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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:48 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:02 pm My result against the queen odds version at 10+5 with white today was 24-10 and 4 draws(total rasult of 26-12 that is near 68.4% that is near 137 elo advantage or performance of 2120+137=2257

Note that I did not try to repeat wins with white and played different openings.

I stopped playing 15+10 with white after achieving 10 wins in a row at that level.
My total result against ir was 38-7 and 4 draws that is 40-9(near 81.6% that is near 257 elo advantage that is performance of 2027+257=2284)

Note that one of the losses on time was because of connection failure of the internet in time trouble in a winning position but I was still not sure about the result in that time.

In one of the draw Leela missed a win in KNN vs KP.

Here is the game
https://lichess.org/jXIbH72DCeAG




...an anonymous gladiator entered the center of the arena, the ring, the human with a fearless attitude facing the beast, cornering it, leading it to collapse, to checkmate, and this, in a time of game control of a minute without increment. A real "cockfight", one of them electronic, the other, a human without signs of fear. The "cry" of the spectators could be heard in unison... "Cramor!! Cramor!! Cramor!!." Who is Cramor? could be heard clearly out loud



..LeelaQueenOdds is mutating, AI put some neural components in her brain that are making her more and more dangerous... yet... Father is also adapting...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:15 am
Father wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:48 pm
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:02 pm My result against the queen odds version at 10+5 with white today was 24-10 and 4 draws(total rasult of 26-12 that is near 68.4% that is near 137 elo advantage or performance of 2120+137=2257

Note that I did not try to repeat wins with white and played different openings.

I stopped playing 15+10 with white after achieving 10 wins in a row at that level.
My total result against ir was 38-7 and 4 draws that is 40-9(near 81.6% that is near 257 elo advantage that is performance of 2027+257=2284)

Note that one of the losses on time was because of connection failure of the internet in time trouble in a winning position but I was still not sure about the result in that time.

In one of the draw Leela missed a win in KNN vs KP.

Here is the game
https://lichess.org/jXIbH72DCeAG




...an anonymous gladiator entered the center of the arena, the ring, the human with a fearless attitude facing the beast, cornering it, leading it to collapse, to checkmate, and this, in a time of game control of a minute without increment. A real "cockfight", one of them electronic, the other, a human without signs of fear. The "cry" of the spectators could be heard in unison... "Cramor!! Cramor!! Cramor!!." Who is Cramor? could be heard clearly out loud



..LeelaQueenOdds is mutating, AI put some neural components in her brain that are making her more and more dangerous... yet... Father is also adapting...
Mr. Larry Kaufman, Mr. Uri Blass, good evening. Obviously you already know, I tell you that LeelaQueenOdds is getting stronger and stronger. I would like to ask you, if you consider it, to promote or invite people to play with the white chips against LeelaQueenOdds. Now I would really like to observe the game of humans facing the computer. I consider the theoretical-practical prophylaxis useful and illustrative, and so we can all make comparisons between the computer, the human, and humans with each other with each color and time level. In advance, I thank you very much for allowing me to participate in this continuous duel of human being against computer. Happy night and day I wish you and the entire Leela team and forum participants. Note. If any chess master reads me, I invite him to come to the ring to fight the cybernetic monster.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:45 am
Mr. Larry Kaufman, Mr. Uri Blass, good evening. Obviously you already know, I tell you that LeelaQueenOdds is getting stronger and stronger. I would like to ask you, if you consider it, to promote or invite people to play with the white chips against LeelaQueenOdds. Now I would really like to observe the game of humans facing the computer. I consider the theoretical-practical prophylaxis useful and illustrative, and so we can all make comparisons between the computer, the human, and humans with each other with each color and time level. In advance, I thank you very much for allowing me to participate in this continuous duel of human being against computer. Happy night and day I wish you and the entire Leela team and forum participants. Note. If any chess master reads me, I invite him to come to the ring to fight the cybernetic monster.
The Leela Odds bots do get upgraded frequently, either a new net, new settings, or new opening book. The net was upgraded nov 12, the settings shortly after that, and the last book update was about a week ago. But it isn't really improving on its own. Although it is standard for the odds-giver to get the White pieces, partly because the "capture" (removal) of the odds is considered to be the last move, we allow both options, even for the leaderboard, just with 100 elo subtracted from the bot rating if you choose to play White. My opinion is that if you are playing to win, color isn't such a big deal in a high handicap game, it's easy enough to win with Black if you are careful and have enough time. But it is a lot easier to draw when you have White, just as it is in standard chess. White can generally "kill" the game (make it drawish) much more easily than Black. I almost always play Black at piece odds, especially for the Leaderboard, because I am playing to win. As far as I know, you are the only strong player who plays queen odds aiming to draw. so perhaps you are the only one who does better on the Leaderboard by choosing to play White, though it's probably a tossup decision for most people due to the 100 point offset. As for the 1'0" games, I believe someone is offering some prize for the best result (or maybe for a positive result), and probably requires that the bot gets White for the games to count for that particular prize; I don't know the details.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:24 am
Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:45 am
Mr. Larry Kaufman, Mr. Uri Blass, good evening. Obviously you already know, I tell you that LeelaQueenOdds is getting stronger and stronger. I would like to ask you, if you consider it, to promote or invite people to play with the white chips against LeelaQueenOdds. Now I would really like to observe the game of humans facing the computer. I consider the theoretical-practical prophylaxis useful and illustrative, and so we can all make comparisons between the computer, the human, and humans with each other with each color and time level. In advance, I thank you very much for allowing me to participate in this continuous duel of human being against computer. Happy night and day I wish you and the entire Leela team and forum participants. Note. If any chess master reads me, I invite him to come to the ring to fight the cybernetic monster.
The Leela Odds bots do get upgraded frequently, either a new net, new settings, or new opening book. The net was upgraded nov 12, the settings shortly after that, and the last book update was about a week ago. But it isn't really improving on its own. Although it is standard for the odds-giver to get the White pieces, partly because the "capture" (removal) of the odds is considered to be the last move, we allow both options, even for the leaderboard, just with 100 elo subtracted from the bot rating if you choose to play White. My opinion is that if you are playing to win, color isn't such a big deal in a high handicap game, it's easy enough to win with Black if you are careful and have enough time. But it is a lot easier to draw when you have White, just as it is in standard chess. White can generally "kill" the game (make it drawish) much more easily than Black. I almost always play Black at piece odds, especially for the Leaderboard, because I am playing to win. As far as I know, you are the only strong player who plays queen odds aiming to draw. so perhaps you are the only one who does better on the Leaderboard by choosing to play White, though it's probably a tossup decision for most people due to the 100 point offset. As for the 1'0" games, I believe someone is offering some prize for the best result (or maybe for a positive result), and probably requires that the bot gets White for the games to count for that particular prize; I don't know the details.
Leela can be improved by many ways part of them are not related to a new net:

1)I think a significant improvement can be done by considering the fact that there are different humans and Leela should play against the specific opponent.
For example there is a question if to win material by trading to some losing endgame or not and decision should be dependent on the opponent.

for 2 opponent with the same strength it is possible that the right decision is different.
If experience against the specific opponent show that the opponent is relatively better than other humans in the endgame then it may be better not to trade and if the opponent is relatively weaker in the endgame then it may be better to trade.

2)Leela does not use the opponent time and I think that it may be better to try to play different if the opponent is in time trouble espacielly with no increment.
3)Leela does not use the opponent moves and the time the opponent use to play moves that is different than the time the opponent has in the clock to make decisions(for example if the opponent is playing very fast moves like
Ng1-e2-g1-e2 than Leela should make a capture in order to make this move bad and play something like 86...Nxb2 when the opponet is expected to blunder by the premove Ne2-g1).

86...Nxb2 could be good even with increment if you see that the opponent make a lot of premoves.

https://lichess.org/LlfjBWoe/black

4)The problem of short draws against Catecan is also something that can easily be detected by the opponent moves and in the next link it can be easier to make the game longer with no risk of losing because I see no easy plan for black to win the game and I doubt if I can win with white against Leela in the position after a move like 35...Rhd8 that does not allow repetition.(I guess that white may win by some sacrifice of Nxb3 but even then I do not see an easy win for white and after trading knights by black with Ne4+ there is even not Nxb3 and white may need to find other ways to win.

https://lichess.org/83J9Y7a9

5)Leela does not try to make the draw as long as possible in order to win on time in a drawn tablebase position.

If the position is better it will try to make the game as long as possible but if the position is worse it may trade to a forced draw.
See for example this game when Leela traded rooks for no reason instead of trying to keep tablebase draw without trading rooks in KR vs KRN and win on time.

https://lichess.org/3IOsBUUI
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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larry kaufman is now first place.

Not sure if the results are correct(search suggest Orichess88 has 65 games but I see in the list 73 games).


LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
1 Hissha 2516.5 131
2 Orichess88 2514.5 73
3 Master_Unknown 2504.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
4 Bonitta 2405.7 65
5 Ushkothebear 2388.6 319
6 Omnivor 2386.8 30
7 Catecan 2362.5 1818
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
8 Respectful_Dave 2307.0 75
9 Feofanov_Vladimir 2293.8 98
10 itore 2287.1 43
11 Sakali 2283.7 183
12 AxelBoldt 2276.5 392
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
13 uriblass 2240.5 223
14 Ajktulm 2236.4 302
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
15 Spreek 2219.8 45
16 sfy2011 2213.6 25
17 SilverMitt 2213.1 26
18 nn1133 2195.6 6346
19 iWannaSeeYouSmile 2189.8 73
20 elputoano 2174.0 233
21 wael96 2151.0 53
22 edgebottle 2147.6 389
23 xHadyx 2139.7 181
24 Forgive1219 2134.7 189
25 TheLlamaLord 2133.7 22
26 WhiteRabbit00735 2132.7 172
27 lyxsgdzt 2130.1 66
LeelaQueenOdds as white 15+10 (Reference) 2127.3
28 mapascual 2120.3 42
LeelaQueenOdds as black 10+5 (Reference) 2120.3
29 RhinoTank 2119.7 57
30 Chrisinc 2117.0 31
31 Jagen 2114.5 56
32 MathTennisCoding 2099.1 56
33 chess66666 2095.0 212
34 A-Liang 2084.4 37
35 cramor 2067.8 42
36 ricky8632200 2066.4 83
37 Punypawn315 2044.9 19
38 wireless78 2044.4 21
39 ycw77092 2042.4 16
LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference) 2027.3
40 Give_You_Up 2027.2 37
41 SerbianPigeon 2026.6 23
42 Ready2live 2025.1 77
43 vital303 2021.5 362
44 Shakkileijona 2019.8 119
45 Superhond 2012.4 30
46 egor42 2012.0 12
47 Liouville1 2010.6 39
48 GambitSlonia2 2010.3 41
49 coachpotato11 2008.3 16
50 jzm 2006.3 15
51 RockyHolyfield 2004.7 20
52 QuCaNi 1993.0 21
53 maciej_rurami 1990.0 22
54 ChaseTheMace 1989.1 59
55 MGod123 1984.7 71
56 Pereval 1975.4 64
57 KentGoulding 1973.1 307
58 weirdexperiment 1972.4 53
59 Kacparov 1970.7 41
60 The_Pizza_Pazer 1968.5 13
61 raftsiam 1968.0 41
62 Brunetticus 1966.0 434
63 MrGaye 1963.0 11
64 ericfromlux 1962.6 241
65 Ilin_IgorK 1959.6 16
66 box_boxed 1958.5 50
67 Monchi 1956.7 14
68 OjaiJoao 1955.7 5
69 megaserg86 1953.0 272
70 susiedent 1951.6 14
71 Gryphos1 1949.8 99
72 XulIyU 1948.2 36
73 XuYL_1a 1947.5 24
74 Nechto37 1943.4 113
75 CommonElk 1940.8 36
76 darkhorse_98 1940.6 19
77 Nudibranchs 1934.6 11
78 SuperEasy 1933.4 11
79 Morozov_Artem_13 1930.9 17
80 MagicArcher642 1928.0 21
81 ActorXu 1925.2 65
82 desperado64 1920.0 41
83 ranibow_ghost 1918.7 16
84 junglegame 1916.3 11
85 fuyukara 1914.0 30
86 Andrey_Kirillov 1912.4 4
87 wencun 1910.6 50
88 PedalExtremities 1909.9 125
89 TrainingAccount04 1906.8 8
90 j_h_n 1906.6 94
91 veni_vidi_vici2007 1905.1 39
92 Gvierous-Lady 1899.6 95
93 LoveVae1999 1899.1 10
94 qasdfgi 1898.3 18
95 WW-1219 1897.9 27
96 Ehudgol 1892.1 27
97 JConcorde 1890.5 41
98 Rawnsdale 1888.4 28
99 Fearsamuel 1885.9 7
100 legionofboom 1885.1 22
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:04 pm larry kaufman is now first place.

Not sure if the results are correct(search suggest Orichess88 has 65 games but I see in the list 73 games).


LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+0 (Reference) 2895.2
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+0 (Reference) 2795.2
LeelaQueenOdds as white 1+1 (Reference) 2634.5
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+0 (Reference) 2619.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 1+1 (Reference) 2534.5
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+0 (Reference) 2519.5
1 Hissha 2516.5 131
2 Orichess88 2514.5 73
3 Master_Unknown 2504.6 92
LeelaQueenOdds as white 3+2 (Reference) 2450.0
4 Bonitta 2405.7 65
5 Ushkothebear 2388.6 319
6 Omnivor 2386.8 30
7 Catecan 2362.5 1818
LeelaQueenOdds as white 5+3 (Reference) 2353.7
LeelaQueenOdds as black 3+2 (Reference) 2350.0
8 Respectful_Dave 2307.0 75
9 Feofanov_Vladimir 2293.8 98
10 itore 2287.1 43
11 Sakali 2283.7 183
12 AxelBoldt 2276.5 392
LeelaQueenOdds as black 5+3 (Reference) 2253.7
13 uriblass 2240.5 223
14 Ajktulm 2236.4 302
LeelaQueenOdds as white 10+5 (Reference) 2220.3
15 Spreek 2219.8 45
16 sfy2011 2213.6 25
17 SilverMitt 2213.1 26
18 nn1133 2195.6 6346
19 iWannaSeeYouSmile 2189.8 73
20 elputoano 2174.0 233
21 wael96 2151.0 53
22 edgebottle 2147.6 389
23 xHadyx 2139.7 181
24 Forgive1219 2134.7 189
25 TheLlamaLord 2133.7 22
26 WhiteRabbit00735 2132.7 172
27 lyxsgdzt 2130.1 66
LeelaQueenOdds as white 15+10 (Reference) 2127.3
28 mapascual 2120.3 42
LeelaQueenOdds as black 10+5 (Reference) 2120.3
29 RhinoTank 2119.7 57
30 Chrisinc 2117.0 31
31 Jagen 2114.5 56
32 MathTennisCoding 2099.1 56
33 chess66666 2095.0 212
34 A-Liang 2084.4 37
35 cramor 2067.8 42
36 ricky8632200 2066.4 83
37 Punypawn315 2044.9 19
38 wireless78 2044.4 21
39 ycw77092 2042.4 16
LeelaQueenOdds as black 15+10 (Reference) 2027.3
40 Give_You_Up 2027.2 37
41 SerbianPigeon 2026.6 23
42 Ready2live 2025.1 77
43 vital303 2021.5 362
44 Shakkileijona 2019.8 119
45 Superhond 2012.4 30
46 egor42 2012.0 12
47 Liouville1 2010.6 39
48 GambitSlonia2 2010.3 41
49 coachpotato11 2008.3 16
50 jzm 2006.3 15
51 RockyHolyfield 2004.7 20
52 QuCaNi 1993.0 21
53 maciej_rurami 1990.0 22
54 ChaseTheMace 1989.1 59
55 MGod123 1984.7 71
56 Pereval 1975.4 64
57 KentGoulding 1973.1 307
58 weirdexperiment 1972.4 53
59 Kacparov 1970.7 41
60 The_Pizza_Pazer 1968.5 13
61 raftsiam 1968.0 41
62 Brunetticus 1966.0 434
63 MrGaye 1963.0 11
64 ericfromlux 1962.6 241
65 Ilin_IgorK 1959.6 16
66 box_boxed 1958.5 50
67 Monchi 1956.7 14
68 OjaiJoao 1955.7 5
69 megaserg86 1953.0 272
70 susiedent 1951.6 14
71 Gryphos1 1949.8 99
72 XulIyU 1948.2 36
73 XuYL_1a 1947.5 24
74 Nechto37 1943.4 113
75 CommonElk 1940.8 36
76 darkhorse_98 1940.6 19
77 Nudibranchs 1934.6 11
78 SuperEasy 1933.4 11
79 Morozov_Artem_13 1930.9 17
80 MagicArcher642 1928.0 21
81 ActorXu 1925.2 65
82 desperado64 1920.0 41
83 ranibow_ghost 1918.7 16
84 junglegame 1916.3 11
85 fuyukara 1914.0 30
86 Andrey_Kirillov 1912.4 4
87 wencun 1910.6 50
88 PedalExtremities 1909.9 125
89 TrainingAccount04 1906.8 8
90 j_h_n 1906.6 94
91 veni_vidi_vici2007 1905.1 39
92 Gvierous-Lady 1899.6 95
93 LoveVae1999 1899.1 10
94 qasdfgi 1898.3 18
95 WW-1219 1897.9 27
96 Ehudgol 1892.1 27
97 JConcorde 1890.5 41
98 Rawnsdale 1888.4 28
99 Fearsamuel 1885.9 7
100 legionofboom 1885.1 22
...Good morning everyone. A new day begins in my country and right in front of me, between the blinds of my bedroom window, in front of me, from the east and just above the top of the mountain, the star only appears and illuminates the firmament; Its warm rays feed my existence with the energy of life. I am accompanied by different sounds and songs of birds that celebrate in thanksgiving to the Programmer of Heaven and Earth. I thank my Programmer for waking up once again. I love life and the almost infinite algorithms that accompany us. Algorithms of the wind, algorithms of rain, algorithms of animals, algorithms of stones, algorithms of human beings. I turned on my computer, just after having watched from my cell phone the leaderboard of the top 100 humans who face LeelaQueenOdds. Then another reason makes me happy: I see "Hissha" as the leader in first place on the table, and "Uri" also close to me. I also notice that I have lost some elo points, but that does not make me sad. I am aware of the hardness of my battle yesterday, and of the many wounds I suffered in combat, and I know that this makes me better and stronger. Yes, I would like to consult something of a mathematical nature... How many games should I play each day, is it indifferent, or does it represent some change in my performance? ...well, before I was criticized less for tying, it was said that my games had no value, that mine is not chess, that it was just bugs, and things like that... but these adversities are so insignificant, compared to The love I have for my Programmer does not lead me to faint, on the contrary, to be grateful.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:20 pm
...Good morning everyone. A new day begins in my country and right in front of me, between the blinds of my bedroom window, in front of me, from the east and just above the top of the mountain, the star only appears and illuminates the firmament; Its warm rays feed my existence with the energy of life. I am accompanied by different sounds and songs of birds that celebrate in thanksgiving to the Programmer of Heaven and Earth. I thank my Programmer for waking up once again. I love life and the almost infinite algorithms that accompany us. Algorithms of the wind, algorithms of rain, algorithms of animals, algorithms of stones, algorithms of human beings. I turned on my computer, just after having watched from my cell phone the leaderboard of the top 100 humans who face LeelaQueenOdds. Then another reason makes me happy: I see "Hissha" as the leader in first place on the table, and "Uri" also close to me. I also notice that I have lost some elo points, but that does not make me sad. I am aware of the hardness of my battle yesterday, and of the many wounds I suffered in combat, and I know that this makes me better and stronger. Yes, I would like to consult something of a mathematical nature... How many games should I play each day, is it indifferent, or does it represent some change in my performance? ...well, before I was criticized less for tying, it was said that my games had no value, that mine is not chess, that it was just bugs, and things like that... but these adversities are so insignificant, compared to The love I have for my Programmer does not lead me to faint, on the contrary, to be grateful.
The only ways to raise your rating on the leaderboard are to improve your percentage score or to switch colors. If you play 50 games in a day and score 15% or you play 500 games and score 15%, your rating will end up about the same. In my case, my percentage goes up with more games in a day as I get adjusted to the circumstances. Of course if I played too many fatigue would set in and results would decline. Maybe 2 to 3 hours of play is optimum, I'm sure it varies for different people. I didn't expect to reach the top of the list at age 77, but I recognize that it is partly due to other leading players not having played enough games, and partly due to the fact that strong players mostly play one minute zero second increment games, where it is extremely difficult to win. I am sure that many strong players would pass me if they played enough games at a time limit where they could usually win, as I do. The best players can come out ahead (playing Black) at 3 minute zero seconds, which would give them a very high rating if they played enough games.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:18 pm
Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:20 pm
...Good morning everyone. A new day begins in my country and right in front of me, between the blinds of my bedroom window, in front of me, from the east and just above the top of the mountain, the star only appears and illuminates the firmament; Its warm rays feed my existence with the energy of life. I am accompanied by different sounds and songs of birds that celebrate in thanksgiving to the Programmer of Heaven and Earth. I thank my Programmer for waking up once again. I love life and the almost infinite algorithms that accompany us. Algorithms of the wind, algorithms of rain, algorithms of animals, algorithms of stones, algorithms of human beings. I turned on my computer, just after having watched from my cell phone the leaderboard of the top 100 humans who face LeelaQueenOdds. Then another reason makes me happy: I see "Hissha" as the leader in first place on the table, and "Uri" also close to me. I also notice that I have lost some elo points, but that does not make me sad. I am aware of the hardness of my battle yesterday, and of the many wounds I suffered in combat, and I know that this makes me better and stronger. Yes, I would like to consult something of a mathematical nature... How many games should I play each day, is it indifferent, or does it represent some change in my performance? ...well, before I was criticized less for tying, it was said that my games had no value, that mine is not chess, that it was just bugs, and things like that... but these adversities are so insignificant, compared to The love I have for my Programmer does not lead me to faint, on the contrary, to be grateful.
The only ways to raise your rating on the leaderboard are to improve your percentage score or to switch colors. If you play 50 games in a day and score 15% or you play 500 games and score 15%, your rating will end up about the same. In my case, my percentage goes up with more games in a day as I get adjusted to the circumstances. Of course if I played too many fatigue would set in and results would decline. Maybe 2 to 3 hours of play is optimum, I'm sure it varies for different people. I didn't expect to reach the top of the list at age 77, but I recognize that it is partly due to other leading players not having played enough games, and partly due to the fact that strong players mostly play one minute zero second increment games, where it is extremely difficult to win. I am sure that many strong players would pass me if they played enough games at a time limit where they could usually win, as I do. The best players can come out ahead (playing Black) at 3 minute zero seconds, which would give them a very high rating if they played enough games.
Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information. Today I played nine games, I got four draws and five losses. My percentage index is much higher than what I obtained yesterday and the day before, it was 44.44% until today, the highest since I faced LeelaQueenOdds. How long should I wait for tomorrow in my elo? As for age, the qualitative achievement is much greater if you are older... furthermore, let us not forget that world and community leaders have a historical tradition that is deposited in older and more experienced people... in addition, the human algorithm It never gets old, the communication channels can simply come into conflict... anecdotally, a good friend of mine a couple of months ago, met a motorcyclist in Argentina who was returning alone from Ushuaia, the southern tip of Patagonia Argentina, "The End of the World" and on the motorcycle the lone warrior had a ribbon written that said: "Life begins at seventy years of age." So, what is written is written!! You are now the sole leader, it is up to others to assume your leadership, or observe it from afar, there are no options.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:06 pm
lkaufman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 5:18 pm
Father wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:20 pm
...Good morning everyone. A new day begins in my country and right in front of me, between the blinds of my bedroom window, in front of me, from the east and just above the top of the mountain, the star only appears and illuminates the firmament; Its warm rays feed my existence with the energy of life. I am accompanied by different sounds and songs of birds that celebrate in thanksgiving to the Programmer of Heaven and Earth. I thank my Programmer for waking up once again. I love life and the almost infinite algorithms that accompany us. Algorithms of the wind, algorithms of rain, algorithms of animals, algorithms of stones, algorithms of human beings. I turned on my computer, just after having watched from my cell phone the leaderboard of the top 100 humans who face LeelaQueenOdds. Then another reason makes me happy: I see "Hissha" as the leader in first place on the table, and "Uri" also close to me. I also notice that I have lost some elo points, but that does not make me sad. I am aware of the hardness of my battle yesterday, and of the many wounds I suffered in combat, and I know that this makes me better and stronger. Yes, I would like to consult something of a mathematical nature... How many games should I play each day, is it indifferent, or does it represent some change in my performance? ...well, before I was criticized less for tying, it was said that my games had no value, that mine is not chess, that it was just bugs, and things like that... but these adversities are so insignificant, compared to The love I have for my Programmer does not lead me to faint, on the contrary, to be grateful.
The only ways to raise your rating on the leaderboard are to improve your percentage score or to switch colors. If you play 50 games in a day and score 15% or you play 500 games and score 15%, your rating will end up about the same. In my case, my percentage goes up with more games in a day as I get adjusted to the circumstances. Of course if I played too many fatigue would set in and results would decline. Maybe 2 to 3 hours of play is optimum, I'm sure it varies for different people. I didn't expect to reach the top of the list at age 77, but I recognize that it is partly due to other leading players not having played enough games, and partly due to the fact that strong players mostly play one minute zero second increment games, where it is extremely difficult to win. I am sure that many strong players would pass me if they played enough games at a time limit where they could usually win, as I do. The best players can come out ahead (playing Black) at 3 minute zero seconds, which would give them a very high rating if they played enough games.
Thank you very much Mr. Larry Kaufman for your information. Today I played nine games, I got four draws and five losses. My percentage index is much higher than what I obtained yesterday and the day before, it was 44.44% until today, the highest since I faced LeelaQueenOdds. How long should I wait for tomorrow in my elo? As for age, the qualitative achievement is much greater if you are older... furthermore, let us not forget that world and community leaders have a historical tradition that is deposited in older and more experienced people... in addition, the human algorithm It never gets old, the communication channels can simply come into conflict... anecdotally, a good friend of mine a couple of months ago, met a motorcyclist in Argentina who was returning alone from Ushuaia, the southern tip of Patagonia Argentina, "The End of the World" and on the motorcycle the lone warrior had a ribbon written that said: "Life begins at seventy years of age." So, what is written is written!! You are now the sole leader, it is up to others to assume your leadership, or observe it from afar, there are no options.
...I forgot the most important part of the anecdote: The age of the solitary motorcyclist repeating back and forth throughout South America: "75 years old." An example to follow...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Interesting to compare lichess blitz rating and leela rating to see the higher for players who played more than 100 games.

1)Hissha 131 2516.5 131(2374?)
2)Ushkothebear 2388.6 319(2530)
3)Catecan 2362.5 1818 (2082?)
4)Sakali 2283.7 183(2728)
5)AxelBoldt 2276.5 392(2025?)
6) uriblass 2240.5 223(2132)
7)Ajktulm 2236.4 302(2015)
8) nn1133 2195.6 6346(1860? 6 games)
9)elputoano 2174.0 233(2060)
10)edgebottle 2147.6 389(no rating)
11)xHadyx 2139.7 181(2274? 964 games)
12)Forgive1219 2134.7 189(2315)
13)IM WhiteRabbit00735 2132.7 172(2804)
14)chess66666 2095.0 212(2433)
15)vital303 2021.5 362(2084? 587 games)
16)Shakkileijona 2019.8 119(2085? 493 games)
17)KentGoulding 1973.1 307(no rating)
18)Brunetticus 1966.0 434(2128? 127 games)
19)ericfromlux 1962.6 241(1867)
20)megaserg86 1953.0 272(2381)
21)Nechto37 1943.4 113(2507)
22)PedalExtremities 1909.9 125(2318)
If I look only at players with no ? in their rating I get the following(added comments for part of them):
1)Ushkothebear 2388.6 319(2530) lost most games but played a lot of bullet 1+0 games
2)Sakali 2283.7 183(2728) lost most games but played a lot of bullet 1+0 games
3)uriblass 2240.5 223(2132)
4)Ajktulm 2236.4 302(2015) play both white and black in time control of 5+3 and 10+5 improved recently
5)elputoano 2174.0 233(2060) lost most games and play in most games recently blitz.
6)Forgive1219 2134.7 189(2315) play recently 5+5 with black and get near 50% at that time control(earlier tried many 1+1)
7)IM WhiteRabbit00735 2132.7 172(2804)
8)chess66666 2095.0 212(2433)
9)ericfromlux 1962.6 241(1867) usually play white and 5+3 and lost most games.
10)megaserg86 1953.0 272(2381)
11)Nechto37 1943.4 113(2507)
12)PedalExtremities 1909.9 125(2318)
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