Komodo4 sees this quickly, but takes a while to see the advantage of it.Uri Blass wrote:Houdini3 also does not see the advantage with Nd2 so I see no reason to insult humans who did not see it.kgburcham wrote:not a blunder to you, I am ok with that.michiguel wrote:That is not blunder. A blunder is a horrible and stupid mistake. Even if Nd2 wins and Nd6 does not, still not a blunder. No seeing a win 30 plies ahead is not a blunder by any stretch of the definition. If that is a blunder, it should be explained in few words. Why do you think it is a blunder?kgburcham wrote:why should it be? because if you play it out with a strong program with strong hardware the score increases with each move if you play bm for both sides.michiguel wrote:Why should be? at minimum it secured a draw and a WC.kgburcham wrote:why do you think 43.Nd6 is not a blunder?michiguel wrote:Capablanca beat Lasker w/o any defeat, Kramnik to Kasparov, and Lasker did it too, but I do not remember to whom now, but he was the defending champ.jdart wrote:It is astonishing that the match ended without Anand winning a single game. This has never happened before in a world championship, as far as I know.
I was a bit disappointed with the 12-game format - I hope in future FIDE will consider a somewhat longer match.
--Jon
Very clear victory. MC played like a computer, not making blunders, and allowing Anand to self destruct. An extremely boring match, that will leave very little to remember, from the chess point of view.
Miguel
Miguel+2.81++ 43.Nd2
[d] 8/1pk3p1/p3p2p/P1K2p2/2P1NP2/1P2n1PP/8/8 w - -
no not true, it did not secure a draw, blunders by both humans secured the draw.
no not true it did not secure a WC, blunders by Anand allowed the human opponent to secure the WC.
kgburcham
Miguel
to me it seems a blunder when a 2800 GM misses a 2 or 3 point move.
most of the time a two point move would be a loss against a program but against a human it might hold with opponents errors.
the fact is the 2800 human could not see the advantage, they are limited.
kgburcham
there are clearly better example for blunders but for some reason you do not choose positions when all top programs can find the right move in less than 0.1 seconds and even 2000 players can understand easily why the move is bad and carlsen missed a win in the same game by 30.exd6
that I expect even myself to avoid in a game(I can explain it by the fact that carlsen cared first not to lose so did not search for a better move after being sure that 30.exd6 is not losing) but for some reason you do not choose this move as a blunder but the mistake that it is hard to find
when houdni3 tactical fails to find it even after more than 70,000,000,000 nodes and houdini3 not tactical fails to find it after more than 4,000,000,000 nodes
Note that I used 1 cpu so the results are going to be reproducable.
Matthew:out