FIDE World Chess Championship thread

[peter]

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

You would have lost your half point more than you should have, like Anand did, Dr. Deeb, but he didn't before move 51...

Look here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... #pid491463

Funny, the 7er tbs- positions after 51...Re2!, aren't they?

[IGarcia]

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

You would have lost your half point more than you should have, like Anand did, Dr. Deeb, but he didn't before move 51...

Look here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... #pid491463

Funny, the 7er tbs- positions after 51...Re2!, aren't they?

If you look at live streaming video, go back to 11:12:50 and you will se how GM Abhijit Kunte says the position with 2 rook pawns is a draw. Black dont need eny more the c5 pawn. He said he has defended similar position on the board.

SO , if it is true at 46...Rg1 black is lost and at 51...Re2 draws, in between rhose moves Carlsen blundered.

PS: live streaming at: http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carls ... ommentary/

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

You would have lost your half point more than you should have, like Anand did, Dr. Deeb, but he didn't before move 51...

Look here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... #pid491463

Funny, the 7er tbs- positions after 51...Re2!, aren't they?

Yep,chess is a heavy duty issue

I didn't go that deep to find the drawing move and even if I did I would have missed it as well
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

You would have lost your half point more than you should have, like Anand did, Dr. Deeb, but he didn't before move 51...

Look here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... #pid491463

Funny, the 7er tbs- positions after 51...Re2!, aren't they?

If you look at live streaming video, go back to 11:12:50 and you will se how GM Abhijit Kunte says the position with 2 rook pawns is a draw. Black dont need eny more the c5 pawn. He said he has defended similar position on the board.

SO , if it is true at 46...Rg1 black is lost and at 51...Re2 draws, in between rhose moves Carlsen blundered.

PS: live streaming at: http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carls ... ommentary/

Fully agreed....

Carlsen also blundered but Anand made more blunders and lost the game....

Chess is a crazy game regards,
Dr.D

[Laskos]

Hello:

If I maintain the parameters of former simulations, I get now:

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White advantage:              40.0 Elo.
Supposed rating difference:   47.0 Elo.

            1000000 simulations:

Carlsen wins:               827374
Anand wins:                  48138
Drawn matches:              124488

Approximated elapsed time:    4.31 seconds.

Carlsen's win of today is very important due to the short length of the match (only 12 games). If I suppose 30% of chances for Carlsen after a drawn match (I think that 30% is a low value): 82.7374% + 0.3*12.4488% = 86.47204% ~ 86.47%. There is a big jump of over 15% in my clumsy forecast just after this game.

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Today Anand played really well the middlegame until ..., Rc1+; just as a side note, I started to see the game around 30th move and my last seen move was Bh7 by Carlsen, just the previous move to ..., Rc1+. Curious thing.

I am satisfied with the fighting spirit of last games.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

Hi Jesus, I also get 86%/14% in my sims, and the funny thing is that betters too give 86%/14% odds.

As to the game, I was so sure of a draw that I too left viewing before Rc1+, only to discover 2 hours later that Anand lost. Carlsen seems to be a wizard of endgames, he can get the blood in apparently (by engines) even endgames.

[peter]

SO , if it is true at 46...Rg1 black is lost and at 51...Re2 draws, in between rhose moves Carlsen blundered.

You're right, Ignacio, IF it WAS true, but I'm rather sure, it WAS and it IS NOT.

Here is H3's output after 45th white move, 45...Rc1 has the same eval as 51.Re2 has after the 50 moves played in original game, this is from 12cores with 8G hash and Nalimov's 6er tbs after slow backward solving from the remis- 7some position:

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8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/PbK5/6PP/3r4 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Houdini 3 Pro x640:

1. =  (0.00): 45...Ta1 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.Lxb3 Txa3 48.Kc4 axb3 49.Th6+ Kd7 50.Kc3 Ta2 51.Kxb3 Txg2 52.Txh4 Ke6 53.Kc4 Tc2+ 54.Kd3 Ta2 55.Th5 Kd5 56.e6+ Kxe6 57.Txc5 Txh2 58.Ta5 Th3+ 59.Ke4 Th4+ 60.Kd3 Th3+ 61.Ke4 
2. =  (0.14): 45...Te1 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.Th6+ Kc7 48.Lxb3 Te3+ 49.Kb2 Txb3+ 50.Ka2 Te3 51.Txh4 Te2+ 52.Kb1 Txg2 53.e6 Kd6 54.Te4 Ke7 55.h4 Th2 56.Txa4 Kxe6 57.Tg4 Kd7 58.a4 Kc7 59.Tc4 Kb6 60.Te4 Ka5 61.Kc1 
3. +/=  (0.36): 45...h3 46.Txh3 Tc1+ 47.Kb2 Tg1 48.Tg3 Kxe5 49.Lg8 Lxg8 50.Txg8 Th1 51.h3 Kd4 52.Kc2 Ta1 53.Tg4+ Kd5 54.Tg3 Ke4 55.Kb2 Th1 56.Kc3 Tc1+ 57.Kd2 Ta1 58.Kc2 Ke5 59.Tg5+ Kd4 
4. +/=  (0.47): 45...Tc1+ 46.Kb2 Tg1 47.Lg8+ Kc6 48.Th6+ Kd7 49.Lxb3 axb3 
5. +/=  (0.47): 45...Tg1 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.Th6+ Kd7 48.Lxb3 axb3 49.Kxb3 Txg2 50.e6+ Kd6 51.e7+ Kxe7 52.Txh4 Tg6 53.a4 Tb6+ 
6. +/-  (0.80): 45...Kc6 46.Le4+ Kb5 47.Ld3+ Kc6 48.Th6+ Kc7 49.Lf5 Ta1 50.Th7+ Kc6 51.e6 Kd6 52.e7 Te1 53.Txh4 Txe7 54.Te4 Tb7 55.Te2 Ld5 56.Lc2 Lb3 57.Le4 Tb8 58.Lf3 Th8 59.Td2+ 
7. +/-  (1.22): 45...Td4 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.Th6+ Kb5 48.Lxb3 axb3 49.e6 Kc6 50.e7+ Kd7 51.Te6 Ke8 52.Te2 Tf4 53.Kxb3 Td4 54.a4 Td3+ 55.Kc4 Td4+ 56.Kb5 Tb4+ 57.Kxc5 Txa4 58.Kb5 Ta7 59.Kc6 Ta6+ 60.Kd5 Ta1 61.h3 Ta5+ 62.Kc4 Ta4+ 63.Kc5 Ta5+ 64.Kc6 Ta6+ 65.Kd5 Ta5+ 66.Kc4 
8. +-  (1.61): 45...c4 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.e6 Td8 48.Lh7 Kd6 49.Lf5 Tf8 50.g4 hxg3 51.hxg3 Ld1 52.g4 Tg8 53.Th1 Lf3 54.Th3 Lxg4 55.Tg3 Lxf5 56.Txg8 Lxe6 57.Ta8 Ld7 58.Ta5 Le8 59.Kb4 Ld7 60.Ta7 Ke6 61.Kxc4 Le8 62.Kc5 Ld7 63.Tc7 Le8 64.Tg7 Ld7 65.Th7 Le8 
9. +-  (2.28): 45...Tf1 46.Lg8+ Kc6 47.Lxb3 axb3 48.Txh4 Kd5 49.Kxb3 Te1 50.Tg4 Te3+ 51.Kb2 Te2+ 52.Kb1 Txe5 53.a4 c4 54.h4 Te1+ 55.Kc2 Kc5 56.a5 Te2+ 57.Kd1 Ta2 58.h5 Kb4 59.Tg3 Txa5 60.h6 Ta1+ 61.Kc2 Ta2+ 62.Kc1 Ta8 63.h7 Th8 64.Th3 Kc5 65.Kc2 Kd5 66.Kc3 Ke6 67.Kxc4 Kf6 68.Kd5 Kg7 69.Tg3+ Kf6 70.Tf3+ Kg7 

[Milos]

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

You would have lost your half point more than you should have, like Anand did, Dr. Deeb, but he didn't before move 51...

Look here:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... #pid491463

Funny, the 7er tbs- positions after 51...Re2!, aren't they?

If you look at live streaming video, go back to 11:12:50 and you will se how GM Abhijit Kunte says the position with 2 rook pawns is a draw. Black dont need eny more the c5 pawn. He said he has defended similar position on the board.

SO , if it is true at 46...Rg1 black is lost and at 51...Re2 draws, in between rhose moves Carlsen blundered.

PS: live streaming at: http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carls ... ommentary/

Carlsen didn't bluder since even 46..Rg1 is a draw. Load 6-men into SF and let it run till depth 44-45 and you'll see.
51...Ke6 was the big crucial blunder. In 51... only Re2 draws all other move are losing.

[kinderchocolate]

Oh my god, -5.0 for Carlsen!

[JuLieN]

Oh my god, -5.0 for Carlsen!

He found a winning continuation in a position all observers thought was a draw! What an amazing endgames player! I thought it was a draw as well, and I trusted the comments it was a draw, so I feel very impressed right now!

[kinderchocolate]

Jesus, it's -82.97 for Stockfish!