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Engines showing 0.00 due to 50-move rule, but position was auto-adjudicated as an M72 TB win
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Indeed. Is the TD aware of the situation?Dan Cooper wrote:It should be changed to a draw. Not much discussion needed.
Martin is aware but not sure Anton is. Martin just said the result would stand because rules are rules.zenpawn wrote:Indeed. Is the TD aware of the situation?Dan Cooper wrote:It should be changed to a draw. Not much discussion needed.
If true and they stick by their "rules are rules" and "our head is in the sand" mantra, they can kiss their little tournament , as it stands today , "good bye". Idiocy at its finest - if true. Hopefully it's not true and the results are "fixed", make that "corrected". 😊Dan Cooper wrote:Martin is aware but not sure Anton is. Martin just said the result would stand because rules are rules.zenpawn wrote:Indeed. Is the TD aware of the situation?Dan Cooper wrote:It should be changed to a draw. Not much discussion needed.
I don't think they intended for this to happen though.
This is a bit of an overreaction.MikeB wrote:If true and they stick by their "rules are rules" and "our head is in the sand" mantra, they can kiss their little tournament , as it stands today , "good bye". Idiocy at its finest - if true. Hopefully it's not true and the results are "fixed", make that "corrected". 😊Dan Cooper wrote:Martin is aware but not sure Anton is. Martin just said the result would stand because rules are rules.zenpawn wrote:Indeed. Is the TD aware of the situation?Dan Cooper wrote:It should be changed to a draw. Not much discussion needed.
I don't think they intended for this to happen though.
Here is the problem. You can not claim the 50 move rule unless you have played the 50 moves. This never happened in the game.whereagles wrote:I think it should be a draw because engines played with 50-moves on. Who knows what would have happened if they had it disabled?
So yeah.. if you want to allow cursed wins (which I agree), engine programmers should be alerted before submitting the binaries.
Is Cutechess using Syzygy? Then it should know it's a draw. If it's using Nalimov tablebases it should be adjudicated manually. The programs know it's a draw and one of them may have counted on that.mwyoung wrote:TCEC rules state: Cutechess will also adjudicate 5-men or less tablebase endgame positions automatically.
cutechess adjudicates using Gaviota. And yes, both engines had the game scored as 0.00 when it was adjudicated.Dirt wrote:Is Cutechess using Syzygy? Then it should know it's a draw. If it's using Nalimov tablebases it should be adjudicated manually. The programs know it's a draw and one of them may have counted on that.mwyoung wrote:TCEC rules state: Cutechess will also adjudicate 5-men or less tablebase endgame positions automatically.