the company line dont consitute verifable evidnce
a few code snippets that the Rybka team had no problem providing for the Strelka debate would be a great start
actually i think the allowing of links might serve a useful purpose regarding the debate
perhaps it will encourage those claiming the engines are clones to come forward and show the proof and put an end to this
there are very repectable members here who would quickly change their opinoins if something concrete would just come forward


The CCC is a neutral "watch dog" site ..
smoke filled back rooms where people wisper to each other that this or that engine is or is not a clone is just not going to hack it here Graham

Steve

Then it is sad that amongst the good things you've done, the allowing of links to the clone of a commercial engine will be the legacy of the current mod team.

or the current mod team will be credited for standing up for the scientific method ..where evidence is offered in support of a claim
i think we did the right thing
History will tell
Steve

[Graham Banks]

Then it is sad that amongst the good things you've done, the allowing of links to the clone of a commercial engine will be the legacy of the current mod team.

or the current mod team will be credited for standing up for the scientific method ..where evidence is offered in support of a claim
i think we did the right thing
History will tell
Steve

Yes - history will tell.

[Steve B]

Then it is sad that amongst the good things you've done, the allowing of links to the clone of a commercial engine will be the legacy of the current mod team.

or the current mod team will be credited for standing up for the scientific method ..where evidence is offered in support of a claim
i think we did the right thing
History will tell
Steve

Yes - history will tell.

You are running for mod then?
Steve