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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.8

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Slow Chess 2.8 is released.
Download on the Slow Chess Webpage

It scored +30 Elo to Slow 2.7 in a 12000 game gauntlet against similar strength engines (30s + .3s)
I expect rating list Elo difference will be somewhat less depending on conditions. (Also I keep making it slower since my test PCs are fast AVX2)

Main changes:
  • More neural net training.
  • Updated endgame nets. (Training, more first layer weights, less second, more forced symmetry.)
  • Larger general net.
  • Some search tweaking but probably only a few elo
I will compile a linux version on weekend.

This time I did try to wait for release and make more improvements, but just ended up not releasing for 3 weeks and not making clear strength progress or working on any of the extras I wanted to. I'm sorta limited in time to spend and computing power, so am happy to just keep making some progress.
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Hi,

seems to be that christmas is this year a bit sooner as normally.

Wasp and Slow on the same day available!!

It's an order to add it directly in my FCP Tourney-2022.

:-)

Go Slow go ...
THANKS YOU!

Best
Frank

A great day for me!
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Slowchess 2.8 for the GRL

Games : 1200

Elo pool : 3445

http://rebel13.nl/a/grl.htm
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Rebel wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:27 am Slowchess 2.8 for the GRL

Games : 1200

Elo pool : 3445

http://rebel13.nl/a/grl.htm
I still see Wasp info there.
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Estimated elo gaun for SlowChess 2.8 : +48

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Gambit Rating List
Running      : gauntlet Slowchess 2.8
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games        : 1200

Results from file gauntlet-slowchess.pgn:

No. Name                 Win Draw Loss Unf.  Score Games       %
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  1 SlowChess 2.8       +338 =666 -196   *0  671.0  1200   55.9%
  2 Koivisto 7.0         +41 =114  -45   *0   98.0   200   49.0%
  3 Berserk 7            +31 =121  -48   *0   91.5   200   45.8%
  4 Stockfish 9          +35 =108  -57   *0   89.0   200   44.5%
  5 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE  +24 =124  -52   *0   86.0   200   43.0%
  6 h6                   +39  =91  -70   *0   84.5   200   42.2%
  7 RubiChess 2.2        +26 =108  -66   *0   80.0   200   40.0%

Total Games:    1200
White Wins:      263 (21.9%)
Black Wins:      271 (22.6%)
Draws:           666 (55.5%)
Unfinished:        0 (0.0%)

Estimated ratings for this elo 3445 pool

   # PLAYER                 :  RATING  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)
   1 SlowChess 2.8          :  3480.8   671.0    1200    56
   2 Koivisto 7.0           :  3473.8    98.0     200    49
   3 Berserk 7              :  3451.0    91.5     200    46
   4 Stockfish 9            :  3442.1    89.0     200    45
   5 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE    :  3431.4    86.0     200    43
   6 h6                     :  3426.1    84.5     200    42
   7 RubiChess 2.2          :  3409.8    80.0     200    40
Slowchess 2.8 even won from Koivisto 7.

Provional Rating List

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     PLAYER                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)     W     D     L  D(%)
   1 Stockfish 14.1         :  3712.0   12.2  2062.0    2600    79      65  1554  1016    30    39
   2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5      :  3647.7   12.2  2049.5    3000    68     100  1311  1477   212    49
   3 Lc0 v28                :  3582.0   18.0   591.5    1000    59     100   335   513   152    51
   4 Koivisto 7.5           :  3494.4   11.4  1148.0    2200    52      93   575  1146   479    52
   5 SlowChess 2.8          :  3481.2   11.5   671.0    1200    56      52   338   666   196    56
   6 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE    :  3454.3    9.9  2627.5    5400    49      50  1277  2701  1422    50
   7 Berserk 7              :  3454.3   14.5  1056.0    2200    48      76   438  1236   526    56
   8 RubiChess 2.2          :  3407.9    4.9  2399.5    5600    43      97  1036  2727  1837    49
   9 Igel 3.0.5             :  3356.7    8.7  1982.0    5300    37      51   733  2498  2069    47
  10 Pedone 3.1             :  3356.0    8.3  2325.5    5500    42      83  1131  2389  1980    43
  11 Arasan 23.0.1          :  3317.3   19.4   596.5    1000    60      77   411   371   218    37
Slowchess now fifth and Arasan nicely on place 11.
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Second run for Slowchess 2.8

Games : 1000

Elo pool : 3516 :!:

http://rebel13.nl/a/grl.htm
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Slowchess 2.8 [ second run ] 3501 elo

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Gambit Rating List
Running      : gauntlet Slowchess 2.8 [ second run ]
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games        : 1000

Results from file gauntlet-slowchess-2.pgn:

No. Name               Win Draw Loss Unf.  Score Games       %
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  1 SlowChess 2.8     +228 =504 -268   *0  480.0  1000   48.0%
  2 Stockfish 14.1    +101  =98   -1   *0  150.0   200   75.0%
  3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5  +88 =102  -10   *0  139.0   200   69.5%
  4 Stockfish 10       +42 =111  -47   *0   97.5   200   48.8%
  5 Igel 3.0.5         +21  =97  -82   *0   69.5   200   34.8%
  6 Pedone 3.1         +16  =96  -88   *0   64.0   200   32.0%

Total Games:    1000
White Wins:      247 (24.7%)
Black Wins:      249 (24.9%)
Draws:           504 (50.4%)
Unfinished:        0 (0.0%)

Estimated ratings for this elo 3516 pool

   # PLAYER               :  RATING  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)
   1 Stockfish 14.1       :  3694.3   150.0     200    75
   2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5    :  3646.1   139.0     200    70
   3 SlowChess 2.8        :  3501.7   480.0    1000    48
   4 Stockfish 10         :  3493.0    97.5     200    49
   5 Igel 3.0.5           :  3391.3    69.5     200    35
   6 Pedone 3.1           :  3369.6    64.0     200    32
Exceptional good against the big 2.

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    PLAYER                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)  CFS(%)     W     D     L  D(%)
   1 Stockfish 14.1         :  3709.5   13.0  2212.0    2800    79      56  1655  1114    31    40
   2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5      :  3646.7    9.4  2188.5    3200    68     100  1399  1579   222    49
   3 Lc0 v28                :  3582.4   23.9   591.5    1000    59     100   335   513   152    51
   4 Koivisto 7.5           :  3494.6   12.6  1148.0    2200    52      82   575  1146   479    52
   5 SlowChess 2.8          :  3486.3   11.7  1151.0    2200    52      60   566  1170   464    53
   6 Berserk 7              :  3455.1   10.5  1056.0    2200    48      52   438  1236   526    56
   7 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE    :  3454.9    9.5  2627.5    5400    49      71  1277  2701  1422    50
   8 RubiChess 2.2          :  3408.4    8.0  2399.5    5600    43      93  1036  2727  1837    49
   9 Igel 3.0.5             :  3357.8    9.0  2051.5    5500    37      57   754  2595  2151    47
  10 Pedone 3.1             :  3356.3    7.1  2389.5    5700    42      95  1147  2485  2068    44

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  16 Marvin 5.2             :  3236.4   20.2  1002.5    1600    63      56   689   627   284    39
  20 Wasp 5.00              :  3188.7   17.0   496.0    1000    50      84   296   400   304    40
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Ed :

Thanks for testing Slow 2.8. The Elo difference is more than I'd expect, but given the underperformance of 2.7 in GRL, the performance against other engines matches my own testing. I'm not sure why 2.8 did so much better, I didn't do any gambit training since I couldn't find a gambit opening book, most new testing/training was 4-moves book.

In my 20s+.15s testing Stockfish 14 is around 260 Elo ahead. I'm always surprised at how much increasing time control closes gap and lets Slow hold more draws.

I expect by the time the next few versions of Koivisto and Berserk roll out they'll be out of reach, so wanted to release something while it was still competitive with other near top programs.

Frank :

Also I saw all the new releases going into your tournament and decided now was a good time to join the fun.
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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The opinions in case of Slow by John and myself are to 100% the same.
We love your engine ... not a big secret.

Jonathan ...
If you have many time ...

You know the chess-computer community is very strong (what the people try to do and the niveau of discussion, the ideas the people have).
A good example is the site: https://www.schachcomputer.info/

If very aggressive chess programs, like Slow, Booot, Wasp it seems Seer (think so, must wait of the own statistics to the still running tournament), others can be used with playing-levels for chess-computer projects ... can be this one the basic for a new generation for programs, used for chess-computers. I think what people like to see are very aggressive and speculative chess programs with many pieces on board. To discuss about king attacks is all the time most interesting.

All what I like to say is ...
The topic is ...

To have a Slow version for Raspberry and of course your permission to use Slow for chess-computer projects will be wonderful.

Believe me, your engine is the perfect completition for the chess-computer community and ... for sure ... for myself.
I like to play with chess-computers and wish me that most interesting chess engines today are available for new chess-computer developments.

CT-800 and Wasp = SUPER
To have Slow .... perfect!

Hope that's OK for you that I wrote here this open letter in bad English.

But for the moment ...
Go Slow go ...

That will be a wonderful christmas months with a new Slow & Wasp in the still running tourney.
So many updates since the last tourney, many active programmers ... to create stats to the tourney will be very interesting!

Best
Frank
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Re: SlowChess Blitz Classic 2.0

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Thanks, I am testing now. :D

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