Magnus Carlsen and engines vs. Stockfish

[FriedmannC]

How about a match between Magnus Carlsen + HOUDINI 4 & KOMODO 7a ( both on 4 cores ) vs. Stockfish 5 running on 16 cores with the book limited for both sides at move 12? LTC at 90 minutes and 30 seconds increement for each move for the entire game 10 games let's say

[Sedat Canbaz]

How about a match between Magnus Carlsen + HOUDINI 4 & KOMODO 7a ( both on 4 cores ) vs. Stockfish 5 running on 16 cores with the book limited for both sides at move 12? LTC at 90 minutes and 30 seconds increement for each move for the entire game 10 games let's say

I hardly doubt there will be ever a such event...

But however in case,
I expect the score would be 7.5 – 2.5 or 8.5 – 1.5 in favor of Stockfish

To be honest,
I don't think that Magnus Carlsen can help...
Even human's ideas will be worse than Houdini and Komodo

Imagine...X person which is 500 Elo weaker than you, can help you a lot ??
Actually there is such possibility of course...but human's idea will be useful very rarely ))
Maybe in 2-3 game based on 100 games...!!))

Note also that Stockfish will be played on 16 Core, that means +150 Elo extra

And we should not forget to mention that,
The latest Stockfish versions are approx. 30-40 Elo stronger than Komodo and Houdini

Btw, I wonder a lot,
Who is stronger: Magnus Carlsen or Crafty 24 x64 6c ?

If we run with the below conditions:
- Crafty on i7 980X machine
- Time Control: 3m+2s per game
- Perfect 2014t book for Crafty

[reflectionofpower]

How about a match between Magnus Carlsen + HOUDINI 4 & KOMODO 7a
To be honest,
I don't think that Magnus Carlsen can help...
Even human's ideas will be worse than Houdini and Komodo

Btw, I wonder a lot,
Who is stronger: Magnus Carlsen or Crafty 24 x64 6c ?

If we run with the below conditions:
- Crafty on i7 980X machine
- Time Control: 3m+2s per game
- Perfect 2014t book for Crafty

I would pick Crafty. At 3 2 the program's strength increases exponentially as this time control fits well with it's strength.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Btw, I wonder a lot,
Who is stronger: Magnus Carlsen or Crafty 24 x64 6c ?

If we run with the below conditions:
- Crafty on i7 980X machine
- Time Control: 3m+2s per game
- Perfect 2014t book for Crafty

I would pick Crafty. At 3 2 the program's strength increases exponentially as this time control fits well with it's strength.

+1

I expect Crafty will be the winner (in case of such duel)....
But of course to be sure 100% we need games...

One thing more,
Sometimes I am wondering...why especially in the last 10 years,
GMs prefer handicapped conditions- without pawn; without book ???
Furthermore nowadays its become popular using extra engine in analysing...
And for tomorrow I don't know what will be the new idea ...)))

Actually much better would be if GMs will play a real chess (at full engine performance)
There are plenty chess engines around, where GMs can prefer to near to their playing strength

For example,
Crafty - GM match would be much more interesting than any handicapped match


Even there is a solution, if really Top GMs wish to play against Stockfish
For exapmle,
Stockfish on Intel Pentium III 800 MHz is expecting to be on similar level as many GMs ))




Best,
Sedat

[reflectionofpower]

Btw, I wonder a lot,
Who is stronger: Magnus Carlsen or Crafty 24 x64 6c ?

If we run with the below conditions:
- Crafty on i7 980X machine
- Time Control: 3m+2s per game
- Perfect 2014t book for Crafty

I would pick Crafty. At 3 2 the program's strength increases exponentially as this time control fits well with it's strength.

+1

I expect Crafty will be the winner (in case of such duel)....
But of course to be sure 100% we need games...

One thing more,
Sometimes I am wondering...why especially in the last 10 years,
GMs prefer handicapped conditions- without pawn; without book ???
Furthermore nowadays its become popular using extra engine in analysing...
And for tomorrow I don't know what will be the new idea ...)))

Actually much better would be if GMs will play a real chess (at full engine performance)
There are plenty chess engines around, where GMs can prefer to near to their playing strength

For example,
Crafty - GM match would be much more interesting than any handicapped match

Best,
Sedat

Yes, it would be and I agree with the other things you mentioned above. Bob's baby has played thousands of games vs GM. I see here in 2007 that Nakamura in 2007 was 0-2-2 vs crafty at 15 3 time control. One more example was crafty playing Roman (Roman Dzindzichashvili) who is know for playing (C) well. His record is 79-32-131 at 5 0 mostly.

Bob could tell you a little better than me how well it plays GM's but I suspect it does quite well.

Remember in 94 when CHess Genius beat Kasparov on a 90 MHz machine! or I forget when but Fritz 3 played a tourney with GMs at 25 0? and tied for first with Kasparov and this was almost 20 years ago.

[Sedat Canbaz]

EDIT: Stockfish on AMD K6-2 233 is expecting to be on similar level as many GMs ))

Note: I believe that Stockfish on Intel Pentium III 800 MHz would be slightly stronger than GMs

[Sedat Canbaz]

Yes, it would be and I agree with the other things you mentioned above. Bob's baby has played thousands of games vs GM. I see here in 2007 that Nakamura in 2007 was 0-2-2 vs crafty at 15 3 time control. One more example was crafty playing Roman (Roman Dzindzichashvili) who is know for playing (C) well. His record is 79-32-131 at 5 0 mostly.

Bob could tell you a little better than me how well it plays GM's but I suspect it does quite well.

Thanks for the useful info...

As far as I understand, all those played results were in favour of Crafty, right ? )

Regards,
Sedat

[reflectionofpower]

Yes, it would be and I agree with the other things you mentioned above. Bob's baby has played thousands of games vs GM. I see here in 2007 that Nakamura in 2007 was 0-2-2 vs crafty at 15 3 time control. One more example was crafty playing Roman (Roman Dzindzichashvili) who is know for playing (C) well. His record is 79-32-131 at 5 0 mostly.

Bob could tell you a little better than me how well it plays GM's but I suspect it does quite well.

Thanks for the useful info...

As far as I understand, all those played results were in favour of Crafty, right ? )

Regards,
Sedat

yeap

[Sedat Canbaz]

Yes, it would be and I agree with the other things you mentioned above. Bob's baby has played thousands of games vs GM. I see here in 2007 that Nakamura in 2007 was 0-2-2 vs crafty at 15 3 time control. One more example was crafty playing Roman (Roman Dzindzichashvili) who is know for playing (C) well. His record is 79-32-131 at 5 0 mostly.

Bob could tell you a little better than me how well it plays GM's but I suspect it does quite well.

Thanks for the useful info...

As far as I understand, all those played results were in favour of Crafty, right ? )

Regards,
Sedat

yeap

Wow...Crafty 24 seems to be very strong then...and we need to find a weaker participant, what about Movei 00.8.438 )) ?

I think Movei 00.8.438's performance will be on similar strength as many GMs

Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

BTW, Just I'd like to add,
My 6th sense says that, GMs prefer those handicapped conditions due to they are traing before...
Because chess engines without book or without pawn play almost same moves...

That's why my suggestion is that,
Chess engines should be tested at maximum performance, if we want to see their real strenght !! ))