Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

[lkaufman]

Since getting upgraded just prior to Sept. 28, LeelaKnightOdds-Dev (trained specifically for knight odds play) has the following results on LiChess, counting only games against 2400+ rated humans and only with a minimum of 3 min base AND 2 sec increment. 164 wins, five draws, ZERO losses!! Most of the opponents in the 2500s, which is typically somewhere between FM and IM level. This works out to a performance rating approaching 3300, way above the blitz rating of Magnus Carlsen on LiChess!! It's risky to extrapolate from this that the bot would actually win a 3'2" match giving Magnus Carlsen knight odds, but that would be my bet. Moreover, Leela did this despite being internally set to play 1'1" bullet speed or even faster, and despite the single-GPU computer sometimes playing other odds games simultaneously! Of course in Rapid it MIGHT only take a 2700 FIDE level opponent to win a match, perhaps we'll find out soon.
If anyone knows of any players near or above 2700 FIDE who might be interested in a match for moderate prize money, or if anyone has contact info for such a player who might be receptive, please send me a PM. We have one interested so far, but we would like to have two or three opponents this year. If and when we show that we can win a Rapid match from a 2700 ballpark player or two, we can start to approach the top ten players in the world. The goal is to be able to win a Rapid knight odds match with any human in the world by next year sometime. If we can't get Magnus Carlsen to play we'll have to show a performance rating against top-10 players that exceeds his rating to claim success.
I recall the discussions here about a decade ago, with the general conclusion that the above would be forever impossible, although I recall that Bob Hyatt disagreed with this conclusion. Hopefully we'll find out before too long.

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

[Father]

Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman. So I will do it. Regarding the algorithmic changes in LeelaRookOdds to avoid ties due to repetition of moves, I think I have already noticed or smelled it and this entails other types of dangers for the computer, since I can lead it to a blind hole with no way out. my own territory in the area and breakfast times... I was surprised by this game in the morning where the computer did not accept the filet mignon poisoned with a little coffee... this is new for me and it has surprised me favorably.. .the machine did not accept to dance with my queen, which really was a trap in the best Mata Hari style. Amazing!!

[Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/Ry4vhjhR"]
[Date "2024.10.06"]
[White "LeelaRookOdds"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.06"]
[UTCTime "14:04:26"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. c4?? { (0.15 → -4.72) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Nd5 Nbd7) 1... e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 c6 5. b3 Bb4 6. Bb2 Ne4 7. Ne2 Qa5 8. Qa1 Nxc3 9. Nxc3 O-O 10. Bd3 f5 11. h3 g6?! { (-4.53 → -3.39) Inaccuracy. Kh8 was best. } (11... Kh8 12. f4 Qd8 13. g4 a5 14. g5 b6 15. g6 Nd7 16. c5 a4) 12. c5 Nd7 13. O-O Nf6 14. Ne2 Qd8 15. Kh2 Ba5 16. Nc1 Rf7 17. f3 a6 18. Be2 Bc7+ 19. Kg1 Bd7 20. Nd3 Qe8 21. Kf2 Qe7 22. Rg1 Kh8 23. Bd1 Rg8 24. Bc3 Qd8?! { (-5.30 → -4.08) Inaccuracy. Ne4+ was best. } (24... Ne4+ 25. fxe4 fxe4+ 26. Nf4 g5 27. g3 gxf4 28. exf4 Bxf4 29. Bh5 Bxg3+ 30. Ke2) 25. Be1 Ba5 26. a4 Bxe1+ 27. Kxe1 Be8 28. Rh1 Re7 29. Kd2 Rgg7 30. Qc3 Nd7 31. h4 h5 32. f4 Kg8?! { (-3.52 → -2.72) Inaccuracy. a5 was best. } (32... a5 33. Bf3 b6 34. Rb1 Nf6 35. b4 Rb7 36. Kc2 bxc5 37. Qxc5 axb4 38. Rxb4) 33. a5 Nf6 34. Kc1 Ne4 35. Qe1 Nf6 36. Ne5 Nd7 37. Nf3 Nf6 38. Be2 Qc7 39. b4 Bd7 40. Ne5 Be8 41. Nf3 Nd7 42. Qc3 Nb8 43. Kd2 Nd7 44. Ke1 Nf8 45. Kf2 Nh7 46. Kg1 Nf6 47. Rh3 Ne4 48. Qb2 Nf6 49. Qc3 Kh8 50. Rh1 Qc8 51. Qb2 Qd8 52. Rh3 Qc7 53. Qc3 Ng8 54. Rh1 Nh6 55. Rh3 Ng4 56. Rh1 Nf6 57. Rh3 Ne4 58. Qb2 Rg8 59. Ne5 Kh7 60. Bd1 Reg7 61. Be2 Nf6 62. Qd2 Ng4 63. Nf3 Nf6 64. Ne5 Nd7 65. Nf3 Nf8 66. Ne5 Kh8 67. Bd1 Qe7 68. Be2 Rf7 69. Kf2 Rgg7 70. Kg1 Kg8 71. Bd1 Rf6 72. Be2 Rff7 73. Bd1 Qc7 74. Be2 Rd7 75. Bd1 Rdf7 76. Be2 Nd7 77. Nf3 Nf6 78. Ne5 Ng4 79. Nf3 Qd7 80. Rh1 Kh8 81. Rh3 Kg8 82. Rh1 Rh7 83. Rh3 Rfg7 84. Rh1 Kh8 85. Rh3 Rh6 86. Rh1 Rgh7 87. Rh3 Qf7?? { (-2.29 → 0.00) Blunder. g5 was best. } (87... g5 88. hxg5 Rg6 89. Ne1 Qe7 90. Nd3 h4 91. Qe1 Rgg7 92. Bxg4 fxg4 93. Rxh4) 88. Rh1?? { (0.00 → -2.23) Blunder. Ng5 was best. } (88. Ng5 Qe7 89. Bd1) 88... Bd7?? { (-2.23 → 0.00) Blunder. g5 was best. } (88... g5 89. hxg5 Rg6 90. Rh3 Qf8 91. Nh4 Rg8 92. Qe1 Qe7 93. Qd1 Qd8 94. Qa1) 89. Ng5 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[Father]

[Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2pYF8dWV"]
[Date "2024.10.06"]
[White "LeelaKnightOdds-dev"]
[Black "Catecan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.06"]
[UTCTime "01:13:49"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[BlackElo "2082"]
[WhiteTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. b3?? { (0.15 → -4.95) Blunder. e4 was best. } (1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. d4 cxd4) 1... d5 2. Bb2 e6 3. e3 c6 4. f4 f5 5. Qe2 Nf6 6. Nf3 Bd6 7. Rg1 Qe7 8. h3 Ba3 9. Bxa3 Qxa3 10. g4 g6 11. Qd3 Qe7 12. g5 Nh5 13. Qc3 O-O 14. Be2 Qg7 15. d4 a6 16. Kf2 Re8 17. Nh4 Re7 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. Bxh5 gxh5 20. Qa5 Be8 21. c4 Bg6 22. c5 Rc7 23. Nf3 Qe7 24. Ne1 Qd8 25. Nd3 Rd7 26. Qa3 Re7 27. h4 Qc7 28. Rac1 Kg7 29. Rc2 Kg8 30. Qc1 Kg7 31. Kg3 Qc8 32. Qd2 Qc7 33. b4 Qc8 34. a4 Qc7 35. Ra2 Qc8 36. Rb1 Rc7 37. Qb2 Re7 38. Ra3 Rc7 39. Rba1 Re7 40. R1a2 Rc7 41. b5 Kg8 42. bxa6 Nxa6 43. Rb3 Ra7 44. Rb6 Qd7 45. Qb1 Qe7 46. Rab2 Kg7 47. R2b3 Kg8 48. Ne5 Kg7 49. Qb2 Kg8 50. Nd3 Kg7 51. Kf2 Kg8 52. Ke1 Kg7 53. Kd2 Kg8 54. Qb1 Kg7 55. Rb2 Kg8 56. R6b3 Kg7 57. Ke2 Kg8 58. Kf2 Kg7 59. Kg3 Kg8 60. a5 Kg7 61. Rb6 Kg8 62. R2b3 Kg7 63. Ne1 Kg8 64. Nf3 Kg7 65. Ng1 Kg8 66. Qb2 Kg7 67. Ne2 Kg8 68. Kf2 Kg7 69. Nc1 Kg8 70. Ne2 Kg7 71. Kg3 Kg8? { (-1.53 → 0.00) Mistake. Qd7 was best. } (71... Qd7 72. Ng1 Qc8 73. Nf3 Be8 74. Ne5 Kg8 75. Ra3 Nb8 76. Kh3 Nd7 77. Nxd7) 72. Kh2? { (0.00 → -1.57) Mistake. Kf2 was best. } (72. Kf2) 72... Kg7? { (-1.57 → 0.00) Mistake. Qd7 was best. } (72... Qd7) 73. Kh1? { (0.00 → -1.63) Mistake. Kg3 was best. } (73. Kg3) 73... Kg8 74. Kg2 Kg7? { (-1.55 → 0.00) Mistake. Qd7 was best. } (74... Qd7 75. Nc1 Qc8 76. Nd3 Nb8 77. Kh3 Be8 78. Ra3 Rg7 79. Qa1 Re7 80. Ne5) 75. Kf2? { (0.00 → -1.52) Mistake. Kg3 was best. } (75. Kg3) 75... Kg8 76. Ke1 Kg7 77. Ra3 Kg8 78. Kd2 Kg7 79. Rab3 Kg8 80. Ke1 Kg7 81. Ng3 Kg8?? { (-1.92 → 0.00) Blunder. h6 was best. } (81... h6 82. Ne2 hxg5 83. hxg5 h4 84. Ng1 Bh5 85. Qh2 Ra8 86. Qxh4 Rh8 87. Qg3) 82. Nf1?? { (0.00 → -2.00) Blunder. Ne2 was best. } (82. Ne2) 82... Kg7 83. Ng3 Kg8?? { (-1.81 → 0.00) Blunder. h6 was best. } (83... h6 84. Ne2 hxg5 85. hxg5 Kg8 86. Ng1 e5 87. Kf2 e4 88. Kg3 h4+ 89. Kxh4) 84. Kf1?? { (0.00 → -1.91) Blunder. Ne2 was best. } (84. Ne2) 84... Kg7?? { (-1.91 → 0.00) Blunder. h6 was best. } (84... h6 85. Ne2 hxg5 86. hxg5 h4 87. Kg1 Bh5 88. Kh2 Bxe2 89. Qxe2 Qf7 90. Rb1) 85. Kg1?? { (0.00 → -1.72) Blunder. Ke1 was best. } (85. Ke1) 85... Kg8 86. Kg2 Kg7 87. Kh1 Kg8 88. Kg1 Kg7 89. Ra3 Kg8 90. Ne2 Kg7 91. Nc1 Kg8 92. Nd3 Kg7 93. Ne5 Kg8 94. Rab3 Kg7 95. Kf2 Kg8 96. Ke1 Kg7 97. Kd2 Kg8 98. Qb1 Kg7 99. Qb2 Kg8 100. Ke2 Kg7? { (-1.29 → 0.00) Mistake. Be8 was best. } (100... Be8 101. Kf2) 101. Kf2? { (0.00 → -1.19) Mistake. Kd2 was best. } (101. Kd2) 101... Kg8 102. Kg3 Kg7?! { (-1.04 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. Nb8 was best. } (102... Nb8 103. Qb1 Kg7 104. Nd3 Qd7 105. Kh3 Qc8 106. Ra3 h6 107. Qg1 hxg5 108. Qxg5) 103. Kh3?! { (0.00 → -1.06) Inaccuracy. Kf2 was best. } (103. Kf2) 103... Kg8 104. Kh2 Kg7 105. Kg1 Kg8 106. Kf2 Kg7 107. Ke1 Kg8?! { (-0.89 → -0.27) Inaccuracy. Nb8 was best. } (107... Nb8 108. Nc4) 108. Kd2?! { (-0.27 → -1.09) Inaccuracy. Qg2 was best. } (108. Qg2 Be8) 108... Kg7 109. Qb1 Kg8?! { (-1.04 → 0.00) Inaccuracy. h6 was best. } (109... h6) 110. Qb2 { The game is a draw. } 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[Father]

[Event "Casual blitz game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/mskpCYab "] [Date "2024.10.07"] [White "LeelaQueenForKnight"] [Black "Catecan"] [Result "0-1"] [UTCDate "2024.10.07"] [UTCTime "04:55:29"] [WhiteElo "2000"] [BlackElo "2082"] [WhiteTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "180+2"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. Nf3 d5 2. e3 e6 3. Be2 c5 4. O-O Nf6 5. d3 b6 6. a4 Bb7 7. Re1 Bd6 8. a5 O-O 9. Nc3 Qc7 10. Nb5 Qc6 11. a6 Bc8 12. c4 Rd8 13. e4 dxe4 14. dxe4 Nxe4 15. Ng5 Nxg5 16. Bxg5 f6 17. Bf3 Qxf3 18. gxf3 fxg5 19. Red1 Be7 20. Nc7 Rb8 21. Re1 Bd6 22. Nxe6 Bxe6 23. Rxe6 Rd7 24. Rae1 Rbd8 25. h3 Kf7 26. Kf1 Re7 27. R6e3 Rxe3 28. fxe3 Be5 29. Ke2 h5 30. Rb1 Ke6 31. Rg1 Kf6 32. Rb1 g6 33. Rc1 Kf5 34. Rb1 h4 35. Rg1 Bxb2 36. Rg4 Be5 37. Rg1 Bg3 38. Rf1 Rd6 39. Rc1 Ke5 40. Rf1 Rd8 41. Rg1 Rd7 42. Rf1 Kd6 43. Rb1 Kc6 44. Rb2 Rd8 45. Rb5 Be5 46. Rb3 Rb8 47. Rb5 Bc3 48. Rb3 Bb4 49. Rd3 b5 50. cxb5+ Kxb5 51. Rd7 Kxa6 52. Kd3 Kb5 53. Rxa7 c4+ 54. Kc2 Rd8 55. Rb7+ Kc5 56. Rc7+ Kd5 57. e4+ Kd4 58. e5 Kxe5 59. Rxc4 Be7 60. Re4+ Kf6 61. Rg4 Rd5 62. Rg1 Bd6 63. Rb1 Kf5 64. Kc3 Kf4 65. Kc4 Rd2 66. Rg1 Rf2 67. Kd5 Ba3 68. Ke6 Rxf3 69. Rg4+ Ke3 70. Rg2 Rg3 71. Ra2 Kf4 72. Rc2 Rxh3 73. Rc4+ Kg3 74. Rc2 Kg4 75. Kf7 Kh5 76. Rc7 Rf3+ 77. Kg7 Bb2+ 78. Kg8 g4 79. Rc2 Be5 80. Re2 Bf6 81. Ra2 h3 82. Rh2 Kh4 83. Rc2 Be5 84. Rc4 h2 85. Rc1 Kh3 86. Rd1 g3 87. Re1 Bf4 88. Re7 g5 89. Rh7+ Kg2 90. Kf7 Kh1 91. Kg8 g2 92. Rb7 g1=Q 93. Rf7 Qb1 94. Rf6 Kg2 95. Kf7 h1=Q 96. Rg6 Qb7+ 97. Ke6 Qe1+ 98. Kf5 Bc1+ 99. Kg4 Qee4+ 100. Kh5 Qh4# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1

[Father]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

[lkaufman]

Mr. Larry Kaufman.
This performance in the fight of man against machine with odds is really wonderful.
I consider that in man-machine duels with odds, that in some way, there are real probabilities on the part of the human being to acquire progress in shortening the distances.
If at any time you wish or consider that it is useful for you to participate in man-versus-machine duels, I would be attentive to an invitation, in exchange for the sole pleasure of playing chess, without a prize of any kind.

Thank you. Your games have been helpful in highlighting the issue of allowing early repetition draws, we're working on ways to reduce them. If you want to know what I would consider most useful, I would like to see you play games with LeelaQueenForKnight, at whatever time limit allows you to win a decent percentage of the games. It's most helpful when players pick a handicap that is a bit difficult for them but where the win/loss ratio is not too one-sided. My guess is that you'll need a fairly slow blitz or even Rapid TC to do this; it's WAY harder than actual queen odds, though easier for the human than rook odds.

...excellent odds!! I have stated, ( 20 games ) I believe that as human beings playing against odds, we have the possibility of learning more about the odds and thus increase the probability of improving the results... I have a question; What could be the estimated elo of this odds? Thank you Mr. Larry Kaufman.

In LiChess blitz games that bot performs around 2400 Lichess level, which is considered to be equivalent to 2235 FIDE rating. Of course it would be lower at longer time controls, but you are playing blitz, so the above is appropriate for you.

[Father]

Since getting upgraded just prior to Sept. 28, LeelaKnightOdds-Dev (trained specifically for knight odds play) has the following results on LiChess, counting only games against 2400+ rated humans and only with a minimum of 3 min base AND 2 sec increment. 164 wins, five draws, ZERO losses!! Most of the opponents in the 2500s, which is typically somewhere between FM and IM level. This works out to a performance rating approaching 3300, way above the blitz rating of Magnus Carlsen on LiChess!! It's risky to extrapolate from this that the bot would actually win a 3'2" match giving Magnus Carlsen knight odds, but that would be my bet. Moreover, Leela did this despite being internally set to play 1'1" bullet speed or even faster, and despite the single-GPU computer sometimes playing other odds games simultaneously! Of course in Rapid it MIGHT only take a 2700 FIDE level opponent to win a match, perhaps we'll find out soon.
If anyone knows of any players near or above 2700 FIDE who might be interested in a match for moderate prize money, or if anyone has contact info for such a player who might be receptive, please send me a PM. We have one interested so far, but we would like to have two or three opponents this year. If and when we show that we can win a Rapid match from a 2700 ballpark player or two, we can start to approach the top ten players in the world. The goal is to be able to win a Rapid knight odds match with any human in the world by next year sometime. If we can't get Magnus Carlsen to play we'll have to show a performance rating against top-10 players that exceeds his rating to claim success.
I recall the discussions here about a decade ago, with the general conclusion that the above would be forever impossible, although I recall that Bob Hyatt disagreed with this conclusion. Hopefully we'll find out before too long.

Mr. Larry Kaufman.

I've had a long dance routine against "LeelaQueenFortKnigh." One hundred musical pieces, and the final score was the following: "Catecan 16; BOT LeelaQueenForKnigh 84!! " As it is, the silicon monster is ahead of me or superior by 476 fangs. I believe that in the human way, there is a real probability of learning and overcoming this result in a significant way... I do not want to speculate the exact dimension, but in its essence... significant. The proof of this comes from the fact that there are lines where the computer is literally palpably liquidated, such as the case of the examples provided here.


[ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 c5 3. dxc5 a5 4. b3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e5 6. Bb5 Bxc5 7. Bxc6 dxc6 8. Nxe5 O-O 9. O-O a4 10. Nd3 Be7 11. Bb2 Bf5 12. Qe2 Rfe8 13. Rfc1 Nd5 14. Qf1 a3 15. Be5 Bf8 16. c4 Nxe3 17. fxe3 Bxd3 18. Qxd3 Rxe5 19. Qd7 Re7 20. Qd3 Rae8 21. Re1 Re6 22. Kh1 Bb4 23. Re2 Rd6 24. Qc2 Red8 25. g3 Rd3 26. Rf1 Bc3 27. Kg2 Rd2 28. Rxd2 Rxd2+ 29. Qxd2 Bxd2 30. Rd1 Ba5 31. Rd7 b5 32. cxb5 cxb5 33. Rd5 Kf8 34. Rxb5 Bd2 35. Kf3 Ke7 36. Rb7+ Ke6 37. e4 Bc3 38. Ra7 Bb4 39. Ra4 Bd6 40. Rc4 h5 41. h4 g6 42. b4 f6 43. b5 Kd7 44. b6 Be5 45. b7 Bb8 46. Rc8 Be5 47. b8=Q Bxb8 48. Rxb8 Ke6 49. Rb3 Ke5 50. Rxa3 Kd4 51. Ra6 g5 52. hxg5 fxg5 53. Rh6 g4+ 54. Kf4 Kd3 55. Rxh5 Kd2 56. Rh4 Ke2 57. Rxg4 Kd3 58. Rg8 Kc4 59. Rb8 Kd3 60. a4 Kd4 61. a5 Kc5 62. e5 Kd5 63. a6 Kd4 64. a7 Kd3 65. Kf5 Kd4 66. e6 Kd3 67. e7 Kc3 68. g4 Kd3 69. g5 Kd4 70. g6 Kd3 71. g7 Kd4 72. g8=R Kd3 73. e8=R Kc3 74. a8=R Kd3 75. Rbd8+ Kc3 76. Rac8+ Kb4 77. Rg7 Kb5 78. Rg1 Kb6 79. Rb1+ Ka5 80. Ra8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0


[Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2L2389Re"]
[Date "2024.10.08"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenForKnight"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.08"]
[UTCTime "13:37:37"]
[WhiteElo "2082"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 a5 4. Bb5 Bd7 5. Qe2 e6 6. Ne5 Nxe5 7. dxe5 c6 8. Bd3 Bc5 9. c4 Ne7 10. cxd5 cxd5 11. O-O O-O 12. b3 b6 13. Bb2 Nc6 14. f4 a4 15. Rac1 axb3 16. axb3 Ra2 17. Ra1 Rfa8 18. Rxa2 Rxa2 19. Ra1 Rxa1+ 20. Bxa1 h5 21. Bb5 Kf8 22. Bxc6 Bxc6 23. Bd4 Bxd4 24. exd4 Be8 25. Qxh5 f6 26. Qe2 Ke7 27. g4 Bg6 28. Qb5 fxe5 29. fxe5 Bc2 30. Qxb6 Bd3 31. Qd6+ Kf7 32. b4 Bb5 33. Kf2 g5 34. Kg3 Ba4 35. Qc5 Bd7 36. b5 Bxb5 37. Qxb5 Ke7 38. Qb7+ Kf8 39. Qd7 Kg8 40. Qxe6+ Kg7 41. Qf5 Kg8 42. Qxg5+ Kf7 43. Qf6+ Ke8 44. Qd6 Kf7 45. Qxd5+ Kg7 46. Qc6 Kf7 47. Qf6+ Ke8 48. Qg7 Kd8 49. h4 Kc8 50. h5 Kb8 51. g5 Kc8 52. h6 Kd8 53. g6 Kc8 54. h7 Kb8 55. Qf7 Ka8 56. g7 Kb8 57. Qe7 Ka8 58. e6 Kb8 59. d5 Ka8 60. d6 Kb8 61. Qd7 Ka8 62. e7 Kb8 63. Qe6 Kb7 64. Qc4 Kb6 65. d7 Kb7 66. d8=R Kb6 67. e8=R Ka5 68. g8=R Kb6 69. h8=R Ka5 70. Rh5+ Kb6 71. Rg6+ Kb7 72. Re7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0

[Event "Casual blitz game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/jRSWHXpa "] [Date "2024.10.07"] [White "LeelaQueenForKnight"] [Black "Catecan"] [Result "0-1"] [UTCDate "2024.10.07"] [UTCTime "21:00:53"] [WhiteElo "2000"] [BlackElo "2082"] [WhiteTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "180+0"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nbd2 c5 4. e4 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nf6 6. Nxc5 Bxc5 7. dxc5 Qa5+ 8. c3 Qxc5 9. Be3 Qc7 10. Bd4 O-O 11. Be5 Qb6 12. Bd3 Bd7 13. O-O-O Bc6 14. Bd4 Qc7 15. Rhe1 Rfd8 16. Bc2 Bxf3 17. gxf3 a6 18. Kb1 b5 19. h3 Rd7 20. Rc1 Rad8 21. Be5 Qc6 22. f4 Nd5 23. f5 exf5 24. Rg1 g6 25. h4 Re8 26. Bd4 b4 27. cxb4 Nxb4 28. Bc3 Nxc2 29. Rxc2 Qe4 30. h5 Red8 31. Rc1 Rd1 32. b3 Rxc1+ 33. Kxc1 Qf4+ 34. Kb2 Rc8 35. h6 f6 36. a4 a5 37. Bxa5 Rxc2+ 38. Kxc2 Qxf2+ 39. Kd3 Qa7 40. Bc3 Kf7 41. Bd4 Qb7 42. Kc4 f4 43. a5 g5 44. b4 Qc6+ 45. Bc5 g4 46. b5 Qe4+ 47. Kc3 Qa4 48. a6 Qxb5 49. Kd4 Qxa6 50. Ke4 Qa4+ 51. Bd4 Qxd4+ 52. Kxd4 Kg6 53. Kd3 f5 54. Ke2 Kxh6 55. Kf1 Kg5 56. Kf2 h5 57. Kf1 h4 58. Kf2 Kf6 59. Kg2 Ke5 60. Kf2 Ke4 61. Ke2 f3+ 62. Kd2 f4 63. Kc3 g3 64. Kc4 h3 65. Kc5 f2 66. Kc6 g2 67. Kc7 f3 68. Kc6 h2 69. Kb6 h1=Q 70. Kc6 g1=Q 71. Kc7 f1=Q 72. Kb7 Qfg2 73. Kc7 f2 74. Kb6 f1=Q+ 75. Kc7 Qf7+ 76. Kc6 Qgg6+ 77. Kb5 Q1g5+ 78. Kb4 Qb1+ 79. Ka4 Qa6# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[d][/pgn][/pgn]

[Father]

[Event "Casual blitz game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/2L2389Re "] [Date "2024.10.08"] [White "Catecan"] [Black "LeelaQueenForKnight"] [Result "1-0"] [UTCDate "2024.10.08"] [UTCTime "13:37:37"] [WhiteElo "2082"] [BlackElo "2000"] [BlackTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "180+0"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 a5 4. Bb5 Bd7 5. Qe2 e6 6. Ne5 Nxe5 7. dxe5 c6 8. Bd3 Bc5 9. c4 Ne7 10. cxd5 cxd5 11. O-O O-O 12. b3 b6 13. Bb2 Nc6 14. f4 a4 15. Rac1 axb3 16. axb3 Ra2 17. Ra1 Rfa8 18. Rxa2 Rxa2 19. Ra1 Rxa1+ 20. Bxa1 h5 21. Bb5 Kf8 22. Bxc6 Bxc6 23. Bd4 Bxd4 24. exd4 Be8 25. Qxh5 f6 26. Qe2 Ke7 27. g4 Bg6 28. Qb5 fxe5 29. fxe5 Bc2 30. Qxb6 Bd3 31. Qd6+ Kf7 32. b4 Bb5 33. Kf2 g5 34. Kg3 Ba4 35. Qc5 Bd7 36. b5 Bxb5 37. Qxb5 Ke7 38. Qb7+ Kf8 39. Qd7 Kg8 40. Qxe6+ Kg7 41. Qf5 Kg8 42. Qxg5+ Kf7 43. Qf6+ Ke8 44. Qd6 Kf7 45. Qxd5+ Kg7 46. Qc6 Kf7 47. Qf6+ Ke8 48. Qg7 Kd8 49. h4 Kc8 50. h5 Kb8 51. g5 Kc8 52. h6 Kd8 53. g6 Kc8 54. h7 Kb8 55. Qf7 Ka8 56. g7 Kb8 57. Qe7 Ka8 58. e6 Kb8 59. d5 Ka8 60. d6 Kb8 61. Qd7 Ka8 62. e7 Kb8 63. Qe6 Kb7 64. Qc4 Kb6 65. d7 Kb7 66. d8=R Kb6 67. e8=R Ka5 68. g8=R Kb6 69. h8=R Ka5 70. Rh5+ Kb6 71. Rg6+ Kb7 72. Re7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0

Since getting upgraded just prior to Sept. 28, LeelaKnightOdds-Dev (trained specifically for knight odds play) has the following results on LiChess, counting only games against 2400+ rated humans and only with a minimum of 3 min base AND 2 sec increment. 164 wins, five draws, ZERO losses!! Most of the opponents in the 2500s, which is typically somewhere between FM and IM level. This works out to a performance rating approaching 3300, way above the blitz rating of Magnus Carlsen on LiChess!! It's risky to extrapolate from this that the bot would actually win a 3'2" match giving Magnus Carlsen knight odds, but that would be my bet. Moreover, Leela did this despite being internally set to play 1'1" bullet speed or even faster, and despite the single-GPU computer sometimes playing other odds games simultaneously! Of course in Rapid it MIGHT only take a 2700 FIDE level opponent to win a match, perhaps we'll find out soon.
If anyone knows of any players near or above 2700 FIDE who might be interested in a match for moderate prize money, or if anyone has contact info for such a player who might be receptive, please send me a PM. We have one interested so far, but we would like to have two or three opponents this year. If and when we show that we can win a Rapid match from a 2700 ballpark player or two, we can start to approach the top ten players in the world. The goal is to be able to win a Rapid knight odds match with any human in the world by next year sometime. If we can't get Magnus Carlsen to play we'll have to show a performance rating against top-10 players that exceeds his rating to claim success.
I recall the discussions here about a decade ago, with the general conclusion that the above would be forever impossible, although I recall that Bob Hyatt disagreed with this conclusion. Hopefully we'll find out before too long.

Mr. Larry Kaufman.

I've had a long dance routine against "LeelaQueenFortKnigh." One hundred musical pieces, and the final score was the following: "Catecan 16; BOT LeelaQueenForKnigh 84!! " As it is, the silicon monster is ahead of me or superior by 476 fangs. I believe that in the human way, there is a real probability of learning and overcoming this result in a significant way... I do not want to speculate the exact dimension, but in its essence... significant. The proof of this comes from the fact that there are lines where the computer is literally palpably liquidated, such as the case of the examples provided here.


[ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 c5 3. dxc5 a5 4. b3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e5 6. Bb5 Bxc5 7. Bxc6 dxc6 8. Nxe5 O-O 9. O-O a4 10. Nd3 Be7 11. Bb2 Bf5 12. Qe2 Rfe8 13. Rfc1 Nd5 14. Qf1 a3 15. Be5 Bf8 16. c4 Nxe3 17. fxe3 Bxd3 18. Qxd3 Rxe5 19. Qd7 Re7 20. Qd3 Rae8 21. Re1 Re6 22. Kh1 Bb4 23. Re2 Rd6 24. Qc2 Red8 25. g3 Rd3 26. Rf1 Bc3 27. Kg2 Rd2 28. Rxd2 Rxd2+ 29. Qxd2 Bxd2 30. Rd1 Ba5 31. Rd7 b5 32. cxb5 cxb5 33. Rd5 Kf8 34. Rxb5 Bd2 35. Kf3 Ke7 36. Rb7+ Ke6 37. e4 Bc3 38. Ra7 Bb4 39. Ra4 Bd6 40. Rc4 h5 41. h4 g6 42. b4 f6 43. b5 Kd7 44. b6 Be5 45. b7 Bb8 46. Rc8 Be5 47. b8=Q Bxb8 48. Rxb8 Ke6 49. Rb3 Ke5 50. Rxa3 Kd4 51. Ra6 g5 52. hxg5 fxg5 53. Rh6 g4+ 54. Kf4 Kd3 55. Rxh5 Kd2 56. Rh4 Ke2 57. Rxg4 Kd3 58. Rg8 Kc4 59. Rb8 Kd3 60. a4 Kd4 61. a5 Kc5 62. e5 Kd5 63. a6 Kd4 64. a7 Kd3 65. Kf5 Kd4 66. e6 Kd3 67. e7 Kc3 68. g4 Kd3 69. g5 Kd4 70. g6 Kd3 71. g7 Kd4 72. g8=R Kd3 73. e8=R Kc3 74. a8=R Kd3 75. Rbd8+ Kc3 76. Rac8+ Kb4 77. Rg7 Kb5 78. Rg1 Kb6 79. Rb1+ Ka5 80. Ra8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0


[Event "Casual blitz game"]
[Site "https://lichess.org/2L2389Re"]
[Date "2024.10.08"]
[White "Catecan"]
[Black "LeelaQueenForKnight"]
[Result "1-0"]
[UTCDate "2024.10.08"]
[UTCTime "13:37:37"]
[WhiteElo "2082"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[BlackTitle "BOT"]
[Variant "From Position"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Opening "?"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]

1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 a5 4. Bb5 Bd7 5. Qe2 e6 6. Ne5 Nxe5 7. dxe5 c6 8. Bd3 Bc5 9. c4 Ne7 10. cxd5 cxd5 11. O-O O-O 12. b3 b6 13. Bb2 Nc6 14. f4 a4 15. Rac1 axb3 16. axb3 Ra2 17. Ra1 Rfa8 18. Rxa2 Rxa2 19. Ra1 Rxa1+ 20. Bxa1 h5 21. Bb5 Kf8 22. Bxc6 Bxc6 23. Bd4 Bxd4 24. exd4 Be8 25. Qxh5 f6 26. Qe2 Ke7 27. g4 Bg6 28. Qb5 fxe5 29. fxe5 Bc2 30. Qxb6 Bd3 31. Qd6+ Kf7 32. b4 Bb5 33. Kf2 g5 34. Kg3 Ba4 35. Qc5 Bd7 36. b5 Bxb5 37. Qxb5 Ke7 38. Qb7+ Kf8 39. Qd7 Kg8 40. Qxe6+ Kg7 41. Qf5 Kg8 42. Qxg5+ Kf7 43. Qf6+ Ke8 44. Qd6 Kf7 45. Qxd5+ Kg7 46. Qc6 Kf7 47. Qf6+ Ke8 48. Qg7 Kd8 49. h4 Kc8 50. h5 Kb8 51. g5 Kc8 52. h6 Kd8 53. g6 Kc8 54. h7 Kb8 55. Qf7 Ka8 56. g7 Kb8 57. Qe7 Ka8 58. e6 Kb8 59. d5 Ka8 60. d6 Kb8 61. Qd7 Ka8 62. e7 Kb8 63. Qe6 Kb7 64. Qc4 Kb6 65. d7 Kb7 66. d8=R Kb6 67. e8=R Ka5 68. g8=R Kb6 69. h8=R Ka5 70. Rh5+ Kb6 71. Rg6+ Kb7 72. Re7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0

[Event "Casual blitz game"] [Site " https://lichess.org/jRSWHXpa "] [Date "2024.10.07"] [White "LeelaQueenForKnight"] [Black "Catecan"] [Result "0-1"] [UTCDate "2024.10.07"] [UTCTime "21:00:53"] [WhiteElo "2000"] [BlackElo "2082"] [WhiteTitle "BOT"] [Variant "From Position"] [TimeControl "180+0"] [ECO "?"] [Opening "?"] [Termination "Normal"] [FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] [Annotator "lichess.org"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nbd2 c5 4. e4 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nf6 6. Nxc5 Bxc5 7. dxc5 Qa5+ 8. c3 Qxc5 9. Be3 Qc7 10. Bd4 O-O 11. Be5 Qb6 12. Bd3 Bd7 13. O-O-O Bc6 14. Bd4 Qc7 15. Rhe1 Rfd8 16. Bc2 Bxf3 17. gxf3 a6 18. Kb1 b5 19. h3 Rd7 20. Rc1 Rad8 21. Be5 Qc6 22. f4 Nd5 23. f5 exf5 24. Rg1 g6 25. h4 Re8 26. Bd4 b4 27. cxb4 Nxb4 28. Bc3 Nxc2 29. Rxc2 Qe4 30. h5 Red8 31. Rc1 Rd1 32. b3 Rxc1+ 33. Kxc1 Qf4+ 34. Kb2 Rc8 35. h6 f6 36. a4 a5 37. Bxa5 Rxc2+ 38. Kxc2 Qxf2+ 39. Kd3 Qa7 40. Bc3 Kf7 41. Bd4 Qb7 42. Kc4 f4 43. a5 g5 44. b4 Qc6+ 45. Bc5 g4 46. b5 Qe4+ 47. Kc3 Qa4 48. a6 Qxb5 49. Kd4 Qxa6 50. Ke4 Qa4+ 51. Bd4 Qxd4+ 52. Kxd4 Kg6 53. Kd3 f5 54. Ke2 Kxh6 55. Kf1 Kg5 56. Kf2 h5 57. Kf1 h4 58. Kf2 Kf6 59. Kg2 Ke5 60. Kf2 Ke4 61. Ke2 f3+ 62. Kd2 f4 63. Kc3 g3 64. Kc4 h3 65. Kc5 f2 66. Kc6 g2 67. Kc7 f3 68. Kc6 h2 69. Kb6 h1=Q 70. Kc6 g1=Q 71. Kc7 f1=Q 72. Kb7 Qfg2 73. Kc7 f2 74. Kb6 f1=Q+ 75. Kc7 Qf7+ 76. Kc6 Qgg6+ 77. Kb5 Q1g5+ 78. Kb4 Qb1+ 79. Ka4 Qa6# { Black wins by checkmate. } 0-1[d][/pgn][/pgn]