Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
AdminX wrote:Who do you prefer here?
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Surely White has much the better of this position? Both rooks dominating the open file and blacks Bishops sidelined?

Not that I'm much of a chess player of course.
You're right and the Ne3 move destroyed the last chance for black to at least equalize the game....personaly I prefer white's position too....
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Topalov likes to play out from an aggressive, complicated and sacrifice-ridden chess.

Someone should recommend him Bright/Spark engine. :)
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
AdminX wrote:Who do you prefer here?
[d]3rr1k1/bb3ppp/pp2pn2/3nN3/3p4/P2N2P1/P1RBPPBP/2R3K1 w - - 0 21


Surely White has much the better of this position? Both rooks dominating the open file and blacks Bishops sidelined?

Not that I'm much of a chess player of course.
You're right and the Ne3 move destroyed the last chance for black to at least equalize the game....personaly I prefer white's position too....
Dr.D
As GM Anish Giri States: "I think Topalov got tired of making moves without any idea. He wanted to force things. However there was another way... 25... Ng4 Fits perfectly with h5. If Topalov could have played it, I would have to give h5 an exclamation mark!"

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The idea being 23. Bf3 e5!
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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swami wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
AdminX wrote:Who do you prefer here?
[d]3rr1k1/bb3ppp/pp2pn2/3nN3/3p4/P2N2P1/P1RBPPBP/2R3K1 w - - 0 21


Surely White has much the better of this position? Both rooks dominating the open file and blacks Bishops sidelined?

Not that I'm much of a chess player of course.
You're right and the Ne3 move destroyed the last chance for black to at least equalize the game....personaly I prefer white's position too....
Dr.D
Topalov likes to play out from an aggressive, complicated and sacrifice-ridden chess.

Someone should recommend him Bright/Spark engine. :)
Way too aggressive I'd say his mave was....I've defeated a lot of engines rated over 2200 with moves like these in similar positions....heavy exchanges of the pieces,moving toward an endgame with the e3 pawn secured for the whte to take it....
I'm realy still surprised about Topalov's move Ne3....it's an obvious positional blunder :!:
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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AdminX wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
rlsuth wrote:
AdminX wrote:Who do you prefer here?
[d]3rr1k1/bb3ppp/pp2pn2/3nN3/3p4/P2N2P1/P1RBPPBP/2R3K1 w - - 0 21


Surely White has much the better of this position? Both rooks dominating the open file and blacks Bishops sidelined?

Not that I'm much of a chess player of course.
You're right and the Ne3 move destroyed the last chance for black to at least equalize the game....personaly I prefer white's position too....
Dr.D
As GM Anish Giri States: "I think Topalov got tired of making moves without any idea. He wanted to force things. However there was another way... 25... Ng4 Fits perfectly with h5. If Topalov could have played it, I would have to give h5 an exclamation mark!"

[d]1b1rr1k1/5pp1/1pR1p3/p2n3p/P1Rp1Pn1/3N2P1/P2BP1BP/6K1 w - - 0 26
The idea being 23. Bf3 e5!
I agree with his analysis,never the less,I still prefer white's position....
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Should be an interesting match judging from the first two games. :)
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Graham Banks wrote:Should be an interesting match judging from the first two games. :)
Yes, I hope so. All I want to see is a good fight! :D
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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Graham Banks wrote:Should be an interesting match judging from the first two games. :)
I totaly agree....
In the first game Anand blundered tacticaly,in the second game Topalov blundered positionaly....it looks like is an enormous stress is hanging out there....
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P.S.Unfortunately,I'm extremely busy now until the end of june with studying/research project and work and thus won't be able to 100% enjoy the games :cry:
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 2

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Actually I think Anand's victory in this game was mainly psychological (without denying at all Anand's genius, of course). First, because he choose the Catalan: Topalov is known to have difficulties in this opening, proved in the match against Kramnik. Second, looking at this game, Anand constructed around a game between Gulko and Shabalov and the novelty he brought is questionable. After 15. Qa3?! the exchange simply added headaches for white (if recapturing with the knight, white exiles the knight at the edge of the board, losing the control over d6, while after he captured with the pawn as in the game, the pawn structure becomes deteriorated, which added to the sacrificed pawn).
But from this point on Topalov imagined a plan to directly attack the white king. 16...N7f6 was weaker than 16...Nc5! that would have strengthened black's position in the center (also proving 15. Qa3?! incorrect). Anand seized this possibility to improve the position with the immediate 17. Nce5!?, when black has increasing problems linked to the development of the pieces stuck on the queen's side. He also remembered the game 1 when he should have used file c to maintain attacking chances and doubled his rooks.
Now the second psychological shock: 21. f4!?. Mainly we can criticize this move a lot based on the weakening of the squares around the white king. But, given the isolation of black's bishops, this weakening is not that bad; meanwhile, e5 is firmly held and Anand simply invites Topalov to increase the speed of the attack. I must admit Anand played a lot with fire, but it worked!!! After the fixation of the queen's side, white puts a rook on c6, showing clear aggressiveness... but at this moment Topalov simply thought his attack is faster than the defense. That is why 24...h5?! is clearly worse than 24...e5! 25. fe Be5 26. Bf3 Bb8! and now white's weaknesses are quite unpleasant (white is not at all lost, but has to defend fiercely).
And now we reach the moment of the blunder. Anish Giri pointed out the possibility 25...Ng4!? in order to reconfigure the black's king side, followed by ...Nge3 with a nasty pressure. Even 25...h4 was better, when black simply blows away the white pawns.
After 25...Ne3? black still had to simplify the position as much as possible. However, black continued the attack until move 34, when he faces two extremely dangerous passers. At this moment panic installs. Susan Polgar points out a longer line: 34...Nd5 35.Bxd5 Rxe2+ 36.Kf3 Rxh2 37.Kxe3 Rxd5 38.Rxd5 exd5 39.a5 Ra2 40.a6 Bxa3 that leads also to an inferior position, but with a longer resistance. So white makes the second blunder, mainly due to the panic: 34...Ra2? After this the position is lost. 35. Nb4! locks the position as such.