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[AdminX]

Thank you Anthony, I very much enjoyed the read. Good article.

[Sylwy]

So I was convinced by Mark to put my name on the letter

Reference is to Mr HIARCS Uniacke. Can he appear to be Chief of the confed?

If case is so clear on technicals, why his persuasion was necessary?

Rybka has been so dominant for so long

Yes. This is 90% of point.

the guy talking about the confederacy of dunces should take a good look in the mirror

I am good-looking. I see skeptic chessplayer.

I play Zappa, I have not a bad record. But without the permission of its true author/s, I am polite not to publish it.

But I play RYBKA, I get most painful crush if I play for win, else some draws also.

I don't plan on replying

But was not able to resist?

When replying, can you please report decompilation investigation in to how HIARCS gain 200 ELO in very short period? Better, demand source code.

Or is it there is not an investigation to this? Why? Because Mr "Osipov" not bother to reverse engineer weakie, when he has RYBKA for target?

As you can see below, Hiarcs has gained 132 ELO over the course of 4 years. This information is based on release dates and CCRL testing.

So your point of 200 elo in a "short time" is not even remotely valid. Sorry.


Hiarcs 11-released December 6th, 2006-ELO=2879

Hiarcs 12.1-released December 14th, 2008-ELO=2921

Hiarcs 13.2-released December 24th, 2010-ELO=3011


Hiarcs is a great engine and the their customer service is amazing.

Hello !

And how explain you these jumps-please:

versions:
13.1-2950
12.1-2890
11.1-2853

and before Rybka's apparition:

10-2776
9-2711
8 Bareev-2697
8-2659
7.32-2659 ELO points

117 ELO points between versions 7.32-10
174 ELO points between versions 10-13.1

Biblio:
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ra ... liste.html
===================================================
And , from years , was a theory: at upper levels the progress slow down.
===================================================

A lot of commercials are in big progress after Rybka : Deep Sjeng , Hiarcs , Fritzy- my love , Shredder.................not to talk something about the new stars: Critter , Komodo , Stockfish, Gull . Even Spike is in great progress.
For Houdini all is clear : uses ideas from free sources !
Ippo,Robbo,Ivan & Co. were born with the radiation syndrome !

Remember you-please- about the small progress of Shredder years ago !

O tempora , o mores !

S

[Tom Barrister]

I have no doubt some other closed-source engine authors also helped themselves to Fruit and whatever else was available, and some probably do so now with Ippolit (which assumedly is Rybka) and whatever else is available.

Others have honor and don't break the rules.

One programmer being a thief doesn't mean it's okay for another to be a thief. No matter how many fingers are pointed in how many directions, it doesn't make it right for any one person who's cheating.

Courtesy of Google Translate:

Unul programator fiind un hoţ nu înseamnă că este bine pentru un alt să fie un hoţ. Nu contează cât de multe degete sunt arătat în modul în care multe direcţii, nu-l face potrivit pentru orice persoană care e inselat.

Один программист в воровстве, не означает, что это хорошо для другого, чтобы быть вором. Независимо от того, сколько пальцев указаны в том, как много направлений, это не делает это правильно для любого человека, который обманывает.

Un programmeur être un voleur ne veut pas dire qu'il est normal pour une autre d'être un voleur. Peu importe la façon dont les doigts sont pointés en grand nombre le nombre de directions, il ne le rend pas le droit pour toute personne qui est une tricherie.

Un programador de ser un ladrón no significa que está bien para otro de ser un ladrón. No importa cuántos dedos están apuntando en la cantidad de direcciones, no lo hace adecuado para cualquier persona que es hacer trampa.

一个程序员作为一个小偷并不意味着它的另一个好是一个小偷。无论有多少是多少手指的方向指出的问题，它不会使任何一个人适合谁的欺骗它。

Yksi ohjelmoija on varas ei tarkoita sitä kunnossa toinen on varas. Ei ole väliä kuinka monta sormea ​​on todennut, kuinka moneen suuntaan, se ei tee oikein mitään yksi henkilö, joka huijaa.

[Dayffd]

Q: What's the new marketing name for Rybka Cluster?
A: Fish and chips.

LOL!!

[Sylwy]

I have no doubt some other closed-source engine authors also helped themselves to Fruit and whatever else was available, and some probably do so now with Ippolit (which assumedly is Rybka) and whatever else is available.

Others have honor and don't break the rules.

One programmer being a thief doesn't mean it's okay for another to be a thief. No matter how many fingers are pointed in how many directions, it doesn't make it right for any one person who's cheating.

Courtesy of Google Translate:

Unul programator fiind [un hoţ nu înseamnă că este bine pentru un altul să fie [un hoţ]. Nu contează cât de multe degete sunt arătat în [modul în care] mai multe direcţii, nu-l face potrivit pentru orice persoană care e inselata.

Один программист в воровстве, не означает, что это хорошо для другого, чтобы быть вором. Независимо от того, сколько пальцев указаны в том, как много направлений, это не делает это правильно для любого человека, который обманывает.

Un programmeur être un voleur ne veut pas dire qu'il est normal pour une autre d'être un voleur. Peu importe la façon dont les doigts sont pointés en grand nombre le nombre de directions, il ne le rend pas le droit pour toute personne qui est une tricherie.

Un programador de ser un ladrón no significa que está bien para otro de ser un ladrón. No importa cuántos dedos están apuntando en la cantidad de direcciones, no lo hace adecuado para cualquier persona que es hacer trampa.

一个程序员作为一个小偷并不意味着它的另一个好是一个小偷。无论有多少是多少手指的方向指出的问题，它不会使任何一个人适合谁的欺骗它。

Yksi ohjelmoija on varas ei tarkoita sitä kunnossa toinen on varas. Ei ole väliä kuinka monta sormea ​​on todennut, kuinka moneen suuntaan, se ei tee oikein mitään yksi henkilö, joka huijaa.

Blah-blah-blah !
Avoid the question ,blah !

S

[Tom Barrister]

Blah-blah-blah !
Avoid the question ,blah !:

Thanks for bringing that back up.

Which question haven't I answered?

On the other hand, you've avoided my question three times now. This will make it number four.

If Mr. Rajlich is such a great programmer, why can't he fix the bugs in Rybka 4?

[tomgdrums]

Hiarcs has gained 132 ELO over the course of 4 years.

So your point of 200 elo in a "short time" is not even remotely valid.
Sorry.
Hiarcs 11-released December 6th, 2006-ELO=2879
Hiarcs 12.1-released December 14th, 2008-ELO=2921
Hiarcs 13.2-released December 24th, 2010-ELO=3011

So why start from Hiarcs 11, in effect beginning of 2007?

Let us count from Fruit 2.1 release, two years before that.

Then see if you want to contest my "+200".

Sorry.

Hiarcs is a great engine and the their customer service is amazing.

The same applies to RYBKA, and even more so in greatness. This did not stop the assassinations.

Okay, Hiarcs 9 was released in 2004-ELO=2719

Hiarcs 13.2 was released as I said above in 2010-ELO=3011

Just under 300 elo in 6 years. But that is not a short amount of time. So I still don't know what your argument is.

And as a point of order, I do think some people have gotten out of hand in their attacks on Vas. But the Rybka customer service is pretty lame.

[tomgdrums]

So I was convinced by Mark to put my name on the letter

Reference is to Mr HIARCS Uniacke. Can he appear to be Chief of the confed?

If case is so clear on technicals, why his persuasion was necessary?

Rybka has been so dominant for so long

Yes. This is 90% of point.

the guy talking about the confederacy of dunces should take a good look in the mirror

I am good-looking. I see skeptic chessplayer.

I play Zappa, I have not a bad record. But without the permission of its true author/s, I am polite not to publish it.

But I play RYBKA, I get most painful crush if I play for win, else some draws also.

I don't plan on replying

But was not able to resist?

When replying, can you please report decompilation investigation in to how HIARCS gain 200 ELO in very short period? Better, demand source code.

Or is it there is not an investigation to this? Why? Because Mr "Osipov" not bother to reverse engineer weakie, when he has RYBKA for target?

As you can see below, Hiarcs has gained 132 ELO over the course of 4 years. This information is based on release dates and CCRL testing.

So your point of 200 elo in a "short time" is not even remotely valid. Sorry.


Hiarcs 11-released December 6th, 2006-ELO=2879

Hiarcs 12.1-released December 14th, 2008-ELO=2921

Hiarcs 13.2-released December 24th, 2010-ELO=3011


Hiarcs is a great engine and the their customer service is amazing.

Hello !

And how explain you these jumps-please:

versions:
13.1-2950
12.1-2890
11.1-2853

and before Rybka's apparition:

10-2776
9-2711
8 Bareev-2697
8-2659
7.32-2659 ELO points

117 ELO points between versions 7.32-10
174 ELO points between versions 10-13.1

Biblio:
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ra ... liste.html
===================================================
And , from years , was a theory: at upper levels the progress slow down.
===================================================

A lot of commercials are in big progress after Rybka : Deep Sjeng , Hiarcs , Fritzy- my love , Shredder.................not to talk something about the new stars: Critter , Komodo , Stockfish, Gull . Even Spike is in great progress.
For Houdini all is clear : uses ideas from free sources !
Ippo,Robbo,Ivan & Co. were born with the radiation syndrome !

Remember you-please- about the small progress of Shredder years ago !

O tempora , o mores !

S

Actually your numbers make the ELO increase of Hiarcs look pretty consistent over time.

[Sylwy]

Blah-blah-blah !
Avoid the question ,blah !:

Which question haven't I answered?

Well , my question ( in this thread) was about the big jump in ELO points of Hiarcs , the commercial army & the top free engines- after Rybka publication.

And , OK , I think Mr.Rajlich aren't too interested in his no. 4 version. The cluster version monopolised him.

Silvian

[Michael Diosi]

Hi,


You may ask the other companies, I asked ChessBase and got no answer... also they didn't answer an earlier entire interview:

1) Is it still possible to import games with pawns on 1st/8th rank and other illegal positions into your program and let the engines analyse them ?
2) Is it now possible to display games longer than 270 moves ?
3) The old ChessBase database format has been decrypted, is this also
possible for the new database format in your opinion ?
4) Do you think it is possible to decrypt the native engine protocol so one
could use those engines in the interface of ones choice ?
5) How about hiring some competent beta testers so such bugs do not get
through to the end user ?
6) Are the sysops on the ChessBase server as competent as the beta testers ?
9) If Rybka is a lousy program, as stated by one of your sysops, why do you sell lousy programs ?
10) Why do you need snippets of the users hardware ? Are you moving towards total control ?
11) Can you tell us why Stefan Meye Kahlen, Amir Ban, Chirly Donninger left ChessBase ?
12) Why do you promote Monte-Carlo methods as something new when those are beeing used for instance in the game of GO for many years now ?
13) Do they work at all for chess ?
14) If you say that your anti-cheating software is reliable why don't you
prove this releasing reliable chess software ?
15) Why do you send review copies only to people and magzines who write positive reviews ? Do you pay them and are those magazines dependent on advertising payings from your company ?
16) Why doesn't your software have full DGT support and why has the support for TASC, UCB, Mephisto Board and the RS232 board been stopted ?
17) Rybka, now a ChessBase program is goint to participate at the WCCC in Beijing, what do you think about promoting such an event regarding the human rights situation in China ?
18) Do you see any pararllel bewtween the above issue and people beeing banned from your server because of mentioning bugs or stating their opinion ?
19) One has the feeling your are selling completly untested programs and
throw them on the market just at the same time as the Convekta company, is this true ?
20) How long do you think yor company will be on the market when selling such products and behaving like it does towards paying customers ?

Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com