As was discussed in this topic, I'm starting a small tournament for iOS chess programs. I selected 9 programs:
- ChessGenius
- Christophe Théron's Chess
- Deep Green Chess
- Hiarcs Chess HD
- Fritz
- Shredder HD
- Stockfish
- tChess Pro
- Viktor2
And maybe more if someone suggest some.
All the engines will be opposed to all other engines during 4-games long matches running at 30mn/side for the game, on a New iPad (iPad 3?).
The first match opposes HIARCS to Stockfish.
Here's the first game:
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Black "Stockfish iOS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 O-O 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d3 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Re4 Qf5 16.Nd2 Qg6 17.Re1 f5 18.a4 f4 19.Ne4 fxg3 20.fxg3 Bg4 21.Qc2 Bc7 22.axb5 axb5 23.Rxa8 Rxa8 24.d4 h6 25.Nc5 Qh5 26.Nd3 Bf5 27.Bf4 Bxf4 28.Bxd5+ cxd5 29.Nxf4 Bxc2 30.Nxh5 Be4 31.Nf4 Kf7 32.Rd1 Ra2 33.Rd2 g5 34.Nh3 Ra1+ 35.Kf2 Rh1 36.Ke3 Bf5 37.Nf2 Rxh2 38.g4 Be6 39.Rd1 h5 40.gxh5 Rxh5 41.Ra1 g4 42.Rg1 Rh2 43.Nxg4 Bxg4 44.Rxg4 Rxb2 45.Rh4 b4 46.cxb4 Rxb4 47.Rh6 Ke7 48.Ra6 Rb1 49.Rg6 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
Nothing too fancy. Both program played their first out-of-the-book move at the 18th move.
I stopped the game at the 49th move, as both engines were agreeing on a draw score since a few moves.
iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
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iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
The second game is a draw as well. But more interesting. HIARCS was out of the book at move 11, and Stockfish at move 13.
HIARCS decided to exchange three of its pawn for Stockfish's knight but eventually had to exchange it back against two pawns, as Stockfish was menacing to queen a pawn. HIARCS' ending technique prevented Stockfish to get a win out of this material advantage.
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish iOS"]
[Black "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 c6 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 Be7 7.Qc2 g6 8.e3 Bf5
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 O-O 11.O-O Nbd7 12.Rab1 Re8 13.Bf4 Nh5 14.Bh6 Bd6 15.h3 Qe7 16.Rfe1 Ndf6 17.Nd2 Ne4 18.Ncxe4 dxe4 19.Qb3 a5 20.Nc4 a4 21.Qc2 Bc7 22.Red1 Qe6 23.b3 axb3 24.Rxb3 b5 25.Ne5 g5 26.Bxg5 f6 27.Qxc6 Bxe5 28.Qxe6+ Rxe6 29.Bh4 Bc7 30.Rxb5 Ng7 31.Rb7 Re7 32.Rb2 Kf7 33.g4 Ne6 34.Kg2 Rd7 35.Rb7 Nf8 36.Ra1 Ra3 37.Rb3 Ra7 38.Bg3 Bxg3 39.Kxg3 Ne6 40.a4 Ra5 41.Rb5 Rda7 42.Rxa5 Rxa5 43.h4 Kg6 44.Rc1 h5 45.Rc6 Kf7 46.gxh5 Rxh5 47.Ra6 Ng7 48.Kg4 Kg6 49.Ra8 Rf5 50.Kg3 Rf3+ 51.Kg2 Nf5 52.Rg8+ Kh5 53.Rh8+ Nh6 54.a5 Rf5 55.a6 Ra5 56.Ra8 Kxh4 57.a7 Rg5+ 58.Kf1 Rg7 59.Rh8 Rxa7 60.Rxh6+ Kg5 61.Rh8 Ra3 62.Rg8+ Kh4 63.Re8 f5 64.Rf8 Ra1+ 65.Kg2 Kg4 66.Rg8+ Kh4 67.Rg6 Ra5 68.Rh6+ Kg4 69.Rh8 Ra1 70.Rd8 Kh4 71.Rg8 Re1 72.Rh8+ Kg4 73.Ra8 Kg5 74.Ra5 Rc1 75.Rc5 Ra1 76.Re5 Ra8 77.Re6 Ra5 78.Re8 Kg4 79.Rg8+ Kh4 80. Rc8 Ra1 81.Rc7 Ra3 82.Rg7 Ra2 83.Rf7 Ra5 84.Rf8 Kg4 85.Rc8 Ra7 86.Rg8+ Kh4
87.Rf8 Kg4 88.Rb8 Ra5 89.Rb7 Ra2 90.Rf7 Ra1 91.Rg7+ Kh4 92.Rb7 Ra2 93.Rb8 f4 94.Rh8+ Kg5 95.Rg8+ Kh5 96.exf4 e3 97.f5 Rxf2+ 98.Kg3 Rxf5 99.Re8 Kg5 100.Rxe3 Rf1 101.Re5+ Rf5 102.Re7 Rf1 103.Re8 Rd1 104.Rd8 Kf6 105.Kf2 Ke7 106.Rd5 Rd3 107.Ke2 Rh3 108.Re5+ Kd6 109.Ra5 Kc6 110.Kd2 Kd7 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
HIARCS decided to exchange three of its pawn for Stockfish's knight but eventually had to exchange it back against two pawns, as Stockfish was menacing to queen a pawn. HIARCS' ending technique prevented Stockfish to get a win out of this material advantage.
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish iOS"]
[Black "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 c6 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 Be7 7.Qc2 g6 8.e3 Bf5
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 O-O 11.O-O Nbd7 12.Rab1 Re8 13.Bf4 Nh5 14.Bh6 Bd6 15.h3 Qe7 16.Rfe1 Ndf6 17.Nd2 Ne4 18.Ncxe4 dxe4 19.Qb3 a5 20.Nc4 a4 21.Qc2 Bc7 22.Red1 Qe6 23.b3 axb3 24.Rxb3 b5 25.Ne5 g5 26.Bxg5 f6 27.Qxc6 Bxe5 28.Qxe6+ Rxe6 29.Bh4 Bc7 30.Rxb5 Ng7 31.Rb7 Re7 32.Rb2 Kf7 33.g4 Ne6 34.Kg2 Rd7 35.Rb7 Nf8 36.Ra1 Ra3 37.Rb3 Ra7 38.Bg3 Bxg3 39.Kxg3 Ne6 40.a4 Ra5 41.Rb5 Rda7 42.Rxa5 Rxa5 43.h4 Kg6 44.Rc1 h5 45.Rc6 Kf7 46.gxh5 Rxh5 47.Ra6 Ng7 48.Kg4 Kg6 49.Ra8 Rf5 50.Kg3 Rf3+ 51.Kg2 Nf5 52.Rg8+ Kh5 53.Rh8+ Nh6 54.a5 Rf5 55.a6 Ra5 56.Ra8 Kxh4 57.a7 Rg5+ 58.Kf1 Rg7 59.Rh8 Rxa7 60.Rxh6+ Kg5 61.Rh8 Ra3 62.Rg8+ Kh4 63.Re8 f5 64.Rf8 Ra1+ 65.Kg2 Kg4 66.Rg8+ Kh4 67.Rg6 Ra5 68.Rh6+ Kg4 69.Rh8 Ra1 70.Rd8 Kh4 71.Rg8 Re1 72.Rh8+ Kg4 73.Ra8 Kg5 74.Ra5 Rc1 75.Rc5 Ra1 76.Re5 Ra8 77.Re6 Ra5 78.Re8 Kg4 79.Rg8+ Kh4 80. Rc8 Ra1 81.Rc7 Ra3 82.Rg7 Ra2 83.Rf7 Ra5 84.Rf8 Kg4 85.Rc8 Ra7 86.Rg8+ Kh4
87.Rf8 Kg4 88.Rb8 Ra5 89.Rb7 Ra2 90.Rf7 Ra1 91.Rg7+ Kh4 92.Rb7 Ra2 93.Rb8 f4 94.Rh8+ Kg5 95.Rg8+ Kh5 96.exf4 e3 97.f5 Rxf2+ 98.Kg3 Rxf5 99.Re8 Kg5 100.Rxe3 Rf1 101.Re5+ Rf5 102.Re7 Rf1 103.Re8 Rd1 104.Rd8 Kf6 105.Kf2 Ke7 106.Rd5 Rd3 107.Ke2 Rh3 108.Re5+ Kd6 109.Ra5 Kc6 110.Kd2 Kd7 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
Oh great... I chose the perfect moment to runt this match... NOT! Here's what HIARCS' Author, Mark Uniacke, wrote in HIARCS' forum:
Mark Uniacke wrote:The iPad version has significantly better graphics on the iPad.
Both iPhone and iPad versions will have an update appearing this month.
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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
The third game is a gorgeous victory by Stockfish, with black pieces and the very proactive style that is its marque de fabrique (both engines were out of book after white's 6th move):
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Black "Stockfish iOS"]
[Result "0-1"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.c4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.b4 Bg7 5.Bb2 O-O 6.Bg2 d6 7.Qb3 e5 8.d3 a5 9.
c5+ Kh8 10.cxd6 cxd6 11.b5 Nbd7 12.O-O e4 13.Nd4 Nc5 14.Qc2 Bd7 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Qd2 d5 17.Rab1 Qb6 18.Rfd1 Rfd8 19.h3 Be8 20.Qe3 Bf7 21.Kh1 a4 22.a3 Nh5 23.Kg1 Kg8 24.Ba1 exd3 25.Rb4 Re8 26.Qf3 Bxd4 27.Rxd4 dxe2 28.Nxe2 Nb3 29.Rb4 Nxa1 30.Rxa1 Nf6 31.Nc3 Ne4 32.Nxa4 Qf6 33.Ra2 Rc1+ 34.Kh2 Rec8 35. Re2 R8c2 36.Qd3 Nxf2 37.Qxc2 Rxc2 38.Rxc2 Nd3 39.Rb3 Ne1 40.Re2 Nxg2 41. Rxg2 d4 42.Rd3 Bc4 43.Rdd2 Bxb5 44.Nb2 Bc6 45.Rgf2 Qe7 46.Nd3 Qxa3 47.Ne5 Qd6 48.Nd3 b5 49.Rf1 Qa3 50.Rc1 Be4 51.Rc8+ Kf7 52.Nc5 Ke7 53.Nxe4 fxe4 54.Rc7+ Ke6 55.Rb7 e3 56.Re2 b4 57.Rb8 b3 58.Rb6+ Kd5 59.Rb8 Kc4 60.Kg2 Qa7 61.Rd8 Qb7+ 62.Kg1 b2 63.Re1 b1=Q 64.Rxb1 Qxb1+ 65.Kh2 Qb2+ 66.Kg1 Qf2+ 67.Kh1 e2 68.Rc8+ Kd5 69.Rc1 Qf1+ 70.Rxf1 exf1=Q+ 0-1[/pgn]
(Note: HIARCS crashed after Stockfish's 70th move!)
Stockfish played several magnificent moves, like 12. ..., e4; ... 21. ..., a4; ... 24. ..., exd3; ... 28. ..., Nb3; 38 ..., Nd3!!; etc...
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Black "Stockfish iOS"]
[Result "0-1"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.c4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.b4 Bg7 5.Bb2 O-O 6.Bg2 d6 7.Qb3 e5 8.d3 a5 9.
c5+ Kh8 10.cxd6 cxd6 11.b5 Nbd7 12.O-O e4 13.Nd4 Nc5 14.Qc2 Bd7 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Qd2 d5 17.Rab1 Qb6 18.Rfd1 Rfd8 19.h3 Be8 20.Qe3 Bf7 21.Kh1 a4 22.a3 Nh5 23.Kg1 Kg8 24.Ba1 exd3 25.Rb4 Re8 26.Qf3 Bxd4 27.Rxd4 dxe2 28.Nxe2 Nb3 29.Rb4 Nxa1 30.Rxa1 Nf6 31.Nc3 Ne4 32.Nxa4 Qf6 33.Ra2 Rc1+ 34.Kh2 Rec8 35. Re2 R8c2 36.Qd3 Nxf2 37.Qxc2 Rxc2 38.Rxc2 Nd3 39.Rb3 Ne1 40.Re2 Nxg2 41. Rxg2 d4 42.Rd3 Bc4 43.Rdd2 Bxb5 44.Nb2 Bc6 45.Rgf2 Qe7 46.Nd3 Qxa3 47.Ne5 Qd6 48.Nd3 b5 49.Rf1 Qa3 50.Rc1 Be4 51.Rc8+ Kf7 52.Nc5 Ke7 53.Nxe4 fxe4 54.Rc7+ Ke6 55.Rb7 e3 56.Re2 b4 57.Rb8 b3 58.Rb6+ Kd5 59.Rb8 Kc4 60.Kg2 Qa7 61.Rd8 Qb7+ 62.Kg1 b2 63.Re1 b1=Q 64.Rxb1 Qxb1+ 65.Kh2 Qb2+ 66.Kg1 Qf2+ 67.Kh1 e2 68.Rc8+ Kd5 69.Rc1 Qf1+ 70.Rxf1 exf1=Q+ 0-1[/pgn]
(Note: HIARCS crashed after Stockfish's 70th move!)
Stockfish played several magnificent moves, like 12. ..., e4; ... 21. ..., a4; ... 24. ..., exd3; ... 28. ..., Nb3; 38 ..., Nd3!!; etc...
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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
Hi Julien,JuLieN wrote:Oh great... I chose the perfect moment to runt this match... NOT! Here's what HIARCS' Author, Mark Uniacke, wrote in HIARCS' forum:
Mark Uniacke wrote:The iPad version has significantly better graphics on the iPad.
Both iPhone and iPad versions will have an update appearing this month.
Thanks for this interesting initiative

Don't get too upset,no one has control over the regular updates/bugfixes

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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
Thanks Wael!Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Hi Julien,JuLieN wrote:Oh great... I chose the perfect moment to runt this match... NOT! Here's what HIARCS' Author, Mark Uniacke, wrote in HIARCS' forum:
Mark Uniacke wrote:The iPad version has significantly better graphics on the iPad.
Both iPhone and iPad versions will have an update appearing this month.
Thanks for this interesting initiative![]()
Don't get too upset,no one has control over the regular updates/bugfixes![]()
Dr.D


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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
Life is good....JuLieN wrote:Thanks Wael!Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Hi Julien,JuLieN wrote:Oh great... I chose the perfect moment to runt this match... NOT! Here's what HIARCS' Author, Mark Uniacke, wrote in HIARCS' forum:
Mark Uniacke wrote:The iPad version has significantly better graphics on the iPad.
Both iPhone and iPad versions will have an update appearing this month.
Thanks for this interesting initiative![]()
Don't get too upset,no one has control over the regular updates/bugfixes![]()
Dr.DAnd look how beautiful life is: you're just back from the post you wrote to see that there's the 3rd, magnificent, game waiting for you!
LG sends it's regards,
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Re: iOS Tournament - HIARCS vs Stockfisch
The last game is another convincing victory by Stockfish, in a crazy Alapine Sicilian opening. Stockfish wins this short match by +2-0=2 (3-1):
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Stockfish iOS"]
[Black "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Result "1-0"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.d4 e6 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Na3 Nc6 7.Nb5 Qd8 8.dxc5
Bxc5 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Bf4 Ne4 11.Be3 a6 12.O-O-O+ Ke7 13.Nbd4 Nxd4 14.Nxd4 Bd6 15.Be2 Nc5 16.Rhe1 e5 17.Nc2 Ne6 18.Bb6 Nf8 19.Ne3 Be6 20.Nd5+ Bxd5 21.Rxd5 Ne6 22.Red1 Nf4 23.Rxd6 Nxe2+ 24.Kb1 Nd4 25.Bc5 Ne6 26.Rd7+ Kf6 27.Be7+ Kf5 28.Rxb7 f6 29.b3 Rhc8 30.Kb2 a5 31.Rbd7 a4 32.g3 axb3 33.axb3 Ng5 34.Bb4 Ra6 35.Rd8 Rxd8 36.Rxd8 Ke4 37.h4 Ne6 38.Rd2 g5 39.Be7 gxh4 40.gxh4 Kf5 41.b4 Ra7 42.Bd6 Rg7 43.b5 h5 44.c4 Rb7 45.Kc3 Kg4 46.Rb2 Nd4 47.b6 Kxh4 48.f4 Kg4 49.fxe5 fxe5 50.Bxe5 Nc6 51.Bc7 Kf5 52.Rh2 h4 53.Rxh4
Kg5 54.Rh1 Nb8 55.c5 Kg6 56.Kc4 Na6 57.Bd6 Rf7 58.c6 Rf2 (1-0)[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "iOS Match"]
[Site "Nantes, France"]
[Date "2013.01.01"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Stockfish iOS"]
[Black "Hiarcs iOS"]
[Result "1-0"]
[EventDate "2013.01.01"]
1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.d4 e6 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Na3 Nc6 7.Nb5 Qd8 8.dxc5
Bxc5 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Bf4 Ne4 11.Be3 a6 12.O-O-O+ Ke7 13.Nbd4 Nxd4 14.Nxd4 Bd6 15.Be2 Nc5 16.Rhe1 e5 17.Nc2 Ne6 18.Bb6 Nf8 19.Ne3 Be6 20.Nd5+ Bxd5 21.Rxd5 Ne6 22.Red1 Nf4 23.Rxd6 Nxe2+ 24.Kb1 Nd4 25.Bc5 Ne6 26.Rd7+ Kf6 27.Be7+ Kf5 28.Rxb7 f6 29.b3 Rhc8 30.Kb2 a5 31.Rbd7 a4 32.g3 axb3 33.axb3 Ng5 34.Bb4 Ra6 35.Rd8 Rxd8 36.Rxd8 Ke4 37.h4 Ne6 38.Rd2 g5 39.Be7 gxh4 40.gxh4 Kf5 41.b4 Ra7 42.Bd6 Rg7 43.b5 h5 44.c4 Rb7 45.Kc3 Kg4 46.Rb2 Nd4 47.b6 Kxh4 48.f4 Kg4 49.fxe5 fxe5 50.Bxe5 Nc6 51.Bc7 Kf5 52.Rh2 h4 53.Rxh4
Kg5 54.Rh1 Nb8 55.c5 Kg6 56.Kc4 Na6 57.Bd6 Rf7 58.c6 Rf2 (1-0)[/pgn]
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