Ivan The Terrible

[kingliveson]

If you add a score to your subject line we won't have to count up the wins losses and draws ourselves.

We're a lazy lot, you know.

Not enough games in this time control, but since you asked...IvanHoe +44

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     Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 IvanHoe 9.70b x64              :   22  127 124    16    56.2 %    -22   50.0 %
  2 Rybka 3                        :  -22  124 127    16    43.8 %     22   50.0 %

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1 IvanHoe 9.70b x64         :   22   16 (+  5,=  8,-  3), 56.2 %

Rybka 3                       :  16 (+  5,=  8,-  3), 56.2 %

2 Rybka 3                   :  -22   16 (+  3,=  8,-  5), 43.8 %

IvanHoe 9.70b x64             :  16 (+  3,=  8,-  5), 43.8 %

[yanquis1972]

sorry if i missed it, but what is the TC franklin?

[kingliveson]

sorry if i missed it, but what is the TC franklin?

Normally I add the time control as part of the event name.

[Event "Rybka vs IvanHoe 40+0"]
[Site "WIN7-D100"]
[Date "2010.01.28"]
[Round "16"]
[White "IvanHoe 9.70b x64"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B20"]
[Annotator "0.16;0.06"]
[PlyCount "214"]
[TimeControl "2400"]

[yanquis1972]

just my personal preference, but i preferr increments, provided IH has the knowledge to manage them properly (i believe it does, though maybe not as well as rybka). this avoids time scrabbles which will favor the faster engine (ivanhoe) & gives a better idea of strength from an analysis perspective.

[kingliveson]

just my personal preference, but i preferr increments, provided IH has the knowledge to manage them properly (i believe it does, though maybe not as well as rybka). this avoids time scrabbles which will favor the faster engine (ivanhoe) & gives a better idea of strength from an analysis perspective.

IvanHoe Time Management needs more work, it does not manage time as well as Rybka at all. And I believe it accounts for many losses it has in long time controls. It's a work in progress...just a matter of time.

[yanquis1972]

rybka has probably the best time management of any engine i've yet seen, however. this seems to have only improved w/ rybka 4 based on the cluster games posted. she manages time very much as a human would, giving many minutes to complex positions and making up for it by taking little time on simple ones. not sure how vas does it.

i agree though that, from my own experience with the engines, with proper clock management ivanhoe should be stronger on anything 40/40 or less. this is unless i am underestimating its supposed lack of knowledge wrt R3, which i've not actually seen demonstrated concretely in terms of positions.

[perejaslav]

Some Long Time Control Games:

Did you uncheck «AlwaysAnalyse» checkbox
The fact is that IvanHoe 70b has this option enabled by default - this was made for analysis purposes not for engines play

[kingliveson]

Some Long Time Control Games:

Did you uncheck «AlwaysAnalyse» checkbox
The fact is that IvanHoe 70b has this option enabled by default - this was made for analysis purposes not for engines play

By default it is unchecked, but I checked it. I will run some more tournaments.

[kingliveson]

Ivan The Terrible: Rybka vs IvanHoe 1+0

Elostat: IvanHoe +92
Bayesian: IvanHoe +76

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    Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64              :   46   70  68    50    63.0 %    -46   50.0 %
  2 Rybka 3                        :  -46   68  70    50    37.0 %     46   50.0 %

The matches use KLOECOA00E97V test suite.

-25 positions with switched colors
-ponder off
-no egtb
-128 mb hash
-AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 GHz
-Engines use 4 cores

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Individual statistics:

1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64         :   46   50 (+ 19,= 25,-  6), 63.0 %

Rybka 3                       :  50 (+ 19,= 25,-  6), 63.0 %

2 Rybka 3                   :  -46   50 (+  6,= 25,- 19), 37.0 %

IvanHoe 9.67b x64             :  50 (+  6,= 25,- 19), 37.0 %

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Games        :     50 (finished)

White Wins   :     16 (32.0 %)
Black Wins   :      9 (18.0 %)
Draws        :     25 (50.0 %)
Unfinished   :      0

White Perf.  : 57.0 %
Black Perf.  : 43.0 %

ECO A =      6 Games (12.0 %)
ECO B =     18 Games (36.0 %)
ECO C =     10 Games (20.0 %)
ECO D =      7 Games (14.0 %)
ECO E =      9 Games (18.0 %)

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Bayesian Elo Rating:

Rank Name                Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws
   1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64    38   38   37    50   63%   -38   50%
   2 Rybka 3             -38   37   38    50   37%    38   50%

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[kingliveson]

Ivan The Terrible: Rybka vs IvanHoe 3+0

Elostat: IvanHoe +64
Bayesian: IvanHoe +46

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    Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

  1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64              :   32   64  62    50    59.0 %    -32   58.0 %
  2 Rybka 3                        :  -32   62  64    50    41.0 %     32   58.0 %

The matches use KLOECOA00E97V test suite.

-25 positions with switched colors
-ponder off
-TableBases 3-4-5 (Nalimov & RobboBases)
-256 mb hash
-AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 GHz
-Engines use 4 cores

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Individual statistics:

1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64         :   32   50 (+ 15,= 29,-  6), 59.0 %

Rybka 3                       :  50 (+ 15,= 29,-  6), 59.0 %

2 Rybka 3                   :  -32   50 (+  6,= 29,- 15), 41.0 %

IvanHoe 9.67b x64             :  50 (+  6,= 29,- 15), 41.0 %

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Games        :     50 (finished)

White Wins   :     10 (20.0 %)
Black Wins   :     11 (22.0 %)
Draws        :     29 (58.0 %)
Unfinished   :      0

White Perf.  : 49.0 %
Black Perf.  : 51.0 %

ECO A =      7 Games (14.0 %)
ECO B =     18 Games (36.0 %)
ECO C =     10 Games (20.0 %)
ECO D =      8 Games (16.0 %)
ECO E =      7 Games (14.0 

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Rank Name                Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws
   1 IvanHoe 9.67b x64    23   37   36    50   59%   -23   58%
   2 Rybka 3             -23   36   37    50   41%    23   58%

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