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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:35 am Now we have had a third player among the FIDE top-fifty list play a series of games with LeelaKnightOdds at 3'2" blitz. GM JordanVanForeest, Fide 2677, World number 48, who beat Stockfish in 2020 by 2 to 1 with two pawn odds in Rapid, played five 3'2" games with LeelaKnightOdds, getting just one draw, losing four. Together with the 4 draws out of ten by Awonder Liang (World number 42), and the 6 draws out of 23 against Anish Giri (World number 22), we have a total record of 27 wins and 11 draws with not a single loss in blitz against three different World top fifty players! Maybe time to see if Magnus, Hikaru, or Firouzja could be induced to play a match, perhaps at 5'3".
"Dutchboy" is almost surely Anish Giri, which scored +1 =0 -3, adding 4 more games to the total
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 am
Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
...Well, what else can be done? Surely the saying applies here: "many are called but few are chosen." Here we will surely remain firm, an important group. Personally, I prefer LeelaQueenOdds for bullet and blitz tests, it is more emblematic, playing against an opponent who gives us the queen before the match begins, it is a perfect algorithm. I consider that bullet 1-0 and with a 1 second increment is the perfect scenario to show what material one is built of and the top players could, in 1 minute plus 1 second, test the strength publicly, which makes it more exciting. Refuse to fight will never be a good option. I aspire and would like to have the pleasure of observing the bullet fights of the GMs again.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:14 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 am
Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
...Well, what else can be done? Surely the saying applies here: "many are called but few are chosen." Here we will surely remain firm, an important group. Personally, I prefer LeelaQueenOdds for bullet and blitz tests, it is more emblematic, playing against an opponent who gives us the queen before the match begins, it is a perfect algorithm. I consider that bullet 1-0 and with a 1 second increment is the perfect scenario to show what material one is built of and the top players could, in 1 minute plus 1 second, test the strength publicly, which makes it more exciting. Refuse to fight will never be a good option. I aspire and would like to have the pleasure of observing the bullet fights of the GMs again.
In addition to all the time controls that are allowed, LeelaQueeOdds could provide us with the scenario where the strongest teach us through their examples and games how to beat the computer.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:19 am
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:14 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 am
Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
...Well, what else can be done? Surely the saying applies here: "many are called but few are chosen." Here we will surely remain firm, an important group. Personally, I prefer LeelaQueenOdds for bullet and blitz tests, it is more emblematic, playing against an opponent who gives us the queen before the match begins, it is a perfect algorithm. I consider that bullet 1-0 and with a 1 second increment is the perfect scenario to show what material one is built of and the top players could, in 1 minute plus 1 second, test the strength publicly, which makes it more exciting. Refuse to fight will never be a good option. I aspire and would like to have the pleasure of observing the bullet fights of the GMs again.
In addition to all the time controls that are allowed, LeelaQueeOdds could provide us with the scenario where the strongest teach us through their examples and games how to beat the computer.


...I don't know who this warrior fighter of a thousand battles is, but what I do know is that whoever he is, be it a Federated player or a street fighter, he is a giant who makes chess, humans and bots great. Congratulations to "Brewmasterua from Uganda." "The Giant from Uganda."
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 pm
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:19 am
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:14 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 am
Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
...Well, what else can be done? Surely the saying applies here: "many are called but few are chosen." Here we will surely remain firm, an important group. Personally, I prefer LeelaQueenOdds for bullet and blitz tests, it is more emblematic, playing against an opponent who gives us the queen before the match begins, it is a perfect algorithm. I consider that bullet 1-0 and with a 1 second increment is the perfect scenario to show what material one is built of and the top players could, in 1 minute plus 1 second, test the strength publicly, which makes it more exciting. Refuse to fight will never be a good option. I aspire and would like to have the pleasure of observing the bullet fights of the GMs again.
In addition to all the time controls that are allowed, LeelaQueeOdds could provide us with the scenario where the strongest teach us through their examples and games how to beat the computer.


...I don't know who this warrior fighter of a thousand battles is, but what I do know is that whoever he is, be it a Federated player or a street fighter, he is a giant who makes chess, humans and bots great. Congratulations to "Brewmasterua from Uganda." "The Giant from Uganda."
I think "Uganda" is a joke or a smokescreen because the player has ratings typical of a top fifty GM whereas no one from Uganda has a FIDE rating higher than 2334. But anyway the results show that although no one seems able to compete with LeelaQueenOdds at 1'0", the top players can come out ahead at 1'1", but it probably takes at least a 2800 blitz or 3000 bullet rating to do so.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:36 pm
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 pm
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:19 am
Father wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:14 am
lkaufman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:00 am
Father wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Father wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:28 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:56 am I wondered if people could recently beat the knight odd bot in blitz and the result is that people could do it.

I found that gelyaromanova lost 216-1 with 4 draws against LeelaKnightOdds

lost 20-0 at 1+0
lost 29-0 at 2+0
and finally lost 167-1 with 4 draws at 3+2


Good morning Uri, I hope you are well and continue to be well.
Uri. LeelaKnightOdds is like a wild horse; You ride him and he throws you on the ground again and again, then you get to know him, you make the horse ride, trot and run, finally you tame him, and he eats from your hand.
... how strange ... I have seen that the number of matches of the best players against LeelaQueenOdds has decreased? Also in bullet controls there are fewer Masters... what reason could there be for the lack of enthusiasm? I also note that the Top 100 position table has not been updated... how sad all this is...
I think that some interested has shifted back from queen odds to knight odds and rook odds. My guess is that many 2800+ bullet players have given up; their goal was probably to make a plus score at 1'0" at queen odds, but no one can do it so far, maybe Magnus or Hikaru might have a chance, but as far as we know they haven't tried. But it remains a good way to practice/improve bullet skills, so I expect we'll still see a reasonable number of such players playing the bot from time to time.
...Well, what else can be done? Surely the saying applies here: "many are called but few are chosen." Here we will surely remain firm, an important group. Personally, I prefer LeelaQueenOdds for bullet and blitz tests, it is more emblematic, playing against an opponent who gives us the queen before the match begins, it is a perfect algorithm. I consider that bullet 1-0 and with a 1 second increment is the perfect scenario to show what material one is built of and the top players could, in 1 minute plus 1 second, test the strength publicly, which makes it more exciting. Refuse to fight will never be a good option. I aspire and would like to have the pleasure of observing the bullet fights of the GMs again.
In addition to all the time controls that are allowed, LeelaQueeOdds could provide us with the scenario where the strongest teach us through their examples and games how to beat the computer.


...I don't know who this warrior fighter of a thousand battles is, but what I do know is that whoever he is, be it a Federated player or a street fighter, he is a giant who makes chess, humans and bots great. Congratulations to "Brewmasterua from Uganda." "The Giant from Uganda."
I think "Uganda" is a joke or a smokescreen because the player has ratings typical of a top fifty GM whereas no one from Uganda has a FIDE rating higher than 2334. But anyway the results show that although no one seems able to compete with LeelaQueenOdds at 1'0", the top players can come out ahead at 1'1", but it probably takes at least a 2800 blitz or 3000 bullet rating to do so.
... A few weeks ago, I wrote that I like one-minute games against computers, because on the part of the computer, we are assured that the level of play of the machine will be superior to that of the human world champion facing us in a classic level of time control competition. Therefore, every one-minute game shows a super-level cybernetic rival. Now, when this super-cybernetic rival faces a strong one-minute human player, the human deploys all his chess knowledge, and therefore the game reveals great depth. When I watch LeelaQueenOdds start the game with her queen down, and also the machine playing a gambit sacrificing pawns, I see a super level of the machine, superior to my wildest manifestation of imagination. A single victory by the one-minute human is more than worth 99 previous defeats, it is of great value. I invite all players who like to play minute by minute, to give us the pleasure of watching them fight like fierce tigers, even if they lose. But also the invitation to face LeelaQueenOddos is epic in 1 minute levels with increment, 3-0 or with increment, and even in longer levels, since, in each time control the science will be the same, only the procedure and terms of application vary. This game that I put in the post, simply for me is epic.

I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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