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[Steve B]

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Steve

[kranium]

From what I read on the net, the Decembrist revolution was about issues specific to Czarist Russia, and hence of no relevance to anyone living today. What on earth does it mean to be a "Decembrist" today? Is it another name for Communist, or something else entirely?
Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.

i only know it in context of Ippolit development:

in October, 2009, when the movement took up lots of steam, the Ippolit guys coined the term 'October revolution'

'Decembrist' was was coined in December 2009, during the culmination of furious Robbolito development on Immortal...
(Robbolito 0.085g3 was released Dec. 31, 2009, and Robbo 0.09 shortly thereafter)

usually people involved are referred to as 'comrades'

it's all direct reference to political uprising against the totalitarian and capitalist 'status quo', which has direct relevence to the CC situation today.

Don indicated he thought it was a 'joke'

well, if so it's a joke that's been running for more than 2.5 years now.
anybody else would have come forward long ago, clearly, they believe deeply in and are firmly committed to this revolutionary 'ideal'...

[mclane]

it means fight against capitalists, in this context capitalistic commercial chess programs such as rybka.

[kranium]

it means fight against capitalists, in this context capitalistic commercial chess programs such as rybka.

yes...

from Wikipedia:

"The October Revolution also known as the Great October Socialist Revolution, Red October, the October Uprising or the Bolshevik Revolution, was a political revolution and a part of the Russian Revolution of 1917."

"The Russian Revolution is the collective term for a series of revolutions in Russia in 1917, which destroyed the Tsarist autocracy and led to the creation of the Soviet Union."

[lkaufman]

Thanks for your answers. I don't see any mention of a statement by the original authors declaring that they consider you to be the official representative of Ippolit. There is a difference between taking someone else's program and developing it further on your own, or with their express permission. If they didn't specifically state that you now represent Ippolit, then anyone can claim to do so with equal authority if they start with Ippolit code. So I'm asking whether there has ever been any statement by the original authors indicating that they prefer to be represented by you (Ivanhoe) rather than by Houdini? I understand why you feel that it should be so, but it's up to the actual authors to decide. Have they ever asked for Ivanhoe to be tested/rated? Maybe they prefer the present situation in which Houdini represents Ippolit on the lists.
As for commercial engines selling to testers, you can't have it both ways. Either you are in favor of their doing so, which is a pro-Capitalist position, or you are opposed, in which you favor free versions to testers.
Regarding the Decembrist name, as I understand it now it is being used as a synonym for Communist, even though the correct term is Octobrist, since "Decembrists" were not anti-Capitalists at all. Is that about right? The use of "Decembrist" suggests you are in favor of restoring a relative of the last Tsar to power in Russia, which I suspect is not the case.

[bob]

3. You should take a look at youtube. You find everything. The music and movie industry are helpless. They have given up on youtube long time ago defeated by volume. These are the days of internet, it has come with new realities.

You sound like it is OK to steal things. It is not. You can request copywritten material be removed from youtube, and they will do it immediately. Copyright holders often persecute these thefts and often win large settlements.

Theft is wrong. You claim to be religious. Exodus 20:1-17 "Thou shall not steal". There is no "new reality". You are just turning a blind eye.

This is the "everybody else is doing it, so I'm doing it too and it should not be considered wrong" defense...

A total crock, of course...

[kranium]

Thanks for your answers. I don't see any mention of a statement by the original authors declaring that they consider you to be the official representative of Ippolit. There is a difference between taking someone else's program and developing it further on your own, or with their express permission. If they didn't specifically state that you now represent Ippolit, then anyone can claim to do so with equal authority if they start with Ippolit code. So I'm asking whether there has ever been any statement by the original authors indicating that they prefer to be represented by you (Ivanhoe) rather than by Houdini? I understand why you feel that it should be so, but it's up to the actual authors to decide. Have they ever asked for Ivanhoe to be tested/rated? Maybe they prefer the present situation in which Houdini represents Ippolit on the lists.

i have no interest in being an official representative of Ippolit...not sure why you think that.
i am simply being very vocal concerning what i see as the arbitrary, hypocritical, and unfair rating lists blacklisting of 'IvanHoe'.

As for commercial engines selling to testers, you can't have it both ways. Either you are in favor of their doing so, which is a pro-Capitalist position, or you are opposed, in which you favor free versions to testers.

there's very good reason why politicians and others in position of power and influence cannot accept 'gifts'...i'm sure i don't need explain

Regarding the Decembrist name, as I understand it now it is being used as a synonym for Communist, even though the correct term is Octobrist, since "Decembrists" were not anti-Capitalists at all. Is that about right? The use of "Decembrist" suggests you are in favor of restoring a relative of the last Tsar to power in Russia, which I suspect is not the case.

The Ippolit authors obviously have a good understanding of Russian history...
they chose the terms/names...i'm ok with that, and not really interested in debating the semantics.

[BubbaTough]

The Ippolit authors obviously have a good understanding of Russian history...

This may be true, but I certainly have not seen any evidence of it. It is certainly high humor to watch people discuss it though.

-Sam

[fern]

"Restoring a relative" hahahaha, good one Larry!!!

Maybe they want to restore Dan Spracklen to the throne, who knows...


Fern

[geots]

[i quite 'naively' assumed that the CCRL (and CEGT/IPON) would behave in a mature professional manner, and would be motivated to test 'all legally available engines' in an objective and unbiased manner...
that means regardless of whether they 'liked' the author, free copies of commercial engines, the color of his skin, the author's history, if he was anonymous', etc., etc.
a very reasonable expectation...

my bad!

In my opinion, it would be quite correct for a testing organization to REFUSE to test a commercial engine that would not supply free copies to test. They should hardly be expected to pay money to help the sales of a commercial engine. I recommend that you drop the complaint about getting free copies, it makes you look silly. You have much better arguments than this one.

Larry, you need to understand that he looks as if he is on an unselfish mission to get RobboLito and IvanHoe tested by CCRL for 1 example. Trust me, he doesn't care if those 2, or Deep Saros/Vitruvius- ever get tested. And I am one who think it might be a good idea to test them. But his idea is if he were to get that done- then it would be hard to make an argument to not also test his engines Fire and Firebird- which is what this whole battle of his is about. As I said, the others might be a good idea that I agree with. But like any other official tester with a brain- even if I tested the other, I would never ever touch Fire or Firebird for any reason. Just be aware none of his motives in this are noble.


Best to one who always has my respect- and always will

george/CCRL