Komodo - Rybka in Danger?

[bob]

There is no "public domain". If you copy _anything_ without credit, that is plagiarism. _anything_. Things like piece/square table values and such are not what one would normally consider "public domain" not that anyone seems to care about the distinction.

Ok, fine, but only Vas is a liar and has unethical manners and a bad moral education. That is what is shocking me, because what we have here is a private lynching (well, internet flames and such) now already for several years. -- Why?

Why not? I'm not the one that keeps bringing up these topics. You'll have to ask them.

[bob]

It's not really like that. The issue is the underlying message that Vas is some of kind of lying fraud. Nobody want to talk directly about what is really being implied here, and instead wants to take little jabs and imply that Vas must be guilty of something because he is afraid to aggressively go after the cloners. He must be hiding something - he must be afraid or otherwise he would do that because we think he should. It's a government cover-up!

__He definitely falls into this category

I'm not speaking to those who really want to know the facts, which have already been clearly presented - I'm speaking to those who seem to have a need to dismiss or ignore the facts.

__What facts are you talking about,we haven't hear or say anything yet

I would also like to say that I don't know how I got sucked into this. I personally don't really care that much on a personal level there is nothing at stake for me - it's just that my own personal sense of justice is offended when I see someone get ripped off like Vas was, and this is followed up by character assassination cleverly disguised as concern for his well being.

__Vasik has drown himself into a moral cesspoll by lying to the clients and fans of Rybka by not releasing the Rybka 3+ and yes I am making my point for the 10 000 time already because I have the rihgt to recieve Rybka 3+ as an honest customer paid for his piece of software....

Vas may very well believe the code is stolen from him. Maybe he has very good reason to believe that. The nothing more than cursory investigations reported in this forum have yielded suspicions, but there frankly are too many questions. Maybe he jumped the gun. Maybe not.

It is reasonable and expected for people to protect their property. Did you know that?

I hope Vas will make his case. He has waited WAY TOO LONG. I have never seen a software company respond to stolen source like Rybka has.

Here's the typical thing to do. You go issue a press release and announce that your proprietary source code has been illegally pirated. You make a big deal about. If you do not want to show proof just then, because you may be doing further investigation, then you definitely want to announce that you have investigators (working with the police, etc.) vigorously investigating the matter to bring the thieves to justice.

To say the least Rybka is public relations disaster.

What would you say about Debb? Is he guilty of dirty allegations and would it help if we knew his real name? Could Vas make a case against Debb? Could you clarify his identity, name and address? I want to see if I can help in this case. Thanks.

Here's a question to ask... "Did the 'authors' of IPPOLIT and ROBOLITO disassemble Rybka 3, go over the source forward and backward, and 'take many things from it' or did they outright copy it?" Does that sound a little familiar???

[Rolf]

It's not really like that. The issue is the underlying message that Vas is some of kind of lying fraud. Nobody want to talk directly about what is really being implied here, and instead wants to take little jabs and imply that Vas must be guilty of something because he is afraid to aggressively go after the cloners. He must be hiding something - he must be afraid or otherwise he would do that because we think he should. It's a government cover-up!

__He definitely falls into this category

I'm not speaking to those who really want to know the facts, which have already been clearly presented - I'm speaking to those who seem to have a need to dismiss or ignore the facts.

__What facts are you talking about,we haven't hear or say anything yet

I would also like to say that I don't know how I got sucked into this. I personally don't really care that much on a personal level there is nothing at stake for me - it's just that my own personal sense of justice is offended when I see someone get ripped off like Vas was, and this is followed up by character assassination cleverly disguised as concern for his well being.

__Vasik has drown himself into a moral cesspoll by lying to the clients and fans of Rybka by not releasing the Rybka 3+ and yes I am making my point for the 10 000 time already because I have the rihgt to recieve Rybka 3+ as an honest customer paid for his piece of software....

Vas may very well believe the code is stolen from him. Maybe he has very good reason to believe that. The nothing more than cursory investigations reported in this forum have yielded suspicions, but there frankly are too many questions. Maybe he jumped the gun. Maybe not.

It is reasonable and expected for people to protect their property. Did you know that?

I hope Vas will make his case. He has waited WAY TOO LONG. I have never seen a software company respond to stolen source like Rybka has.

Here's the typical thing to do. You go issue a press release and announce that your proprietary source code has been illegally pirated. You make a big deal about. If you do not want to show proof just then, because you may be doing further investigation, then you definitely want to announce that you have investigators (working with the police, etc.) vigorously investigating the matter to bring the thieves to justice.

To say the least Rybka is public relations disaster.

What would you say about Debb? Is he guilty of dirty allegations and would it help if we knew his real name? Could Vas make a case against Debb? Could you clarify his identity, name and address? I want to see if I can help in this case. Thanks.

Here's a question to ask... "Did the 'authors' of IPPOLIT and ROBOLITO disassemble Rybka 3, go over the source forward and backward, and 'take many things from it' or did they outright copy it?" Does that sound a little familiar???

In my eyes the "clones" under anon authorship were always made to intend a smear against Vas in the line you just described "didnt Vas do the same as these/we now??"

Vas is happy with his new project of online chess analyses institution for the many chessplayers, either professionals or amateurs. Americans and Russians.

*GENS UNA SUMUS*

[bob]

The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

Then you obviously don't know me very well.

Evidence in your previous post suggests otherwise.

[bob]

If that is _your_ definition of "personal attack" you _really_ have no business being a moderator. The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

I disagree. Dr. Wael Deeb has issued a large number of posts whose main point is to insult Vas, because he is angry about the patch issue. If the main point is to insult, it is a "personal attack" in my opinion, and does not belong here. It is fine to complain about no patch (preferably only within threads where the topic is relevant) but saying someone "should shut their big fat mouth" or "is a jerk" or whatever does not belong here. Just because it does not offend me personally to be called names, does not make it appropriate for others to be subjected to such things.

-Sam

What are you talking about? Graham's reply was _not_ to Deeb. Just follow back up to my previous post, then find the one right before it from Graham, and then the one before that...

[Graham Banks]

The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

Then you obviously don't know me very well.

Evidence in your previous post suggests otherwise.

Despite our difference in opinion over the Ippo issue, one thing that Matthias, Swami and myself all agree on is that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Discussions should remain respectful.

[parrish]

The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

Then you obviously don't know me very well.

Evidence in your previous post suggests otherwise.

Despite our difference in opinion over the Ippo issue, one thing that Matthias, Swami and myself all agree on is that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Discussions should remain respectful.

I consider you Graham, and Bob, both to be gentlemen with the highest ethical standards, who happen to unfortunately be on opposite sides of a very heated debate. Please don't allow that to cause either of you to impugn the character or dignity of each other.

[bob]

The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

Then you obviously don't know me very well.

Evidence in your previous post suggests otherwise.

Despite our difference in opinion over the Ippo issue, one thing that Matthias, Swami and myself all agree on is that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Discussions should remain respectful.

Now if you can just learn to recognize a personal attack, that will be fine. The post you replied to had none, however.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

It's not really like that. The issue is the underlying message that Vas is some of kind of lying fraud. Nobody want to talk directly about what is really being implied here, and instead wants to take little jabs and imply that Vas must be guilty of something because he is afraid to aggressively go after the cloners. He must be hiding something - he must be afraid or otherwise he would do that because we think he should. It's a government cover-up!

__He definitely falls into this category

I'm not speaking to those who really want to know the facts, which have already been clearly presented - I'm speaking to those who seem to have a need to dismiss or ignore the facts.

__What facts are you talking about,we haven't hear or say anything yet

I would also like to say that I don't know how I got sucked into this. I personally don't really care that much on a personal level there is nothing at stake for me - it's just that my own personal sense of justice is offended when I see someone get ripped off like Vas was, and this is followed up by character assassination cleverly disguised as concern for his well being.

__Vasik has drown himself into a moral cesspoll by lying to the clients and fans of Rybka by not releasing the Rybka 3+ and yes I am making my point for the 10 000 time already because I have the rihgt to recieve Rybka 3+ as an honest customer paid for his piece of software....

Vas may very well believe the code is stolen from him. Maybe he has very good reason to believe that. The nothing more than cursory investigations reported in this forum have yielded suspicions, but there frankly are too many questions. Maybe he jumped the gun. Maybe not.

It is reasonable and expected for people to protect their property. Did you know that?

I hope Vas will make his case. He has waited WAY TOO LONG. I have never seen a software company respond to stolen source like Rybka has.

Here's the typical thing to do. You go issue a press release and announce that your proprietary source code has been illegally pirated. You make a big deal about. If you do not want to show proof just then, because you may be doing further investigation, then you definitely want to announce that you have investigators (working with the police, etc.) vigorously investigating the matter to bring the thieves to justice.

To say the least Rybka is public relations disaster.

What would you say about Debb? Is he guilty of dirty allegations and would it help if we knew his real name? Could Vas make a case against Debb? Could you clarify his identity, name and address? I want to see if I can help in this case. Thanks.

Here's a question to ask... "Did the 'authors' of IPPOLIT and ROBOLITO disassemble Rybka 3, go over the source forward and backward, and 'take many things from it' or did they outright copy it?" Does that sound a little familiar???

In my eyes the "clones" under anon authorship were always made to intend a smear against Vas in the line you just described "didnt Vas do the same as these/we now??"

Vas is happy with his new project of online chess analyses institution for the many chessplayers, either professionals or amateurs. Americans and Russians.

*GENS UNA SUMUS*

Again a cheap attempt for an advertisement of a commercial chess project which is a clear violation of the charter.....your post has been reported....
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

The only conclusion I could draw from that would be that anything you disagree with would be a "personal attack" somehow.

Then you obviously don't know me very well.

Evidence in your previous post suggests otherwise.

Despite our difference in opinion over the Ippo issue, one thing that Matthias, Swami and myself all agree on is that personal attacks will not be tolerated.
Discussions should remain respectful.

Now if you can just learn to recognize a personal attack, that will be fine. The post you replied to had none, however.

And on the other hand Bob,two posts with clear personal attacks toward me are still here despite that I made a complain....meanwhile Graham has removed several posts of mine immediately with no questions asked....
I'll report the 2 posts again and if no action is taken,I'll seek other measures as it seems that the IPPO/ROBBO conflict has enormous influence on the decisions being made....
Dr.D