Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Father · Post by **Father** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm

lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.

..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.

Uri Blass · Post by **Uri Blass** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:37 pm

Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.

I agree but note that the 300 move rule that is against the fide rule is not something new and Larry Kaufnam is not responsible for lichess rules.

The reason for the 300 move rule is not related to the leaderboard because lichess had this rule before leela started to play with odds.

Uri Blass · Post by **Uri Blass** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:46 pm

I looked at more games with 300 moves

In one of them I was surprised that lc0 does not know to win KBN vs K
I hope you fix it and I think LeelaQueenOdds should play the same as default lc0 at least as soon as lc0 believes it has a clear advantage and maybe even if lc0 believes it got an equal position.

https://lichess.org/2Fdgm6X0

[pgn][Event "casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2Fdgm6X0"]
[Date "2025.08.17"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "gotschi"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "2Fdgm6X0"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.17"]
[UTCTime "09:38:14"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2066"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g4 Nxg4 3. Nc3 d5 4. d4 Bf5 5. Bg5 Bxc2 6. e3 Bg6 7. Nh4 Nf6 8. f3 e6 9. O-O-O Be7 10. Rg1 Nbd7 11. Nxg6 hxg6 12. e4 Rxh2 13. Bf4 Rh8 14. Kb1 c6 15. e5 Nh5 16. Bc1 g5 17. Ne2 Kf8 18. Rh1 g6 19. f4 Kg7 20. Rg1 gxf4 21. Bh3 Bg5 22. Bg4 f3 23. Bxf3 Bxc1 24. Rxc1 Qe7 25. Bg4 Rh7 26. Rc3 Rah8 27. Rb3 b6 28. Ra3 a5 29. Rf3 Kf8 30. a3 Ke8 31. Rc3 c5 32. Ka2 Ng7 33. dxc5 bxc5 34. Rb3 Kd8 35. Rb7 Kc8 36. Ra7 Kb8 37. Rxa5 Nxe5 38. Rg3 c4 39. Nd4 Rh2 40. Re3 Qb7 41. Rb5 Qxb5 42. Nxb5 Nc6 43. Rc3 Nf5 44. Bd1 R8h3 45. Rc1 Rh1 46. Nc3 Rd3 47. Rb1 Rd2 48. Ba4 Kc7?! { (-6.97 → -5.26) Inaccuracy. Rxb1 was best. } (48... Rxb1 49. Nxb1 Rh2 50. Bxc6 Kc7 51. Ba4 d4 52. Ka1 g5 53. Bd1 Ne3 54. a4) 49. Rxh1 d4 50. Ne4 Re2 51. Nc5 d3 52. Bd1 Re5 53. b4 cxb3+ 54. Nxb3 Re3 55. Kb2 e5 56. Nd2 e4 57. a4 Nd6 58. Kc3 f5 59. Rh7+ Kb6 60. Rd7 Kc5 61. Rxd6 Kxd6?? { (-4.84 → -0.51) Blunder. Re1 was best. } (61... Re1 62. Rxc6+ Kxc6 63. Bb3 e3 64. Nc4 d2 65. a5 d1=R 66. Ba4+ Kb7 67. Bxd1) 62. Nc4+ Kc5?! { (-0.83 → -0.20) Inaccuracy. Kd5 was best. } (62... Kd5 63. Nxe3+) 63. Nxe3 f4 64. Ng4 g5 65. Nf6 e3 66. Kxd3 Ne5+ 67. Ke4 Nc4 68. Be2 Na5 69. Kd3 Kb4 70. Bd1 Nb7 71. Nd5+ Ka5 72. Kd4 e2 73. Bxe2 Kxa4 74. Nf6 Kb4 75. Nd5+ Ka5 76. Bg4 Nd6 77. Kd3 Kb5 78. Kd4 Kc6 79. Nf6 Nf7 80. Bh5 Nh6 81. Ke5 Kc5 82. Ne4+ Kc4 83. Be2+ Kb4 84. Nxg5 Ng8 85. Kd6 Nf6 86. Bf3 Kc4 87. Ke6 Ne8 88. Ke5 Nc7 89. Be2+ Kc5 90. Ne4+ Kb6 91. Kd4 Nb5+ 92. Kd5 Nc7+ 93. Kc4 Kc6 94. Bf3 Kb6 95. Nc5 Na6 96. Nd7+ Kc7 97. Ne5 Kd6 98. Kd4 Nc7 99. Nc4+ Ke6 100. Ke4 Kf6 101. Bg4 Ne6 102. Nd2 Nc5+ 103. Kd5 Nd3 104. Ne4+ Kg6 105. Kd4 Nb4 106. Bd1 Nc6+ 107. Kd5 Ne7+ 108. Ke6 Ng8 109. Ke5 Ne7 110. Bf3 Kf7 111. Bh5+ Kg7 112. Ke6 Ng6 113. Kf5 Ne7+ 114. Kg5 Nd5 115. Bf3 Ne7 116. Nd6 Kf8 117. Kf6 Ng8+ 118. Ke6 Ne7 119. Nc4 Ng6 120. Kf6 Ne7 121. Ne5 Ng8+ 122. Ke6 Ne7 123. Nd7+ Ke8 124. Nc5 Kf8 125. Nd3 Ng6 126. Kf6 Nh4 127. Be4 f3 128. Nf2 Ng2 129. Bb7 Ke8 130. Ke6 Nf4+ 131. Ke5 Ng6+ 132. Kd6 Nh4 133. Be4 Kf7 134. Ke5 Ke7 135. Bc2 Kf7 136. Bb1 Ke7 137. Be4 Kf7 138. Kf4 Kf6?? { (0.00 → 1.85) Blunder. Ng6+ was best. } (138... Ng6+ 139. Kg5 Ne7 140. Bxf3 Ke6 141. Nd3 Nd5 142. Bd1 Nb6 143. Bf3 Ke7 144. Kf5) 139. Ng4+ Ke6 140. Bc2?? { (1.72 → 0.00) Blunder. Kg5 was best. } (140. Kg5 f2 141. Nxf2 Ke5 142. Kxh4 Kd4 143. Kg3 Kc3 144. Kf3 Kd2 145. Bd3 Kc1) 140... Kd5 141. Kg3 Ng2 142. Bh7 Kd4 143. Nf2 Ke3 144. Bg8 Ne1 145. Bc4 Nc2 146. Ng4+ Kd4 147. Bf7 Ne3 148. Nf2 Nf5+ 149. Kf4 Nd6 150. Be6 Nc4 151. Bd7 Nd2 152. Bf5 Kd5 153. Ke3 Nc4+ 154. Kd3 Ne5+ 155. Kc3 Nc6 156. Be4+ Kd6 157. Kc4 Ne5+ 158. Kd4 Ke6 159. Bc2 Nc6+ 160. Ke4 Ne5 161. Bb3+ Kf6 162. Ba2 Nc6 163. Bc4 Ne5 164. Bb3 Nc6 165. Ba4 Ne5 166. Bc2 Nc6 167. Bb3 Ne5 168. Ba4 Ng6 169. Bc2 Ne5 170. Kf4 Nc6 171. Ne4+ Ke7 172. Ba4 Nd4 173. Ke5 Ne2 174. Bc2 Kd7 175. Nd2 f2 176. Nf1 Nc3 177. Kd4 Nb5+ 178. Kc5 Nd6 179. Kd5 Ke7 180. Bd3 Nf7 181. Ne3 Ng5 182. Be2 Kf6 183. Bd3 Nf3 184. Nf1 Ng5 185. Nd2 Nh3 186. Bf1 Nf4+ 187. Kd4 Ne6+ 188. Ke4 Ng5+ 189. Kf4 Ne6+ 190. Kf3 Ng5+ 191. Kg4 Ne6 192. Nc4 Nc5 193. Kf4 Ke6 194. Ne3 Kf6 195. Bc4 Nd7 196. Ke4 Nc5+ 197. Kd5 Ne6 198. Bf1 Ng5 199. Bd3 Nf3 200. Nf1 Kg5 201. Ke4 Nh4 202. Bb5 Ng6 203. Bc4 Ne7 204. Bd3 Nc6 205. Bb5 Ne7 206. Bd7 Ng6 207. Bc8 Ne7 208. Be6 Ng6 209. Bb3 Ne7 210. Bc2 Ng6 211. Ba4 Ne7 212. Bb3 Ng6 213. Bc2 Ne7 214. Bd3 Ng6 215. Bc4 Ne7 216. Ba6 Ng6 217. Nd2 Ne7 218. Kf3 Ng6 219. Ne4+ Kf5 220. Ke3 Ke5 221. Nxf2 Ne7 222. Nd3+ Kf6 223. Ke4 Nf5 224. Kd5 Ne3+ 225. Ke4 Nf5 226. Nc5 Nd6+ 227. Kd5 Nf5 228. Ne4+ Ke7 229. Ke5 Ng7 230. Bc4 Ne8 231. Bb3 Nc7 232. Ba4 Ne8 233. Bb5 Nc7 234. Be2 Ne8 235. Bd1 Ng7 236. Nd6 Ne8 237. Nf5+ Kf8 238. Bb3 Ng7 239. Nh4 Ne8 240. Ke6 Ng7+ 241. Kd7 Nh5 242. Nf5 Nf4 243. Kd6 Nh5 244. Ke5 Ng7 245. Ng3 Ne8 246. Ke6 Ng7+ 247. Kd7 Ne8 248. Ne4 Ng7 249. Ng5 Nh5 250. Ne6+ Kf7 251. Nf4+ Kf8 252. Nd5 Ng7 253. Ne3 Nh5 254. Nf5 Nf6+ 255. Ke6 Nh5 256. Nd6 Ng7+ 257. Ke5 Nh5 258. Bd1 Ng7 259. Ba4 Nh5 260. Nf5 Kf7 261. Nh4 Ke7 262. Bb3 Kf8 263. Bd1 Ng7 264. Ng6+ Ke8 265. Kf6 Nh5+ 266. Bxh5 Kd7 267. Ke5 Kd8 268. Kd6 Ke8 269. Nf4+ Kf8 270. Ke6 Kg7 271. Kf5 Kh6 272. Bg4 Kg7 273. Ke6 Kh6 274. Kf6 Kh7 275. Bf5+ Kh8 276. Ng6+ Kh7 277. Ne5+ Kg8 278. Nc6 Kh8 279. Bg6 Kg8 280. Nd4 Kh8 281. Be4 Kg8 282. Ne6 Kh8 283. Kg6 Kg8 284. Bd5 Kh8 285. Kf7 Kh7 286. Nf4 Kh8 287. Kf6 Kh7 288. Ng6 Kh6 289. Bf3 Kh7 290. Ne5 Kh8 291. Kg6 Kg8 292. Bd5+ Kh8 293. Nf7+ Kg8 294. Kf6 Kh7 295. Ne5 Kh8 296. Ng6+ Kh7 297. Nf4 Kh8 298. Kf7 Kh7 299. Be4+ Kh8 300. Kg6 Kg8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2
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Father · Post by **Father** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:58 pm

Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:46 pm I looked at more games with 300 moves

In one of them I was surprised that lc0 does not know to win KBN vs K
I hope you fix it and I think LeelaQueenOdds should play the same as default lc0 at least as soon as lc0 believes it has a clear advantage and maybe even if lc0 believes it got an equal position.

https://lichess.org/2Fdgm6X0

[pgn][Event "casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2Fdgm6X0"]
[Date "2025.08.17"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "gotschi"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "2Fdgm6X0"]
[UTCDate "2025.08.17"]
[UTCTime "09:38:14"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2066"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+5"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g4 Nxg4 3. Nc3 d5 4. d4 Bf5 5. Bg5 Bxc2 6. e3 Bg6 7. Nh4 Nf6 8. f3 e6 9. O-O-O Be7 10. Rg1 Nbd7 11. Nxg6 hxg6 12. e4 Rxh2 13. Bf4 Rh8 14. Kb1 c6 15. e5 Nh5 16. Bc1 g5 17. Ne2 Kf8 18. Rh1 g6 19. f4 Kg7 20. Rg1 gxf4 21. Bh3 Bg5 22. Bg4 f3 23. Bxf3 Bxc1 24. Rxc1 Qe7 25. Bg4 Rh7 26. Rc3 Rah8 27. Rb3 b6 28. Ra3 a5 29. Rf3 Kf8 30. a3 Ke8 31. Rc3 c5 32. Ka2 Ng7 33. dxc5 bxc5 34. Rb3 Kd8 35. Rb7 Kc8 36. Ra7 Kb8 37. Rxa5 Nxe5 38. Rg3 c4 39. Nd4 Rh2 40. Re3 Qb7 41. Rb5 Qxb5 42. Nxb5 Nc6 43. Rc3 Nf5 44. Bd1 R8h3 45. Rc1 Rh1 46. Nc3 Rd3 47. Rb1 Rd2 48. Ba4 Kc7?! { (-6.97 → -5.26) Inaccuracy. Rxb1 was best. } (48... Rxb1 49. Nxb1 Rh2 50. Bxc6 Kc7 51. Ba4 d4 52. Ka1 g5 53. Bd1 Ne3 54. a4) 49. Rxh1 d4 50. Ne4 Re2 51. Nc5 d3 52. Bd1 Re5 53. b4 cxb3+ 54. Nxb3 Re3 55. Kb2 e5 56. Nd2 e4 57. a4 Nd6 58. Kc3 f5 59. Rh7+ Kb6 60. Rd7 Kc5 61. Rxd6 Kxd6?? { (-4.84 → -0.51) Blunder. Re1 was best. } (61... Re1 62. Rxc6+ Kxc6 63. Bb3 e3 64. Nc4 d2 65. a5 d1=R 66. Ba4+ Kb7 67. Bxd1) 62. Nc4+ Kc5?! { (-0.83 → -0.20) Inaccuracy. Kd5 was best. } (62... Kd5 63. Nxe3+) 63. Nxe3 f4 64. Ng4 g5 65. Nf6 e3 66. Kxd3 Ne5+ 67. Ke4 Nc4 68. Be2 Na5 69. Kd3 Kb4 70. Bd1 Nb7 71. Nd5+ Ka5 72. Kd4 e2 73. Bxe2 Kxa4 74. Nf6 Kb4 75. Nd5+ Ka5 76. Bg4 Nd6 77. Kd3 Kb5 78. Kd4 Kc6 79. Nf6 Nf7 80. Bh5 Nh6 81. Ke5 Kc5 82. Ne4+ Kc4 83. Be2+ Kb4 84. Nxg5 Ng8 85. Kd6 Nf6 86. Bf3 Kc4 87. Ke6 Ne8 88. Ke5 Nc7 89. Be2+ Kc5 90. Ne4+ Kb6 91. Kd4 Nb5+ 92. Kd5 Nc7+ 93. Kc4 Kc6 94. Bf3 Kb6 95. Nc5 Na6 96. Nd7+ Kc7 97. Ne5 Kd6 98. Kd4 Nc7 99. Nc4+ Ke6 100. Ke4 Kf6 101. Bg4 Ne6 102. Nd2 Nc5+ 103. Kd5 Nd3 104. Ne4+ Kg6 105. Kd4 Nb4 106. Bd1 Nc6+ 107. Kd5 Ne7+ 108. Ke6 Ng8 109. Ke5 Ne7 110. Bf3 Kf7 111. Bh5+ Kg7 112. Ke6 Ng6 113. Kf5 Ne7+ 114. Kg5 Nd5 115. Bf3 Ne7 116. Nd6 Kf8 117. Kf6 Ng8+ 118. Ke6 Ne7 119. Nc4 Ng6 120. Kf6 Ne7 121. Ne5 Ng8+ 122. Ke6 Ne7 123. Nd7+ Ke8 124. Nc5 Kf8 125. Nd3 Ng6 126. Kf6 Nh4 127. Be4 f3 128. Nf2 Ng2 129. Bb7 Ke8 130. Ke6 Nf4+ 131. Ke5 Ng6+ 132. Kd6 Nh4 133. Be4 Kf7 134. Ke5 Ke7 135. Bc2 Kf7 136. Bb1 Ke7 137. Be4 Kf7 138. Kf4 Kf6?? { (0.00 → 1.85) Blunder. Ng6+ was best. } (138... Ng6+ 139. Kg5 Ne7 140. Bxf3 Ke6 141. Nd3 Nd5 142. Bd1 Nb6 143. Bf3 Ke7 144. Kf5) 139. Ng4+ Ke6 140. Bc2?? { (1.72 → 0.00) Blunder. Kg5 was best. } (140. Kg5 f2 141. Nxf2 Ke5 142. Kxh4 Kd4 143. Kg3 Kc3 144. Kf3 Kd2 145. Bd3 Kc1) 140... Kd5 141. Kg3 Ng2 142. Bh7 Kd4 143. Nf2 Ke3 144. Bg8 Ne1 145. Bc4 Nc2 146. Ng4+ Kd4 147. Bf7 Ne3 148. Nf2 Nf5+ 149. Kf4 Nd6 150. Be6 Nc4 151. Bd7 Nd2 152. Bf5 Kd5 153. Ke3 Nc4+ 154. Kd3 Ne5+ 155. Kc3 Nc6 156. Be4+ Kd6 157. Kc4 Ne5+ 158. Kd4 Ke6 159. Bc2 Nc6+ 160. Ke4 Ne5 161. Bb3+ Kf6 162. Ba2 Nc6 163. Bc4 Ne5 164. Bb3 Nc6 165. Ba4 Ne5 166. Bc2 Nc6 167. Bb3 Ne5 168. Ba4 Ng6 169. Bc2 Ne5 170. Kf4 Nc6 171. Ne4+ Ke7 172. Ba4 Nd4 173. Ke5 Ne2 174. Bc2 Kd7 175. Nd2 f2 176. Nf1 Nc3 177. Kd4 Nb5+ 178. Kc5 Nd6 179. Kd5 Ke7 180. Bd3 Nf7 181. Ne3 Ng5 182. Be2 Kf6 183. Bd3 Nf3 184. Nf1 Ng5 185. Nd2 Nh3 186. Bf1 Nf4+ 187. Kd4 Ne6+ 188. Ke4 Ng5+ 189. Kf4 Ne6+ 190. Kf3 Ng5+ 191. Kg4 Ne6 192. Nc4 Nc5 193. Kf4 Ke6 194. Ne3 Kf6 195. Bc4 Nd7 196. Ke4 Nc5+ 197. Kd5 Ne6 198. Bf1 Ng5 199. Bd3 Nf3 200. Nf1 Kg5 201. Ke4 Nh4 202. Bb5 Ng6 203. Bc4 Ne7 204. Bd3 Nc6 205. Bb5 Ne7 206. Bd7 Ng6 207. Bc8 Ne7 208. Be6 Ng6 209. Bb3 Ne7 210. Bc2 Ng6 211. Ba4 Ne7 212. Bb3 Ng6 213. Bc2 Ne7 214. Bd3 Ng6 215. Bc4 Ne7 216. Ba6 Ng6 217. Nd2 Ne7 218. Kf3 Ng6 219. Ne4+ Kf5 220. Ke3 Ke5 221. Nxf2 Ne7 222. Nd3+ Kf6 223. Ke4 Nf5 224. Kd5 Ne3+ 225. Ke4 Nf5 226. Nc5 Nd6+ 227. Kd5 Nf5 228. Ne4+ Ke7 229. Ke5 Ng7 230. Bc4 Ne8 231. Bb3 Nc7 232. Ba4 Ne8 233. Bb5 Nc7 234. Be2 Ne8 235. Bd1 Ng7 236. Nd6 Ne8 237. Nf5+ Kf8 238. Bb3 Ng7 239. Nh4 Ne8 240. Ke6 Ng7+ 241. Kd7 Nh5 242. Nf5 Nf4 243. Kd6 Nh5 244. Ke5 Ng7 245. Ng3 Ne8 246. Ke6 Ng7+ 247. Kd7 Ne8 248. Ne4 Ng7 249. Ng5 Nh5 250. Ne6+ Kf7 251. Nf4+ Kf8 252. Nd5 Ng7 253. Ne3 Nh5 254. Nf5 Nf6+ 255. Ke6 Nh5 256. Nd6 Ng7+ 257. Ke5 Nh5 258. Bd1 Ng7 259. Ba4 Nh5 260. Nf5 Kf7 261. Nh4 Ke7 262. Bb3 Kf8 263. Bd1 Ng7 264. Ng6+ Ke8 265. Kf6 Nh5+ 266. Bxh5 Kd7 267. Ke5 Kd8 268. Kd6 Ke8 269. Nf4+ Kf8 270. Ke6 Kg7 271. Kf5 Kh6 272. Bg4 Kg7 273. Ke6 Kh6 274. Kf6 Kh7 275. Bf5+ Kh8 276. Ng6+ Kh7 277. Ne5+ Kg8 278. Nc6 Kh8 279. Bg6 Kg8 280. Nd4 Kh8 281. Be4 Kg8 282. Ne6 Kh8 283. Kg6 Kg8 284. Bd5 Kh8 285. Kf7 Kh7 286. Nf4 Kh8 287. Kf6 Kh7 288. Ng6 Kh6 289. Bf3 Kh7 290. Ne5 Kh8 291. Kg6 Kg8 292. Bd5+ Kh8 293. Nf7+ Kg8 294. Kf6 Kh7 295. Ne5 Kh8 296. Ng6+ Kh7 297. Nf4 Kh8 298. Kf7 Kh7 299. Be4+ Kh8 300. Kg6 Kg8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2
[/pgn]

Uri... If I remember correctly, I think I've played games with more than 300 moves, but the thing is that I don't have a record of my games and I don't know how to consult them until a certain point or date... This small and quick game that I just played in bullet almost reached three hundred moves but I didn't make it... A game as fast as "thunder and lightning."
[pgn][Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/IGyRXncQ"]
[Date "2025.09.12"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "IGyRXncQ"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.12"]
[UTCTime "18:45:00"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 1... e6 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 2. f4 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 2... c5 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 3. e3 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 3... g5 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 4. Nf3 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 4... h6 { [%clk 0:00:57] } 5. c3 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 5... b6 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 6. Bd3 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 6... f6 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 7. Qe2 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 7... Bd6 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 8. O-O { [%clk 0:01:02] } 8... Bc7 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 9. g3 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 9... Nc6 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 10. Rf2 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 10... g4 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 11. Nh4 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 11... Bb7 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 12. Ba6 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 12... Bxa6 { [%clk 0:00:57] } 13. Qxa6 { [%clk 0:01:03] } 13... Nge7 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 14. Rg2 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 14... f5 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 15. Bd2 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 15... Kf7 { [%clk 0:00:57] } 16. Be1 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 16... d5 { [%clk 0:00:57] } 17. Qe2 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 17... Rad8 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 18. a3 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 18... a6 { [%clk 0:00:57] } 19. Qxa6 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 19... c4 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 20. Qa4 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 20... Ra8 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 21. Qc2 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 21... Ng8 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 22. Nd2 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 22... Nf6 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 23. Nf1 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 23... b5 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 24. Rb1 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 24... Ne7 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 25. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 25... h5 { [%clk 0:00:58] } 26. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 26... Nc8 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 27. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 27... Nd6 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 28. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 28... Ra4 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 29. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:03] } 29... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 30. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:04] } 30... Bd8 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 31. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:05] } 31... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:00] } 32. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 32... Bb6 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 33. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 33... Bd8 { [%clk 0:01:01] } 34. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:07] } 34... Rg8 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 35. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:07] } 35... Kh6 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 36. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:08] } 36... Bb6 { [%clk 0:01:02] } 37. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:09] } 37... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:03] } 38. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:10] } 38... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:03] } 39. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:11] } 39... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:04] } 40. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 40... Kh8 { [%clk 0:01:05] } 41. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 41... Rg7 { [%clk 0:01:05] } 42. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:14] } 42... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 43. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 43... Rg8 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 44. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:16] } 44... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 45. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:17] } 45... Ba5 { [%clk 0:01:07] } 46. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:17] } 46... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 47. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:18] } 47... Rh8 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 48. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:19] } 48... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:06] } 49. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:20] } 49... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:07] } 50. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:20] } 50... Kg8 { [%clk 0:01:07] } 51. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:21] } 51... Rh7 { [%clk 0:01:08] } 52. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:22] } 52... Rc7 { [%clk 0:01:08] } 53. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:22] } 53... Rg7 { [%clk 0:01:08] } 54. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:22] } 54... Rb7 { [%clk 0:01:08] } 55. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 55... Rh7 { [%clk 0:01:09] } 56. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 56... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:09] } 57. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 57... Kh8 { [%clk 0:01:10] } 58. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:25] } 58... Kg8 { [%clk 0:01:10] } 59. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:25] } 59... Kh8 { [%clk 0:01:11] } 60. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:26] } 60... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:11] } 61. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:26] } 61... Kg8 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 62. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:27] } 62... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 63. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:27] } 63... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 64. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:28] } 64... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:11] } 65. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:28] } 65... Kh8 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 66. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:29] } 66... Kg8 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 67. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:29] } 67... Rc6 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 68. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:30] } 68... Kg7 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 69. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:30] } 69... Nh7 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 70. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 70... Bd8 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 71. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 71... Nf6 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 72. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 72... Nd7 { [%clk 0:01:14] } 73. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 73... Bxh4 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 74. gxh4 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 74... Nf6 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 75. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 75... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:12] } 76. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:33] } 76... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 77. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 77... Kh7 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 78. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 78... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:13] } 79. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 79... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:14] } 80. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 80... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 81. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:36] } 81... Re7 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 82. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:36] } 82... Kg6 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 83. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:36] } 83... Kh6 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 84. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 84... Kg6 { [%clk 0:01:15] } 85. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 85... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:16] } 86. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 86... Rh7 { [%clk 0:01:17] } 87. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 87... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:17] } 88. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:39] } 88... Rh7 { [%clk 0:01:18] } 89. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:40] } 89... Rc7 { [%clk 0:01:18] } 90. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:40] } 90... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:19] } 91. Re2 { [%clk 0:01:41] } 91... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:19] } 92. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:41] } 92... Rc7 { [%clk 0:01:20] } 93. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:42] } 93... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:20] } 94. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:42] } 94... Rc8 { [%clk 0:01:21] } 95. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:43] } 95... Rc7 { [%clk 0:01:21] } 96. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:44] } 96... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:22] } 97. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:44] } 97... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 98. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:45] } 98... Ra5 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 99. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:45] } 99... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 100. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:46] } 100... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:23] } 101. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:47] } 101... Ra5 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 102. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:47] } 102... Rb7 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 103. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:48] } 103... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 104. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:48] } 104... Raa7 { [%clk 0:01:25] } 105. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 105... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:26] } 106. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 106... Nfe8 { [%clk 0:01:26] } 107. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 107... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:27] } 108. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:50] } 108... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:27] } 109. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:51] } 109... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:28] } 110. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:51] } 110... Ra5 { [%clk 0:01:28] } 111. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:52] } 111... Rd7 { [%clk 0:01:29] } 112. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:52] } 112... Raa7 { [%clk 0:01:30] } 113. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:53] } 113... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:30] } 114. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:53] } 114... Rf7 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 115. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:54] } 115... Rh7 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 116. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:54] } 116... Re7 { [%clk 0:01:30] } 117. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:55] } 117... Ra5 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 118. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:55] } 118... Raa7 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 119. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:55] } 119... Ra6 { [%clk 0:01:31] } 120. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 120... Ng7 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 121. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 121... Rc6 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 122. Kg1 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 122... g3 { [%clk 0:01:32] } 123. Bxg3 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 123... Kf7 { [%clk 0:01:33] } 124. Kh1 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 124... Ke8 { [%clk 0:01:33] } 125. Rg2 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 125... Kd8 { [%clk 0:01:33] } 126. Be1 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 126... Nge8 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 127. Rg5 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 127... Nf6 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 128. Qg2 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 128... Rcc7 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 129. Nd2 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 129... Nde8 { [%clk 0:01:34] } 130. Bf2 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 130... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 131. Rg1 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 131... Kc6 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 132. Be1 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 132... Kb6 { [%clk 0:01:36] } 133. Nf3 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 133... Ka5 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 134. Ne5 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 134... Rc8 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 135. Qe2 { [%clk 0:01:53] } 135... Ka4 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 136. R1g2 { [%clk 0:01:48] } 136... Ka5 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 137. Rxh5 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 137... Nxh5 { [%clk 0:01:36] } 138. Qxh5 { [%clk 0:01:35] } 138... Nd6 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 139. Qg6 { [%clk 0:01:26] } 139... Ka4 { [%clk 0:01:37] } 140. h5 { [%clk 0:01:25] } 140... b4 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 141. axb4 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 141... Rce8 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 142. h6 { [%clk 0:01:24] } 142... Kb3 { [%clk 0:01:39] } 143. h4 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 143... Ka2 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 144. h5 { [%clk 0:00:59] } 144... Kb3 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 145. h7 { [%clk 0:00:34] } 145... Rh8 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 146. Nf7 { [%clk 0:00:33] } 146... Rxf7 { [%clk 0:01:38] } 147. Qxe6 { [%clk 0:00:31] } 147... Rfxh7 { [%clk 0:01:39] } 148. Qxd6 { [%clk 0:00:31] } 148... Rxh5+ { [%clk 0:01:39] } 149. Kg1 { [%clk 0:00:31] } 149... R5h6 { [%clk 0:01:40] } 150. Qxd5 { [%clk 0:00:30] } 150... Rh3 { [%clk 0:01:41] } 151. Kf2 { [%clk 0:00:29] } 151... Re8 { [%clk 0:01:41] } 152. Qa5 { [%clk 0:00:26] } 152... Rf3+ { [%clk 0:01:42] } 153. Kg1 { [%clk 0:00:26] } 153... Ra8 { [%clk 0:01:42] } 154. Qxa8 { [%clk 0:00:25] } 154... Rf1+ { [%clk 0:01:43] } 155. Kh2 { [%clk 0:00:23] } 155... Rh1+ { [%clk 0:01:43] } 156. Kg3 { [%clk 0:00:23] } 156... Rh3+ { [%clk 0:01:44] } 157. Kf2 { [%clk 0:00:20] } 157... Rh1 { [%clk 0:01:45] } 158. Qa3+ { [%clk 0:00:19] } 158... Kc2 { [%clk 0:01:46] } 159. Kg3+ { [%clk 0:00:17] } 159... Kd3 { [%clk 0:01:47] } 160. b3 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 160... Rxe1 { [%clk 0:01:46] } 161. Kh2 { [%clk 0:00:08] } 161... Ke4 { [%clk 0:01:45] } 162. bxc4 { [%clk 0:00:07] } 162... Kf3 { [%clk 0:01:45] } 163. Qa2 { [%clk 0:00:07] } 163... Rc1 { [%clk 0:01:46] } 164. Qe2+ { [%clk 0:00:06] } 164... Ke4 { [%clk 0:01:47] } 165. Qc2+ { [%clk 0:00:05] } 165... Rxc2 { [%clk 0:01:47] } 166. Rxc2 { [%clk 0:00:05] } 166... Kd3 { [%clk 0:01:48] } 167. Rc1 { [%clk 0:00:06] } 167... Kxc4 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 168. Kg2 { [%clk 0:00:05] } 168... Kd5 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 169. Kf3 { [%clk 0:00:06] } 169... Kc4 { [%clk 0:01:49] } 170. Ke2 { [%clk 0:00:06] } 170... Kd5 { [%clk 0:01:50] } 171. Kd3 { [%clk 0:00:07] } 171... Kc6 { [%clk 0:01:51] } 172. c4 { [%clk 0:00:07] } 172... Kd6 { [%clk 0:01:51] } 173. d5 { [%clk 0:00:08] } 173... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:52] } 174. Kd4 { [%clk 0:00:08] } 174... Kd6 { [%clk 0:01:52] } 175. c5+ { [%clk 0:00:09] } 175... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:53] } 176. b5 { [%clk 0:00:10] } 176... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:53] } 177. Ke5 { [%clk 0:00:10] } 177... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:54] } 178. Kxf5 { [%clk 0:00:11] } 178... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:55] } 179. Ke5 { [%clk 0:00:12] } 179... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:55] } 180. Kd4 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 180... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 181. e4 { [%clk 0:00:14] } 181... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:56] } 182. e5 { [%clk 0:00:15] } 182... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:57] } 183. f5 { [%clk 0:00:16] } 183... Kc7 { [%clk 0:01:58] } 184. Rh1 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 184... Kd7 { [%clk 0:01:59] } 185. Rh7+ { [%clk 0:00:17] } 185... Ke8 { [%clk 0:01:59] } 186. f6 { [%clk 0:00:18] } 186... Kf8 { [%clk 0:02:00] } 187. e6 { [%clk 0:00:19] } 187... Kg8 { [%clk 0:02:01] } 188. Ra7 { [%clk 0:00:18] } 188... Kh8 { [%clk 0:02:02] } 189. d6 { [%clk 0:00:19] } 189... Kg8 { [%clk 0:02:03] } 190. c6 { [%clk 0:00:20] } 190... Kh8 { [%clk 0:02:04] } 191. b6 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 191... Kg8 { [%clk 0:02:04] } 192. b7 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 192... Kh7 { [%clk 0:02:05] } 193. Ke5 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 193... Kg6 { [%clk 0:02:06] } 194. c7 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 194... Kg5 { [%clk 0:02:06] } 195. d7 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 195... Kg4 { [%clk 0:02:07] } 196. e7 { [%clk 0:00:21] } 196... Kf3 { [%clk 0:02:07] } 197. f7 { [%clk 0:00:22] } 197... Kg4 { [%clk 0:02:08] } 198. f8=B { [%clk 0:00:21] } 198... Kf3 { [%clk 0:02:08] } 199. e8=B { [%clk 0:00:21] } 199... Kg3 { [%clk 0:02:08] } 200. d8=B { [%clk 0:00:21] } 200... Kf3 { [%clk 0:02:08] } 201. c8=B { [%clk 0:00:21] } 201... Ke3 { [%clk 0:02:09] } 202. b8=B { [%clk 0:00:20] } 202... Kd3 { [%clk 0:02:09] } 203. Ra3+ { [%clk 0:00:19] } 203... Ke2 { [%clk 0:02:09] } 204. Bb5+ { [%clk 0:00:18] } 204... Kd2 { [%clk 0:02:10] } 205. Bb4+ { [%clk 0:00:18] } 205... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:11] } 206. Bf5+ { [%clk 0:00:16] } 206... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:12] } 207. Rd3 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 207... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:12] } 208. Ke4 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 208... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:13] } 209. Ke3 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 209... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:14] } 210. Bg5 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 210... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:15] } 211. Bbf4 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 211... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:15] } 212. Bg3 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 212... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:16] } 213. B3h4 { [%clk 0:00:14] } 213... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:17] } 214. Ke2+ { [%clk 0:00:14] } 214... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:18] } 215. Ke3 { [%clk 0:00:14] } 215... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:19] } 216. Bbe7 { [%clk 0:00:11] } 216... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:19] } 217. Be8 { [%clk 0:00:12] } 217... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:20] } 218. Bfg6 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 218... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:21] } 219. Bgf7 { [%clk 0:00:13] } 219... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:22] } 220. Bh6 { [%clk 0:00:14] } 220... Kb1 { [%clk 0:02:22] } 221. Bhf8 { [%clk 0:00:15] } 221... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:23] } 222. Bhg5 { [%clk 0:00:15] } 222... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:24] } 223. Bgf6 { [%clk 0:00:16] } 223... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:25] } 224. B6g7 { [%clk 0:00:16] } 224... Kb1 { [%clk 0:02:25] } 225. Bh8 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 225... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:26] } 226. Kd4 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 226... Kb2 { [%clk 0:02:27] } 227. Kc4+ { [%clk 0:00:18] } 227... Kc2 { [%clk 0:02:28] } 228. Be6 { [%clk 0:00:16] } 228... Kb1 { [%clk 0:02:29] } 229. Kc3 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 229... Kc1 { [%clk 0:02:29] } 230. Rd2 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 230... Kb1 { [%clk 0:02:30] } 231. Rh2 { [%clk 0:00:17] } 231... Ka1 { [%clk 0:02:31] } 232. Kb3+ { [%clk 0:00:17] } 232... Kb1 { [%clk 0:02:32] } 233. Rh1# { [%clk 0:00:17] } { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0

[/pgn]

lkaufman · Post by **lkaufman** » Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:16 am

Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.

Rating rules are different from play rules. Play is governed by FIDE rules except as modified for online play, such as automatic draw by repetition and 50 move rule rather than requiring claims, no touch-move rule, etc., and in the case of LiChess a 300 move draw rule that applies to all games, not specially to engine games. Rating rules vary, FIDE itself keeps changing their rules, which differ substantially from US chess (and other national) rating rules. Some people have advocated that even for human ratings, draws should not be rated, but I wouldn't favor that radical a policy. But some limitations on which draws should be rated are reasonable, whether based on number of moves, amount of remaining material, or the current rule that no more than six draws can be rated until you win a game. We want to encourage anyone playing for a spot on the Leaderboard to choose a time limit at which they can win at least one game out of five or so. This doesn't require a very high level of skill for queen odds in the Rapid range.

Uri Blass · Post by **Uri Blass** » Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:37 am

lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:16 am
Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.
Rating rules are different from play rules. Play is governed by FIDE rules except as modified for online play, such as automatic draw by repetition and 50 move rule rather than requiring claims, no touch-move rule, etc., and in the case of LiChess a 300 move draw rule that applies to all games, not specially to engine games. Rating rules vary, FIDE itself keeps changing their rules, which differ substantially from US chess (and other national) rating rules. Some people have advocated that even for human ratings, draws should not be rated, but I wouldn't favor that radical a policy. But some limitations on which draws should be rated are reasonable, whether based on number of moves, amount of remaining material, or the current rule that no more than six draws can be rated until you win a game. We want to encourage anyone playing for a spot on the Leaderboard to choose a time limit at which they can win at least one game out of five or so. This doesn't require a very high level of skill for queen odds in the Rapid range.

For rating rules fide keeps changing the rules but it is not something similiar to the rules in the Leela LeaderBoard.
Fide basically change K to decide about the speed the rating change but it is not based on results of the player.

You can have K=40 or K=20 or K=10 based on the age of the player or the rating of the player or experience of the player
or you can reduce K for people who play too many games in a month but you do not reduce K for draws or decide that K=0 for people who draw too many games.

lkaufman · Post by **lkaufman** » Sat Sep 13, 2025 5:57 pm

Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:37 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:16 am
Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.
Rating rules are different from play rules. Play is governed by FIDE rules except as modified for online play, such as automatic draw by repetition and 50 move rule rather than requiring claims, no touch-move rule, etc., and in the case of LiChess a 300 move draw rule that applies to all games, not specially to engine games. Rating rules vary, FIDE itself keeps changing their rules, which differ substantially from US chess (and other national) rating rules. Some people have advocated that even for human ratings, draws should not be rated, but I wouldn't favor that radical a policy. But some limitations on which draws should be rated are reasonable, whether based on number of moves, amount of remaining material, or the current rule that no more than six draws can be rated until you win a game. We want to encourage anyone playing for a spot on the Leaderboard to choose a time limit at which they can win at least one game out of five or so. This doesn't require a very high level of skill for queen odds in the Rapid range.
For rating rules fide keeps changing the rules but it is not something similiar to the rules in the Leela LeaderBoard.
Fide basically change K to decide about the speed the rating change but it is not based on results of the player.

You can have K=40 or K=20 or K=10 based on the age of the player or the rating of the player or experience of the player
or you can reduce K for people who play too many games in a month but you do not reduce K for draws or decide that K=0 for people who draw too many games.

There is another rating rule that FIDE has changed recently. A year ago they added a rule (which I think had been in effect many years ago but was rescinded) that rating differences of more than 400 will be counted as just 400. This has already caused Hikaru Nakamura to gain 9 FIDE elo points in two weeks with wins over low rated players. The point is that rating rules, unlike chess-play rules, are not universal or constant for long periods of time. Rules that work well with adults don't work well with kids, and certainly rating of odds games between engines and humans is more different than those two cases.

Father · Post by **Father** » Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:35 pm

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Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:37 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:16 am
Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.
Rating rules are different from play rules. Play is governed by FIDE rules except as modified for online play, such as automatic draw by repetition and 50 move rule rather than requiring claims, no touch-move rule, etc., and in the case of LiChess a 300 move draw rule that applies to all games, not specially to engine games. Rating rules vary, FIDE itself keeps changing their rules, which differ substantially from US chess (and other national) rating rules. Some people have advocated that even for human ratings, draws should not be rated, but I wouldn't favor that radical a policy. But some limitations on which draws should be rated are reasonable, whether based on number of moves, amount of remaining material, or the current rule that no more than six draws can be rated until you win a game. We want to encourage anyone playing for a spot on the Leaderboard to choose a time limit at which they can win at least one game out of five or so. This doesn't require a very high level of skill for queen odds in the Rapid range.
For rating rules fide keeps changing the rules but it is not something similiar to the rules in the Leela LeaderBoard.
Fide basically change K to decide about the speed the rating change but it is not based on results of the player.

You can have K=40 or K=20 or K=10 based on the age of the player or the rating of the player or experience of the player
or you can reduce K for people who play too many games in a month but you do not reduce K for draws or decide that K=0 for people who draw too many games.

[pgn] [Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Wh5lAdgV"]
[Date "2025.09.14"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "Wh5lAdgV"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.14"]
[UTCTime "14:23:21"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. f4 b6 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 Bb4+ 5. c3 Be7 6. Bd3 f5 7. Qe2 a6 8. O-O Nf6 9. g3 h5 10. Rf2 a5 11. h4 Kd8 12. Rg2 Bb7 13. Nbd2 a4 14. a3 Kc8 15. Nf1 Nc6 16. Bd2 Kb8 17. Be1 Re8 18. Rd1 Bf8 19. Ng5 Na5 20. Nh2 c5 21. Nhf3 c4 22. Bxc4 Nxc4 23. Qxc4 Rc8 24. Qe2 Ba6 25. Qc2 Bc4 26. Bd2 Bb3 27. Qb1 b5 28. Re1 Ra6 29. Ne5 d5 30. Nef3 Be7 31. Kh1 Ka7 32. Kg1 Ka8 33. Kh1 Ka7 34. Kg1 Rg8 35. Kh1 Bf8 36. Kg1 Be7 37. Kh1 Bf8 38. Kg1 Rb6 39. Kh1 Kb8 40. Kg1 Ka7 41. Kh1 Kb7 42. Kg1 Ka6 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Rg7 45. Kh1 Ra6 46. Kg1 Kb8 47. Kh1 Kc8 48. Kg1 Kb8 49. Kh1 Kc8 50. Kg1 Kc7 51. Kh1 Rb6 52. Kg1 Ra6 53. Kh1 Rb6 54. Kg1 Kd7 55. Kh1 Ra6 56. Kg1 Rg8 57. Kh1 Rg7 58. Kg1 Ne8 59. Kh1 Rd6 60. Kg1 Kc8 61. Kh1 Rb6 62. Kg1 Ra6 63. Kh1 Kd7 64. Kg1 Rb6 65. Kh1 Rg8 66. Kg1 Ra6 67. Kh1 Bh6 68. Kg1 Kc8 69. Kh1 Bxg5 70. hxg5 Nd6 71. Kg1 Rg7 72. Kh1 Ne4 73. Kg1 Kb7 74. Kh1 Ra8 75. Kg1 Ka6 76. Kh1 Rh8 77. Kg1 Kb6 78. Kh1 Ka6 79. Kg1 Ra8 80. Ree2 Ka7 81. Be1 Bc4 82. Ref2 Nd6 83. Kh1 Rb8 84. Nd2 Rc7 85. Nxc4 bxc4 86. Qa2 Rb3 87. Re2 Ne4 88. Kg1 Rc6 89. Kh1 Kb7 90. Kg1 Kb6 91. Kh1 Kb7 92. Kg1 Kb6 93. Kh1 Rd6 94. Kg1 Kb7 95. Kh1 Kc6 96. Kg1 Kb5 97. Kh1 Ka6 98. Kg1 Kb6 99. Kh1 Kc7 100. Kg1 Rd7 101. Kh1 Nd6 102. Kg1 Nb5 103. Kh1 Rd6 104. Kg1 Kb7 105. Kh1 Rc6 106. Kg1 Kc7 107. Kh1 Kb6 108. Kg1 Kb7 109. Kh1 Nd6 110. Kg1 Nc8 111. Kh1 Rcb6 112. Kg1 Na7 113. Kh1 Ra6 114. Kg1 Nb5 115. Kh1 Rd6 116. Kg1 Kc7 117. Kh1 Ra6 118. Kg1 Rc6 119. Kh1 Kd6 120. Kg1 Ra6 121. Kh1 Rb6 122. Kg1 Rb7 123. Kh1 Rc7 124. Kg1 Rc6 125. Kh1 Na7 126. Kg1 Nb5 127. Bd2 Na7 128. Bc1 Nb5 129. Kh1 Kc7 130. Kg1 Kd6 131. Kh1 Rc8 132. Kg1 e5 133. dxe5+ Ke6 134. Rd2 Rb8 135. Rd4 Nxd4 136. exd4 R8b5 137. Rh2 Ke7 138. Kh1 Rb6 139. Kg1 Kd8 140. Kh1 Ke7 141. Kg1 Ke8 142. Rc2 Ke7 143. Bd2 Kd8 144. Qa1 Ke7 145. Qc1 Ke6 146. Be1 Rb7 147. Kg2 R3b6 148. Kf3 Rb3 149. Bd2 Kd7 150. Kg2 R3b6 151. Kg1 Kc6 152. Qd1 Kd7 153. Bc1 Ke6 154. Rh2 Rb3 155. Kg2 Ra7 156. Kf3 Rbb7 157. Qh1 Rh7 158. Qd1 Rhf7 159. Kf2 Rf8 160. Rxh5 Rh7 161. Rxh7 Rb8 162. Rh6 Ke7 163. Qxa4 Kf7 164. Qa7+ Kg8 165. Qxb8+ Kg7 166. Qc7+ Kg8 167. Rxg6+ Kf8 168. Rf6+ Ke8 169. Qc6+ Ke7 170. Qxd5 Ke8 171. Qxc4 Ke7 172. Qd3 Kd7 173. Qxf5+ Kc7 174. Qe4 Kd7 175. Qe1 Kc7 176. g4 Kd7 177. Kf3 Kc7 178. Ke4 Kb7 179. f5 Kc7 180. d5 Kb7 181. c4 Kc7 182. b3 Kc8 183. b4 Kd7 184. c5 Kd8 185. b5 Kd7 186. a4 Kc7 187. a5 Kd7 188. Bd2 Kc8 189. Bf4 Kd7 190. Rh6 Kd8 191. Rh1 Kd7 192. Rf1 Kd8 193. Qa1 Ke7 194. Rb1 Ke8 195. g6 Kd7 196. f6 Kc7 197. e6+ Kb7 198. d6 Kc8 199. c6 Kb8 200. b6 Ka8 201. a6 Kb8 202. g5 Ka8 203. Kf3 Kb8 204. Be3 Ka8 205. Bd2 Kb8 206. Bc1 Kc8 207. Kg4 Kb8 208. Kh5 Ka8 209. Kh6 Kb8 210. Kh7 Kc8 211. Kg7 Kb8 212. Kf7 Ka8 213. Ke7 Kb8 214. g7 Ka8 215. f7 Kb8 216. f8=B Ka8 217. g8=B Kb8 218. Bf7 Ka8 219. g6 Kb8 220. g7 Ka8 221. g8=B Kb8 222. Kf6 Ka8 223. e7 Kb8 224. e8=B Ka8 225. d7 Kb8 226. Bfa3 Ka8 227. Bab2 Kb8 228. Ba2 Ka8 229. Bgb3 Kb8 230. Bc2 Ka8 231. Bd1 Kb8 232. Bef7 Ka8 233. Bfc4 Kb8 234. Bd3 Ka8 235. B3c2 Kb8 236. d8=B Ka8 237. Be7 Kb8 238. Bb4 Ka8 239. B4a3 Kb8 240. Bb4 Ka8 241. Bbd2 Kb8 242. Ke6 Kc8 243. Kd6 Kb8 244. Kd5 Kc8 245. Kc5 Kd8 246. Kb5 Kc8 247. a7 Kd8 248. Kc5 Ke7 249. b7 Ke8 250. Kb6 Kd8 251. c7+ Ke8 252. c8=B Ke7 253. b8=B Kd8 254. a8=B Ke7 255. Bh1 Ke8 256. Bh2 Kf8 257. Bg1 Ke8 258. Bh3 Ke7 259. Bf1 Ke8 260. Bab3 Ke7 261. Qa7+ Kd8 262. Bg5+ Ke8 263. Bg6+ Kf8 264. Ba3# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

Father · Post by **Father** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 12:11 am

Father wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:35 pm [pgn][/pgn]
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 9:37 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:16 am
Father wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:00 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:50 pm It seems that there is a bug in lichess that consider long games of 300 moves by both sides to be draws for no good reason.

I found that the following game is declared by lichess to be a draw for no reason because black promoted a biship at move 284 and it is certainly not a draw by repetition.

https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC#600

[pgn]
[Event "casual rapid game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/eXPOWUDC"]
[Date "2025.05.26"]
[White "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Black "chess_dffeer"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "eXPOWUDC"]
[UTCDate "2025.05.26"]
[UTCTime "08:40:11"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. f4 d6 2. h3 e5 3. fxe5 dxe5 4. g4 Bd6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Rh2 Nge7 7. b3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nd5 9. Ne4 Qe7 10. c4 Nf6 11. Nxd6+ cxd6 12. g5 Nd7 13. Rc1 O-O-O 14. Rh1 Kb8 15. Kd1 Rc8 16. Ba3 a5 17. Nf3 Nb4 18. Bb2 Rc7 19. d3 Rhc8 20. Rg1 d5 21. Nd2 dxc4 22. bxc4 b5 23. a3 bxc4 24. dxc4 Bxc4 25. axb4 axb4 26. Ke1 Ba2 27. Ra1 b3 28. Rg3 Rb7 29. Bg2 Rb6 30. Be4 g6 31. Kf1 Qb4 32. Rd1 Rc2 33. Bc1 Rxd2 34. Rxd2 Qxe4 35. Rc3 Rc6 36. Rxc6 Qxc6 37. Bb2 Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+ 39. Kf1 Qxh3+ 40. Kf2 Qh4+ 41. Kf1 Qf4+ 42. Ke1 Qxd2+ 43. Kxd2 Kc7 44. Ba3 Kc6 45. Kc3 Kd5 46. Be7 Ke4 47. Kb2 Ke3 48. Ka1 Kxe2 49. Bd6 Kf3 50. Bxe5 Nxe5 51. Kb2 Kf4 52. Ka1 Kxg5 53. Kb2 h6 54. Ka1 f6 55. Kb2 Kf5 56. Ka1 Ke6 57. Kb2 Ke7 58. Ka1 Kf7 59. Kb2 Kg7 60. Ka1 Kh7 61. Kb2 Kh8 62. Ka1 Kg8 63. Kb2 Kf8 64. Ka1 Ke8 65. Kb2 Kd8 66. Ka1 Kc8 67. Kb2 Kb8 68. Ka1 Ka8 69. Kb2 Ka7 70. Ka1 Ka6 71. Kb2 Ka5 72. Kc3 Kb5 73. Kb2 Kb6 74. Ka1 Kb7 75. Kb2 Kc7 76. Ka1 Kc6 77. Kb2 h5 78. Ka1 Kb6 79. Kb2 Ka6 80. Ka1 Ka7 81. Kb2 Ka8 82. Ka1 Kb8 83. Kb2 Kb7 84. Ka1 Kc7 85. Kb2 Kc8 86. Ka1 Kd8 87. Kb2 Kd7 88. Ka1 Ke7 89. Kb2 Ke8 90. Ka1 Kf8 91. Kb2 Kf7 92. Ka1 Kg7 93. Kb2 Kg8 94. Ka1 Kh8 95. Kb2 Kh7 96. Ka1 Kh6 97. Kb2 g5 98. Ka1 Kg6 99. Kb2 Kg7 100. Ka1 Kg8 101. Kb2 Kf7 102. Ka1 Kf8 103. Kb2 Ke7 104. Ka1 Ke8 105. Kb2 Kd7 106. Ka1 Kd8 107. Kb2 Kc7 108. Ka1 Kc8 109. Kb2 Kb7 110. Ka1 Kb8 111. Kb2 Ka7 112. Ka1 Ka8 113. Kb2 f5 114. Ka1 Kb8 115. Kb2 Kc8 116. Ka1 Kd8 117. Kb2 Ke8 118. Ka1 Kf8 119. Kb2 Kg8 120. Ka1 Kh8 121. Kb2 Kh7 122. Ka1 Kg7 123. Kb2 Kf7 124. Ka1 Ke7 125. Kb2 Kd7 126. Ka1 Kc7 127. Kb2 Kb7 128. Ka1 Ka7 129. Kb2 Ka6 130. Ka1 Ka5 131. Kb2 Kb5 132. Kc3 Kb6 133. Kb2 Kc6 134. Ka1 Kc5 135. Kb2 Kd5 136. Ka1 Kd6 137. Kb2 Ke6 138. Ka1 Kf6 139. Kb2 Kg6 140. Ka1 Kh6 141. Kb2 h4 142. Ka1 Kh7 143. Kb2 Kh8 144. Ka1 Kg8 145. Kb2 Kg7 146. Ka1 Kf7 147. Kb2 Kf8 148. Ka1 Ke8 149. Kb2 Ke7 150. Ka1 Kd7 151. Kb2 Kd8 152. Ka1 Kc8 153. Kb2 Kc7 154. Ka1 Kb7 155. Kb2 Kb8 156. Ka1 Ka8 157. Kb2 Ka7 158. Ka1 g4 159. Kb2 Ka8 160. Ka1 Kb8 161. Kb2 Kb7 162. Ka1 Kc7 163. Kb2 Kc8 164. Ka1 Kd8 165. Kb2 Kd7 166. Ka1 Ke7 167. Kb2 Ke8 168. Ka1 Kf8 169. Kb2 Kf7 170. Ka1 Kg7 171. Kb2 Kg8 172. Ka1 Kh8 173. Kb2 Kh7 174. Ka1 f4 175. Kb2 Kh6 176. Ka1 Kh7 177. Kb2 Kg7 178. Ka1 Kh8 179. Kb2 Kg8 180. Ka1 Kf7 181. Kb2 Kf8 182. Ka1 Ke8 183. Kb2 Kf8 184. Ka1 Ke7 185. Kb2 h3 186. Kc3 Kf6 187. Kb2 Kf5 188. Kc3 Ke6 189. Kb2 Kd5 190. Ka3 Kc6 191. Kb2 Kd7 192. Kc3 Kc8 193. Kb2 Kb7 194. Kc3 Ka8 195. Kb2 g3 196. Kc3 Kb7 197. Kd4 Kc8 198. Kxe5 f3 199. Kf4 f2 200. Ke5 Kb7 201. Kf4 Ka8 202. Ke5 Ka7 203. Kf4 Kb8 204. Ke5 Kc7 205. Kd4 Kd8 206. Ke5 Ke7 207. Kd4 Kf8 208. Ke5 Kg7 209. Kd4 Kh8 210. Ke5 Bb1 211. Kd4 g2 212. Kc5 Bc2 213. Kd6 Bd1 214. Kc5 Be2 215. Kd6 Bf1 216. Ke5 Bd3 217. Kd4 Bh7 218. Kc5 Bg8 219. Kd4 Bf7 220. Kc5 Be8 221. Kd4 Bd7 222. Kc5 Bc8 223. Kd4 Bb7 224. Kc5 Ba8 225. Kd4 h2 226. Kc5 Bb7 227. Kd6 Bf3 228. Kc5 Be2 229. Kd6 Bh5 230. Kc5 Bg6 231. Kd6 Bb1 232. Kc5 Ba2 233. Kd6 Kg7 234. Kc5 Kg8 235. Kd6 Kh7 236. Kc5 Kg6 237. Kd6 Kh5 238. Kc5 Kg5 239. Kd6 Kf6 240. Kc5 Kf5 241. Kd6 Kg4 242. Kc5 Kf3 243. Kd6 Kg3 244. Kc5 Kf4 245. Kd6 Ke3 246. Kc5 Kd2 247. Kd6 Kc3 248. Kc5 Kc2 249. Kd6 Kb1 250. Kc5 Kb2 251. Kd6 Ka3 252. Kc5 b2 253. Kd6 Kb3 254. Kc5 Ka4 255. Kd6 Ka5 256. Ke5 Ka6 257. Kd6 Ka7 258. Ke5 Ka8 259. Kd6 Kb8 260. Kc5 Kc8 261. Kd6 Kd8 262. Kc5 Ke8 263. Kb6 Kf8 264. Kc6 Kg8 265. Kd6 Kh8 266. Ke5 Kh7 267. Kd6 Kh6 268. Ke5 Kh5 269. Kd6 Kh4 270. Ke5 Kh3 271. Kd6 Kg3 272. Ke5 h1=R 273. Kd4 Kf3 274. Kc5 Kf4 275. Kc6 Kf5 276. Kc7 Ke4 277. Kc6 Ke3 278. Kc7 Kd2 279. Kc6 Kd3 280. Kc7 Kc3 281. Kd6 Kc2 282. Kc7 b1=Q 283. Kc8 f1=N 284. Kc7 g1=B 285. Kd6 Bb3 286. Kc7 Ba4 287. Kd8 Bb5 288. Kc8 Bc4 289. Kd8 Bd3 290. Ke7 Be2 291. Kf6 Bd1 292. Ke5 Rh2 293. Kf5 Rg2 294. Ke5 Rg3 295. Kf5 Rg8 296. Ke4 Ra8 297. Kf4 Ra7 298. Ke4 Rb7 299. Ke5 Rb8 300. Kf5 Rd8 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
From what I read on the internet it is not a bug but a policy decision at least seven years old by LiChess to declare all games drawn after 300 moves, although that is not a standard chess rule. I'll leave it for others to comment on why they did so or whether it is a good policy.
..in my humble opinion, unless a better concept is provided, as journalists would say, I want to express that the truly reasonable thing to do regarding the parameters of the battlefield in man-versus-machine combat is to leave the standard FIDE rules intact. For example, the value of a draw should not be varied, much less ignored; the number of moves in the game should not be arbitrarily restricted to a specific number of moves; humans have and should have every right to use the resources of their own human knowledge, their own imagination, and their own experience. The first thing I recommend is to restore the parameters for determining Elo to the canons and natural paths. All these modifications that have been made will, in the long run, go against the very interests they have sought to protect: "the machines and the Masters." All of this will have a "boomerang effect" against "both." With the greatest respect, I call on you to "erase from the classification and set to zero without points all the people in all the standings of the best hundred humans in each robot and start again on the right path; then apply the FIDE norms of evaluation to victory, draw and defeat; only in this way will it be possible to know who are the true human leaders in this peculiar battle of "man against machine." The rest will be "makeup and disguise the faces of the life of "man against machine," with masks.
Rating rules are different from play rules. Play is governed by FIDE rules except as modified for online play, such as automatic draw by repetition and 50 move rule rather than requiring claims, no touch-move rule, etc., and in the case of LiChess a 300 move draw rule that applies to all games, not specially to engine games. Rating rules vary, FIDE itself keeps changing their rules, which differ substantially from US chess (and other national) rating rules. Some people have advocated that even for human ratings, draws should not be rated, but I wouldn't favor that radical a policy. But some limitations on which draws should be rated are reasonable, whether based on number of moves, amount of remaining material, or the current rule that no more than six draws can be rated until you win a game. We want to encourage anyone playing for a spot on the Leaderboard to choose a time limit at which they can win at least one game out of five or so. This doesn't require a very high level of skill for queen odds in the Rapid range.
For rating rules fide keeps changing the rules but it is not something similiar to the rules in the Leela LeaderBoard.
Fide basically change K to decide about the speed the rating change but it is not based on results of the player.

You can have K=40 or K=20 or K=10 based on the age of the player or the rating of the player or experience of the player
or you can reduce K for people who play too many games in a month but you do not reduce K for draws or decide that K=0 for people who draw too many games.
[pgn] [Event "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Wh5lAdgV"]
[Date "2025.09.14"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "Wh5lAdgV"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.14"]
[UTCTime "14:23:21"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 g6 2. f4 b6 3. e3 e6 4. Nf3 Bb4+ 5. c3 Be7 6. Bd3 f5 7. Qe2 a6 8. O-O Nf6 9. g3 h5 10. Rf2 a5 11. h4 Kd8 12. Rg2 Bb7 13. Nbd2 a4 14. a3 Kc8 15. Nf1 Nc6 16. Bd2 Kb8 17. Be1 Re8 18. Rd1 Bf8 19. Ng5 Na5 20. Nh2 c5 21. Nhf3 c4 22. Bxc4 Nxc4 23. Qxc4 Rc8 24. Qe2 Ba6 25. Qc2 Bc4 26. Bd2 Bb3 27. Qb1 b5 28. Re1 Ra6 29. Ne5 d5 30. Nef3 Be7 31. Kh1 Ka7 32. Kg1 Ka8 33. Kh1 Ka7 34. Kg1 Rg8 35. Kh1 Bf8 36. Kg1 Be7 37. Kh1 Bf8 38. Kg1 Rb6 39. Kh1 Kb8 40. Kg1 Ka7 41. Kh1 Kb7 42. Kg1 Ka6 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Rg7 45. Kh1 Ra6 46. Kg1 Kb8 47. Kh1 Kc8 48. Kg1 Kb8 49. Kh1 Kc8 50. Kg1 Kc7 51. Kh1 Rb6 52. Kg1 Ra6 53. Kh1 Rb6 54. Kg1 Kd7 55. Kh1 Ra6 56. Kg1 Rg8 57. Kh1 Rg7 58. Kg1 Ne8 59. Kh1 Rd6 60. Kg1 Kc8 61. Kh1 Rb6 62. Kg1 Ra6 63. Kh1 Kd7 64. Kg1 Rb6 65. Kh1 Rg8 66. Kg1 Ra6 67. Kh1 Bh6 68. Kg1 Kc8 69. Kh1 Bxg5 70. hxg5 Nd6 71. Kg1 Rg7 72. Kh1 Ne4 73. Kg1 Kb7 74. Kh1 Ra8 75. Kg1 Ka6 76. Kh1 Rh8 77. Kg1 Kb6 78. Kh1 Ka6 79. Kg1 Ra8 80. Ree2 Ka7 81. Be1 Bc4 82. Ref2 Nd6 83. Kh1 Rb8 84. Nd2 Rc7 85. Nxc4 bxc4 86. Qa2 Rb3 87. Re2 Ne4 88. Kg1 Rc6 89. Kh1 Kb7 90. Kg1 Kb6 91. Kh1 Kb7 92. Kg1 Kb6 93. Kh1 Rd6 94. Kg1 Kb7 95. Kh1 Kc6 96. Kg1 Kb5 97. Kh1 Ka6 98. Kg1 Kb6 99. Kh1 Kc7 100. Kg1 Rd7 101. Kh1 Nd6 102. Kg1 Nb5 103. Kh1 Rd6 104. Kg1 Kb7 105. Kh1 Rc6 106. Kg1 Kc7 107. Kh1 Kb6 108. Kg1 Kb7 109. Kh1 Nd6 110. Kg1 Nc8 111. Kh1 Rcb6 112. Kg1 Na7 113. Kh1 Ra6 114. Kg1 Nb5 115. Kh1 Rd6 116. Kg1 Kc7 117. Kh1 Ra6 118. Kg1 Rc6 119. Kh1 Kd6 120. Kg1 Ra6 121. Kh1 Rb6 122. Kg1 Rb7 123. Kh1 Rc7 124. Kg1 Rc6 125. Kh1 Na7 126. Kg1 Nb5 127. Bd2 Na7 128. Bc1 Nb5 129. Kh1 Kc7 130. Kg1 Kd6 131. Kh1 Rc8 132. Kg1 e5 133. dxe5+ Ke6 134. Rd2 Rb8 135. Rd4 Nxd4 136. exd4 R8b5 137. Rh2 Ke7 138. Kh1 Rb6 139. Kg1 Kd8 140. Kh1 Ke7 141. Kg1 Ke8 142. Rc2 Ke7 143. Bd2 Kd8 144. Qa1 Ke7 145. Qc1 Ke6 146. Be1 Rb7 147. Kg2 R3b6 148. Kf3 Rb3 149. Bd2 Kd7 150. Kg2 R3b6 151. Kg1 Kc6 152. Qd1 Kd7 153. Bc1 Ke6 154. Rh2 Rb3 155. Kg2 Ra7 156. Kf3 Rbb7 157. Qh1 Rh7 158. Qd1 Rhf7 159. Kf2 Rf8 160. Rxh5 Rh7 161. Rxh7 Rb8 162. Rh6 Ke7 163. Qxa4 Kf7 164. Qa7+ Kg8 165. Qxb8+ Kg7 166. Qc7+ Kg8 167. Rxg6+ Kf8 168. Rf6+ Ke8 169. Qc6+ Ke7 170. Qxd5 Ke8 171. Qxc4 Ke7 172. Qd3 Kd7 173. Qxf5+ Kc7 174. Qe4 Kd7 175. Qe1 Kc7 176. g4 Kd7 177. Kf3 Kc7 178. Ke4 Kb7 179. f5 Kc7 180. d5 Kb7 181. c4 Kc7 182. b3 Kc8 183. b4 Kd7 184. c5 Kd8 185. b5 Kd7 186. a4 Kc7 187. a5 Kd7 188. Bd2 Kc8 189. Bf4 Kd7 190. Rh6 Kd8 191. Rh1 Kd7 192. Rf1 Kd8 193. Qa1 Ke7 194. Rb1 Ke8 195. g6 Kd7 196. f6 Kc7 197. e6+ Kb7 198. d6 Kc8 199. c6 Kb8 200. b6 Ka8 201. a6 Kb8 202. g5 Ka8 203. Kf3 Kb8 204. Be3 Ka8 205. Bd2 Kb8 206. Bc1 Kc8 207. Kg4 Kb8 208. Kh5 Ka8 209. Kh6 Kb8 210. Kh7 Kc8 211. Kg7 Kb8 212. Kf7 Ka8 213. Ke7 Kb8 214. g7 Ka8 215. f7 Kb8 216. f8=B Ka8 217. g8=B Kb8 218. Bf7 Ka8 219. g6 Kb8 220. g7 Ka8 221. g8=B Kb8 222. Kf6 Ka8 223. e7 Kb8 224. e8=B Ka8 225. d7 Kb8 226. Bfa3 Ka8 227. Bab2 Kb8 228. Ba2 Ka8 229. Bgb3 Kb8 230. Bc2 Ka8 231. Bd1 Kb8 232. Bef7 Ka8 233. Bfc4 Kb8 234. Bd3 Ka8 235. B3c2 Kb8 236. d8=B Ka8 237. Be7 Kb8 238. Bb4 Ka8 239. B4a3 Kb8 240. Bb4 Ka8 241. Bbd2 Kb8 242. Ke6 Kc8 243. Kd6 Kb8 244. Kd5 Kc8 245. Kc5 Kd8 246. Kb5 Kc8 247. a7 Kd8 248. Kc5 Ke7 249. b7 Ke8 250. Kb6 Kd8 251. c7+ Ke8 252. c8=B Ke7 253. b8=B Kd8 254. a8=B Ke7 255. Bh1 Ke8 256. Bh2 Kf8 257. Bg1 Ke8 258. Bh3 Ke7 259. Bf1 Ke8 260. Bab3 Ke7 261. Qa7+ Kd8 262. Bg5+ Ke8 263. Bg6+ Kf8 264. Ba3# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0[/pgn]

The day the machines went rogue... a victory of mine is snatched away...

Event

[pgn] "casual bullet game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/MJyNqEp4"]
[Date "2025.09.16"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenOdds"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "MJyNqEp4"]
[UTCDate "2025.09.16"]
[UTCTime "21:54:33"]
[WhiteElo "2022"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
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1. d4 b6 2. f4 Bb7 3. e3 h6 4. Nf3 e6 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. O-O f5 7. c3 Nf6 8. Qe2 Ne7 9. Ba6 Bxa6 10. Qxa6 g6 11. Qe2 Rg8 12. g3 g5 13. Rf2 g4 14. Nh4 Kf7 15. Rg2 a6 16. Bd2 b5 17. Be1 d5 18. a3 Rb8 19. b4 a5 20. Nd2 a4 21. Ra2 Nc8 22. Nf1 Nd6 23. Qd1 Nfe4 24. Qc1 Nf6 25. Kh1 Ke7 26. Kg1 Kd7 27. Kh1 Rb6 28. Kg1 h5 29. Kh1 Kc8 30. Kg1 Kb7 31. Kh1 Ka7 32. Kg1 Be7 33. Kh1 Rg7 34. Kg1 Rg8 35. Kh1 Rg7 36. Kg1 Ka8 37. Kh1 Rg8 38. Kg1 Kb8 39. Kh1 Ka7 40. Kg1 Rg7 41. Kh1 Kb7 42. Kg1 Ka7 43. Kh1 Kb7 44. Kg1 Ng8 45. Kh1 Bf6 46. Kg1 Ne7 47. Kh1 Rg8 48. Kg1 Ka7 49. Kh1 Rg7 50. Kg1 Kb7 51. Kh1 Kb8 52. Kg1 Ka8 53. Kh1 Kb7 54. Kg1 Ka7 55. Kh1 Ra6 56. Kg1 Ka8 57. Kh1 Rb6 58. Kg1 Rf7 59. Kh1 Kb8 60. Kg1 Ra6 61. Kh1 Ka8 62. Kg1 Kb7 63. Kh1 c6 64. Kg1 Rh7 65. Kh1 Ra8 66. Kg1 Bg7 67. Kh1 Rh6 68. Kg1 Ka6 69. Kh1 Rah8 70. Kg1 Bf8 71. Kh1 Nec8 72. Rgc2 R8h7 73. Kg1 Nb6 74. Kh1 Re7 75. Kg1 Bg7 76. Kh1 Ka7 77. Kg1 Kb7 78. Kh1 Ka6 79. Kg1 Rc7 80. Kh1 Re7 81. Kg1 Rb7 82. Kh1 Ka7 83. Kg1 Kb8 84. Kh1 Rd7 85. Kg1 Re7 86. Kh1 Rc7 87. Kg1 Ra7 88. Kh1 Rb7 89. Kg1 Nd7 90. Kh1 Nb6 91. Kg1 Ka7 92. Kh1 Nd7 93. Kg1 Ka6 94. Kh1 Kb6 95. Kg1 Ka7 96. Kh1 Kb8 97. Kg1 Kc8 98. Kh1 Kc7 99. Kg1 Nb6 100. Kh1 Nbc4 101. Kg1 Bf6 102. Kh1 Ne4 103. Kg1 Bg7 104. Kh1 Kb6 105. Kg1 Ned6 106. Kh1 Ka6 107. Kg1 Ne4 108. Kh1 Bf6 109. Kg1 Bg7 110. Kh1 Ncd6 111. Kg1 Rf7 112. Kh1 Bf6 113. Kg1 Bxh4 114. gxh4 Rg6 115. Bg3 Nc4 116. Qe1 Nb6 117. Kh1 Nd6 118. Kg1 Nbc8 119. Kh1 Re7 120. Kg1 Nb6 121. Kh1 Rf6 122. Kg1 Kb7 123. Kh1 Ka6 124. Kg1 Ka7 125. Kh1 Kb7 126. Kg1 Ka8 127. Kh1 Kb8 128. Kg1 Ka7 129. Kh1 Kb7 130. Kg1 Ref7 131. Kh1 Kc7 132. Kg1 Kb8 133. Kh1 Rb7 134. Kg1 Rff7 135. Kh1 Rfe7 136. Kg1 Rg7 137. Kh1 Rge7 138. Kg1 Rec7 139. Kh1 Ka7 140. Kg1 Na8 141. Qe2 Kb8 142. Be1 Re7 143. Bd2 Kc7 144. Kh1 Kb6 145. Kg1 Ka6 146. Kh1 Rec7 147. Kg1 Rf7 148. Kh1 Rfe7 149. Kg1 Nb6 150. Kh1 Rec7 151. Kg1 Nbc4 152. Be1 Rb6 153. Kh1 Re7 154. Kg1 Rh7 155. Kh1 Rd7 156. Kg1 Rb8 157. Kh1 Nc8 158. Kg1 Rf7 159. Kh1 Rfb7 160. Kg1 Ra8 161. Kh1 N4d6 162. Kg1 Ne4 163. Kh1 e5 164. dxe5 Nb6 165. Ng3 Nc4 166. Nxh5 Rh7 167. Nf6 Nxf6 168. exf6 Re8 169. Bf2 Re4 170. Qd3 Rh6 171. Re2 Rxf6 172. Ra1 Rfe6 173. Kg2 Rg6 174. Kg3 Kb7 175. Kg2 Nd6 176. Kg3 Kc7 177. Kg2 Rg7 178. Kg3 Kb7 179. Kg2 Kb6 180. Kg3 Ka6 181. Kg2 Kb6 182. Kg3 Kc7 183. Kg2 Kd7 184. Kg3 Ke6 185. Kg2 Kf6 186. Kg3 Rg6 187. Kg2 Ke6 188. Kg3 Kf7 189. Kg2 Kf6 190. Kg3 Rg7 191. Kg2 Ke7 192. Kg3 Kd7 193. Kg2 Kc8 194. Kg3 Kd8 195. Kg2 Ke8 196. Kg3 Rc4 197. Kg2 Kf7 198. Kh1 Re4 199. Kg1 Kf6 200. Kh1 Nc4 201. Kg1 Ke7 202. Kh1 Kd6 203. Kg1 Kd7 204. Kh1 Rf7 205. Kg1 Nd6 206. Kh1 Ke6 207. Kg1 Re7 208. Kh1 Nc4 209. Kg1 Kf6 210. Kh1 Rb7 211. Kg1 Rd7 212. Kh1 Ke7 213. Kg1 Kd6 214. Kh1 Rd8 215. Kg1 Ke7 216. Kh1 Rg8 217. Kg1 Rg6 218. Kh1 Kf6 219. Kg1 Rg7 220. Kh1 Ke7 221. Kg1 g3 222. Bxg3 Kd6 223. Kh1 Kc7 224. Qxc4 Rxc4 225. Rc1 c5 226. Rcc2 Kc6 227. Kg2 Rg8 228. Kf1 Rc8 229. Ke1 Kd6 230. Kd1 Re4 231. Bf2 Rg8 232. Bg3 Rc8 233. Bf2 Rg8 234. Bg3 Rge8 235. Bf2 Rc8 236. Bg3 Rc7 237. Bf2 Rc8 238. Bg3 Rc6 239. Bf2 Rc7 240. Bg3 Re6 241. Bf2 Re4 242. Bg3 Kc6 243. Bf2 Rg7 244. Bg3 Rb7 245. Bf2 Rg7 246. Bg3 Rb7 247. Bf2 Rb8 248. Bg3 Re6 249. Bf2 Re4 250. Bg3 Rbe8 251. Bf2 Rg8 252. Bg3 Rge8 253. Bf2 Rg8 254. Bg3 Rd8 255. Bf2 Rd7 256. Bg3 Rd8 257. Bf2 Rc8 258. Bg3 Rc7 259. Bf2 Rc8 260. Bg3 Rb8 261. Bf2 Rd8 262. Bg3 Rd7 263. Bf2 Rb7 264. Bg3 Rd7 265. Bf2 Rb7 266. Bg3 Ree7 267. Bf2 Rg7 268. Bg3 Rg8 269. Kc1 c4 270. Rcd2 Re7 271. Rd4 Rgg7 272. Kd2 Ref7 273. Rg2 Rf8 274. Ke2 Rfg8 275. Kf3 Rd7 276. Rgd2 Rb8 277. Rg2 Rg8 278. Be1 Rxg2 279. Kxg2 Rg7+ 280. Bg3 Rg8 281. Kf3 Ra8 282. Rd2 Re8 283. Rg2 Kd6 284. Bf2 d4 285. exd4 Kd5 286. Rg1 Re6 287. Re1 Rf6 288. Bg3 Kc6 289. Re5 Rf8 290. h5 Kb7 291. h6 Rf6 292. h7 Rh6 293. Rxf5 Rxh7 294. Rxb5+ Ka8 295. Re5 Rf7 296. Ke4 Rd7 297. f5 Re7 298. f6 Rh7 299. Re7 Rf7 300. Kf5 Rxf6+ { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

lkaufman · Post by **lkaufman** » Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:33 pm

Father wrote: ↑Wed Sep 17, 2025 12:11 am
The day the machines went rogue... a victory of mine is snatched away...

Don't blame the "machines"; it is a long-standing LiChess rule (for all games) that 300 moves results in a draw. If you play chess on LiChess against anyone, you should keep this rule in mind. It isn't a FIDE rule, but online play does have its own rules, which differ sometimes from FIDE rules, and even differ among servers (for example, if time runs out and you have for example N vs N only, I believe chess.com calls it a draw and LiChess calls it a loss).

Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.

Re: Mr. Larry Kaufman. Mr. Naphthalin. Attention. Mr. Uri Blass. Respected Sirs.