I see that sometimes father resigned too early

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Uri Blass
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I see that sometimes father resigned too early

Post by Uri Blass »

For example here white lost the queen but still has a winning position(even if white probably will lose the game it is not a good reason to resign)

https://lichess.org/DPJM7SjI#38
Father
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Re: I see that sometimes father resigned too early

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Uri Blass wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 10:54 pm For example here white lost the queen but still has a winning position(even if white probably will lose the game it is not a good reason to resign)

https://lichess.org/DPJM7SjI#38
[pgn] [Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/YuWoc9sE"]
[Date "2025.09.09"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "YuWoc9sE"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.09"]
[UTCTime "00:48:39"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 e6 2. f4 f5 3. e3 h6 4. Nf3 b6 5. c3 Nf6 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. Qe2 g6 8. Ba6 Bxa6 9. Qxa6 Bg7 10. Qe2 g5 11. O-O g4 12. Nh4 O-O-O 13. g3 Ne7 14. Rf2 d5 15. Rg2 Rhe8 16. a3 c5 17. b4 c4 18. a4 Bf8 19. a5 b5 20. Nd2 h5 21. Nf1 Kb7 22. Ra2 Bg7 23. Rc2 Kc6 24. Kh1 Ne4 25. Kg1 Nd6 26. Kh1 Ra8 27. Kg1 Rh8 28. Kh1 Rh7 29. Kg1 Rb8 30. Nd2 Re8 31. Nb1 Nb7 32. Bd2 Nd6 33. Be1 Bf6 34. Kh1 Bh8 35. Kg1 Bg7 36. Kh1 Kd7 37. Kg1 Kc7 38. Kh1 Kb7 39. Kg1 Bf6 40. Kh1 Ka8 41. Kg1 Rg7 42. Kh1 Nc6 43. Kg1 Kb7 44. Kh1 Bd8 45. Kg1 Ka8 46. Kh1 Rf8 47. Kg1 Bf6 48. Kh1 Re8 49. Kg1 Rf8 50. Kh1 a6 51. Kg1 Na7 52. Kh1 Nc6 53. Kg1 Rd8 54. Kh1 Rdd7 55. Kg1 Rb7 56. Kh1 Rh7 57. Kg1 Rh6 58. Kh1 Bg7 59. Kg1 Bf6 60. Kh1 Ra7 61. Kg1 Re7 62. Kh1 Na7 63. Kg1 Nac8 64. Kh1 Rc7 65. Kg1 Na7 66. Kh1 Nc6 67. Kg1 Ne7 68. Kh1 Ndc8 69. Kg1 Ka7 70. Kh1 Rb7 71. Kg1 Kb8 72. Kh1 Rh7 73. Kg1 Rg7 74. Kh1 Nd6 75. Kg1 Kc7 76. Kh1 Nec8 77. Kg1 Kc6 78. Kh1 Ne7 79. Kg1 Rg8 80. Kh1 Rgb8 81. Kg1 Rc7 82. Kh1 Ndc8 83. Kg1 Rbb7 84. Kh1 Kd7 85. Bf2 Rc6 86. Kg1 Nd6 87. Kf1 Kd8 88. Ke1 Bxh4 89. gxh4 Ng6 90. Kd1 Rh7 91. Kc1 Kd7 92. Kb2 Rc8 93. Ka1 Ra8 94. Rb2 Kc6 95. Be1 Ne4 96. Rg1 Ne7 97. Rc2 Nf6 98. Rg2 Rg7 99. Rg1 Ng6 100. Rg2 Raa7 101. Rg1 Ra8 102. Rg2 Rga7 103. Rg1 Rd7 104. Rg2 Ne7 105. Rg1 Nc8 106. Rg2 Ne7 107. Rg1 Nc8 108. Rg2 Rda7 109. Rg1 Rf7 110. Rg2 Ne7 111. Rg1 Nc8 112. Rg2 Rd7 113. Rg1 Rc7 114. Rg2 Rca7 115. Rg1 Rb7 116. Rg2 Kc7 117. Rg1 Ne7 118. Rg2 Kd6 119. Rg1 Kc6 120. Rg2 Raa7 121. Rg1 Ng6 122. Rg2 Kd6 123. Rg1 Kc6 124. Rg2 Rd7 125. Rg1 Kb7 126. Rg2 Ne7 127. Rg1 Ng6 128. Rh1 Rh7 129. Ka2 Ne4 130. Ka1 Kc6 131. Ka2 Nd6 132. Rg1 Raf7 133. Ka1 Ne4 134. Ka2 Nd6 135. Ka1 Rf8 136. Ka2 Rc8 137. Ka1 Rf8 138. Ka2 g3 139. Rxg3 Ne7 140. Rg5 Rfh8 141. Qg2 Ne8 142. Rf2 Kc7 143. Rf1 Rh6 144. Rg1 R8h7 145. Kb2 Kd6 146. Nd2 Kd7 147. Nf3 Kc7 148. Ne5 Rf6 149. Ng6 Nc8 150. Ne5 Ne7 151. Qg3 Rfh6 152. Rg2 Kd6 153. Qf2 Kc7 154. Qg1 Kb7 155. Kc2 Kc7 156. Rg8 Nf6 157. R2g7 Nxg8 158. Rxg8 Nxg8 159. Qxg8 Rh8 160. Qf7+ Kb8 161. Qd7 R6h7 162. Qd6+ Rc7 163. Qxe6 Rg7 164. Bg3 Rhg8 165. Qxf5 Re8 166. Qxh5 Reg8 167. Qf3 Ka7 168. Qxd5 Rh8 169. Qc5+ Ka8 170. Qc6+ Rb7 171. Qxa6+ Kb8 172. Qd6+ Ka7 173. Qg6 Rc8 174. h5 Rh8 175. h6 Rf8 176. Bh4 Rh8 177. Bg5 Rc8 178. h4 Rh8 179. Qh5 Rg8 180. Qg4 Re8 181. Kb2 Rh8 182. f5 Rf8 183. f6 Rc7 184. Qf5 Rb7 185. Qg6 Rc7 186. Qg7 Rc8 187. Qxc7+ Rxc7 188. f7 Rc8 189. h7 Rh8 190. Bf6 Rxh7 191. f8=Q Rc7 192. Qc5+ Ka8 193. Qxb5 Rb7 194. Qxb7+ Kxb7 195. Nxc4 Kc6 196. Kb3 Kb5 197. e4 Kc6 198. h5 Kd7 199. h6 Ke6 200. Be5 Kf7 201. b5 Kg6 202. Ne3 Kxh6 203. c4 Kg6 204. c5 Kf7 205. Kc4 Kg6 206. d5 Kf7 207. Bd4 Kg6 208. e5 Kf7 209. Kd3 Kg6 210. Ke4 Kf7 211. e6+ Kg6 212. Ke5 Kg7 213. d6 Kf8 214. c6 Kg8 215. b6 Kh7 216. a6 Kg6 217. a7 Kg5 218. b7 Kh5 219. c7 Kg5 220. d7 Kg6 221. e7 Kg5 222. e8=R Kh4 223. d8=R Kg3 224. c8=R Kh3 225. b8=R Kh4 226. a8=R Kg3 227. Ke4 Kh4 228. Rf8 Kg5 229. Ra1 Kh4 230. Raf1 Kg3 231. Rg8+ Kh2 232. Rg2+ Kh3 233. Rh8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Uri Blass
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Re: I see that sometimes father resigned too early

Post by Uri Blass »

I see that you basically cause the bot to blunder by not wanting a draw but this method does not help you to win often enough.

If for every game you win you lose many games then you will never be good enough to get into the leaderboard

The level to be in the leaderboard keep improving and even in bullet you need today more than 20%
place 99 is
99 Rook-AndRoll 2376 42-21-138 2+0 2025-08-19

You can see that this player has more than one win for every 3 draws so probably they count most or all his draws in the rating list and even without counting draws he has more than 20%.

1+1 is similiar time control to 2+0 for the purpose of rating and I see that you do not get 20% against the bot even if I count draws.

Your stat in the last bullet games is 1-15-83 and even a relatively good day (4.9.2025) you had 8-8-57 at blitz and
1-4-27 at bullet
Father
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Re: I see that sometimes father resigned too early

Post by Father »

Uri Blass wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 4:13 am I see that you basically cause the bot to blunder by not wanting a draw but this method does not help you to win often enough.

If for every game you win you lose many games then you will never be good enough to get into the leaderboard

The level to be in the leaderboard keep improving and even in bullet you need today more than 20%
place 99 is
99 Rook-AndRoll 2376 42-21-138 2+0 2025-08-19

You can see that this player has more than one win for every 3 draws so probably they count most or all his draws in the rating list and even without counting draws he has more than 20%.

1+1 is similiar time control to 2+0 for the purpose of rating and I see that you do not get 20% against the bot even if I count draws.

Your stat in the last bullet games is 1-15-83 and even a relatively good day (4.9.2025) you had 8-8-57 at blitz and
1-4-27 at bullet
Thanks Uri for your información. Everything becomes more interesting to me, so I have to improve my performance.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
Father
Posts: 1886
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
Location: Colombia
Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Re: I see that sometimes father resigned too early

Post by Father »

Father wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 5:24 am
Uri Blass wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 4:13 am I see that you basically cause the bot to blunder by not wanting a draw but this method does not help you to win often enough.

If for every game you win you lose many games then you will never be good enough to get into the leaderboard
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 10:54 pm For example here white lost the queen but still has a winning position(even if white probably will lose the game it is not a good reason to resign)

https://lichess.org/DPJM7SjI#38
The level to be in the leaderboard keep improving and even in bullet you need today more than 20%
place 99 is
99 Rook-AndRoll 2376 42-21-138 2+0 2025-08-19

You can see that this player has more than one win for every 3 draws so probably they count most or all his draws in the rating list and even without counting draws he has more than 20%.

1+1 is similiar time control to 2+0 for the purpose of rating and I see that you do not get 20% against the bot even if I count draws.

Your stat in the last bullet games is 1-15-83 and even a relatively good day (4.9.2025) you had 8-8-57 at blitz and
1-4-27 at bullet
Thanks Uri for your información. Everything becomes more interesting to me, so I have to improve my performance.
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 10:54 pm For example here white lost the queen but still has a winning position(even if white probably will lose the game it is not a good reason to resign)

https://lichess.org/DPJM7SjI#38
I want to dedicate this "small miniature" of "man versus machine" chess, a game of rapid and effective strategic maneuvers, to the souls of my deceased Father and Mother, to whom I owe my life.

[pgn] [Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/BtZJmBy7"]
[Date "2025.09.09"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "BtZJmBy7"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.09"]
[UTCTime "16:25:54"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. f4 b6 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 Bb4+ 5. c3 Be7 6. Bd3 f5 7. Qe2 a5 8. a3 Nf6 9. O-O Ng4 10. h4 a4 11. g3 Nf6 12. Rf2 Kf7 13. Rg2 Kg7 14. Nbd2 Bb7 15. e4 Re8 16. e5 Ng4 17. Nf1 h5 18. Ne3 Nc6 19. Nxg4 hxg4 20. Ng5 Kh6 21. Rh2 Kh5 22. Qf1 Kh6 23. Qd1 Bf8 24. Bf1 Na5 25. Bg2 c6 26. Qc2 Be7 27. Be3 Nc4 28. Re1 Kh5 29. Bc1 b5 30. Bh1 Rg8 31. Rhe2 Rg7 32. Bg2 Na5 33. Bh1 Nc4 34. Bg2 Kh6 35. Bh1 Nb6 36. Bg2 Rb8 37. Bh1 Bc8 38. Bg2 Ba6 39. Bh1 Rf8 40. Bg2 Ra8 41. Bh1 Rf8 42. Bg2 Rb8 43. Bh1 Ra8 44. Bg2 Bb7 45. Bh1 Bc8 46. Bg2 Ba6 47. Bh1 Rb8 48. Bg2 Rc8 49. Bh1 Rb8 50. Bg2 Rf8 51. Bh1 Rgg8 52. Bg2 Kg7 53. Bh1 Rd8 54. Bg2 Rb8 55. Bh1 Rbc8 56. Bg2 Rh8 57. Bh1 Bd8 58. Bg2 Nd5 59. Bh1 Bb6 60. Bg2 Rc7 61. Kh1 Ba5 62. Be3 Rh5 63. Kg1 Rh8 64. Kh1 Rcc8 65. Kg1 Bd8 66. Kh1 Be7 67. Kg1 Nb6 68. Kf1 Nd5 69. Bxd5 cxd5 70. Qd1 Bb7 71. Kg1 Rh6 72. Rh2 Rh5 73. Ree2 Rc6 74. Rd2 Rc7 75. Qe1 Rc8 76. Qf1 Ba6 77. Qe1 Bd8 78. Rhg2 Ba5 79. Rh2 Bd8 80. Rhg2 Rc7 81. Rh2 Rh6 82. Rhg2 Rh5 83. Rgf2 Rc6 84. Rg2 Rh8 85. Kf2 Rh5 86. Kg1 Kf8 87. Rgf2 Rh6 88. Rg2 Ke7 89. Rgf2 Bb6 90. Rg2 Rc4 91. Rgf2 Rc6 92. Rg2 Kf8 93. Rgf2 Kg7 94. Rg2 Rh8 95. Rgf2 Kf8 96. Rg2 Rc7 97. Kf2 Rc6 98. Kg1 Bc7 99. Kf1 Ke7 100. Kg1 Bd8 101. Kf2 Bb6 102. Kg1 Rh6 103. Kf2 Rh8 104. Kg1 Rh5 105. Kf2 Bc7 106. Kg1 Bb8 107. Kf2 Ba7 108. Kg1 Rc7 109. Kf2 Rc8 110. Kg1 Rc7 111. Kh2 Rh8 112. Kg1 Rh6 113. Kh2 Rh5 114. Kh1 Rc8 115. Kg1 Bb8 116. Kh1 Rch8 117. Kg1 Bc7 118. Qf2 b4 119. axb4 Bc4 120. Rd1 Bb3 121. Ra1 Ra8 122. Ra3 Rhh8 123. Kh1 Rab8 124. Kg1 Ra8 125. Kh1 Ra6 126. Kg1 Bb6 127. Kh1 Rc8 128. Kg1 Ra7 129. Kh1 Rg8 130. Kg1 Rc8 131. Kh1 Rh8 132. Kg1 Raa8 133. Kh1 Ra7 134. Kg1 Raa8 135. Kh1 Ra6 136. Kg1 Ra7 137. Kh1 Rg8 138. Nh7 Rb8 139. Nf6 Kd8 140. Rh2 Kc7 141. Kg1 Kc6 142. h5 gxh5 143. Rxh5 Bd8 144. Qh2 Kb5 145. Kf2 Rc8 146. Rh8 Rb8 147. Rg8 Kc6 148. Qh8 Raa8 149. Ra1 Kc7 150. Qh7 Rc8 151. Rg7 Kc6 152. Rxd7 Kb5 153. Rb7+ Kc4 154. Ra7 Rab8 155. Rb7 Ra8 156. Ke2 Bb6 157. Kd2 Ba2 158. Rxa2 Rh8 159. Ra1 Rxh7 160. Nxh7 Rh8 161. Rxb6 Rxh7 162. Rc6+ Kb5 163. Rc5+ Kb6 164. Re1 Rh2+ 165. Re2 Rh1 166. Kc2 a3 167. bxa3 Kb7 168. a4 Ra1 169. Kb2 Rh1 170. a5 Ka6 171. Bf2 Rh2 172. Rc2 Rh1 173. Kb3 Rb1+ 174. Rb2 Rh1 175. Rc6+ Kb7 176. Rxe6 Rh8 177. Rd6 Rc8 178. Rxd5 Rh8 179. Rd6 Rc8 180. Rf6 Rd8 181. Rxf5 Re8 182. Rg5 Rd8 183. Rxg4 Ka6 184. Rg6+ Kb7 185. Rb6+ Ka8 186. g4 Ka7 187. f5 Rh8 188. g5 Rh3 189. g6 Rh8 190. f6 Rh3 191. e6 Rf3 192. f7 Ka8 193. d5 Ka7 194. g7 Rd3 195. g8=N Rh3 196. f8=N Rh8 197. e7 Rh3 198. e8=N Rh8 199. Nef6 Rh2 200. Ne6 Rxf2 201. Ne4 Rf7 202. Rc6 Rb7 203. Rc5 Ka8 204. Nd4 Rb8 205. d6 Rd8 206. d7 Rxd7 207. Rc8+ Kb7 208. Rc5 Ka8 209. Nf5 Rd8 210. Rg2 Kb8 211. Rg7 Rf8 212. Ngh6 Rc8 213. Rf7 Rh8 214. Rf6 Rd8 215. Rb6+ Ka7 216. Rc7+ Ka8 217. Rd6 Kb8 218. Rxd8+ Kxc7 219. Rd4 Kc6 220. Ng4 Kb7 221. Nfe3 Kc6 222. Kc4 Kc7 223. Rd5 Kb8 224. Rc5 Ka8 225. Kb5 Kb7 226. Rc6 Ka7 227. Rh6 Kb7 228. c4 Kc7 229. c5 Kd7 230. c6+ Ke7 231. Rh7+ Kf8 232. c7 Kg8 233. Rd7 Kh8 234. c8=R# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.