Who is stronger at chess? Computers or Humans?

[MM]

Hi all,

who is stronger: computers or humans? I mean, best software on i7 980x (6 cores 3,33 GHz, 16 GB of RAM) against best human player. 15 Moves of book for the computer, taken from the best recent public book. No tablebases.
How much elo distance on 120/40 repeated?

Thanks for voting

Best regards

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Computers....anything between 300-500 Elo

[MM]

Obviously 120/40 means 120 minutes per 40 moves (repeated).

Thanks

Regards

[acase]

Hello Maurizio,

I say Human +500 elo, because the Human can unplug the computer, or physically destroy it.

[MM]

Hello Maurizio,

I say Human +500 elo, because the Human can unplug the computer, or physically destroy it.

Hi Andrew,

Regards

[JuLieN]

Hello Maurizio,

I say Human +500 elo, because the Human can unplug the computer, or physically destroy it.

I'm sure this machine could do the same with a human grandmaster

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hi all,

who is stronger: computers or humans? I mean, best software on i7 980x (6 cores 3,33 GHz, 16 GB of RAM) against best human player. 15 Moves of book for the computer, taken from the best recent public book. No tablebases.
How much elo distance on 120/40 repeated?

Thanks for voting

Best regards

Dear Maurizio,

First of all thank you for your poll

I see you cloned my poll,without my permission and now i will loose many voters !!
I am just joking

Actually your poll is good,it has more detailed options...

But anyway i think you handicapped the match conditions

Why i7 980X processor should run be run at default speed 3.33 GHz?

i7 980X can easily be overclocked to @4.0GHz or @4.4GHz

Why you did not mentioned also 12 core Intel Xeon machines,those processor are real monster for chess?

Another handicapped condition is 'no tablebases' why no endgames ??

The most handicapped condition is,if the engines will be played with 'public book' why ??

Plus,how can we be sure ?...GMs can look for weakness in the public books
I mean,before starting the serious matches-Man vs Machine

Note also that i am organizing serious opening book tournaments since several years and so far i did not find 'best' book
In opening theory, there is no such term 'best book'

All experienced users know very well that the strongest opening books are private

Btw,which are the best chess softwares ?



Best,
Sedat

[MM]

Hi all,

who is stronger: computers or humans? I mean, best software on i7 980x (6 cores 3,33 GHz, 16 GB of RAM) against best human player. 15 Moves of book for the computer, taken from the best recent public book. No tablebases.
How much elo distance on 120/40 repeated?

Thanks for voting

Best regards

Dear Maurizio,

First of all thank you for your poll

I see you cloned my poll,without my permission and now i will loose many voters !!
I am just joking

Actually your poll is good,it has more detailed options...

But anyway i think you handicapped the match conditions

Why i7 980X processor should run be run at default speed 3.33 GHz?

i7 980X can easily be overclocked to @4.0GHz or @4.4GHz

Why you did not mentioned also 12 core Intel Xeon machines,those processor are real monster for chess?

Another handicapped condition is 'no tablebases' why no endgames ??

The most handicapped condition is,if the engines will be played with 'public book' why ??

Plus,how can we be sure ?...GMs can look for weakness in the public books
I mean,before starting the serious matches-Man vs Machine

Note also that i am organizing serious opening book tournaments since several years and so far i did not find 'best' book
In opening theory, there is no such term 'best book'

All experienced users know very well that the strongest opening books are private

Btw,which are the best chess softwares ?



Best,
Sedat

Hello Sedat, i wanted to give voice to your poll here live.

As regards the conditions i mentioned a single processor not overclocked but anyway powerful because i didn't consider needed something more extreme for the judge of the people.

About the tablebases, considering that the human has no tablebases or if he has it is due to his extraordinary memory, i preferred avoiding to give this benefit to the engine.

As regards the opening book, i choose a 15 moves of high quality and recent, trying to give both the same chances. Perhaps it would have been better a private book, but if i gave a private book, it would have been certainly made anti-human.

As regards the best software (without s) i let people decide what it should be. I have an idea, of course, but i didn't want to force the decision.

Same for the human player.

Thanks for interesting.

Best Regards

[Uri]

Human Grandmasters are still much better than computers. It is also logical because humans were the creators of computers and a creation can never be better (or smarter) than the creator.

Computers are just tools, nothing more.

[JuLieN]

Human Grandmasters are still much better than computers. It is also logical because humans were the creators of computers and a creation can never be stronger than the creator.

Computers are just tools, nothing more.

I beg to disagree: even my neighbor's Renault Twingo is faster than me... (And this is only half a joke: Karpov had the exact same argument regarding Deep Thought).