slobo wrote:kingliveson wrote:Alexander Schmidt wrote:Steve B wrote:Membership is free there
any statements Vas made about this will be there and not here
I registered and searched for posts by VR containing the keyword "Ippolit", "Robbo" or "Robo".
No matches. Not surprising because the name is banned there.
No posts by VR in the Ippo thread mentioned on the sticky message.
No Thread about that clone engines ín the Forum.
So please would someone be so kind to point me to VR's statement?
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=12995
By Vasik Rajlich Date 2009-10-21 08:20
There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email.
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What does it mean?
It means that Vasik Rajlich received an e-mail from Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin, or Igor Igorovich Igoronov, or Roberto Pescatore, or from all three of them.
Now, Rolf, Vasik´s spokesman, should publish here that e-mail, in a form of a PrintScreen copy, and we´ll know if that man was telling a truth or was lieing.
I agree with Alex Schuhmacher, that the importance of the basics that someone is innocent until proven guilty is a very high value.
In such difficult events like what Vas has said as far as the quote goes, the blackmail as background against Vasik is the top story. To question the whole story by simply insinuating that the possibility existed that Vass told the truth OR perhaps did lie, such a question in itself is character assassination, because we have absolutely no reason to believe that Vas ever lied to us. There the German saying one must never conclude from one's own character defects on other people, and that not publicly above all because that makes oneself looking strange and vicious. Because the intention to do harm to honest members of a social group is all too apparent.
That having said there is still something interesting to add. For me as a scientist. But that is only science as far as the reasoning is concerned. The rational thinking. But we are talking here about something that touches sports competition, business interests and justice in a clear case of blackmail, that can be accepted as absolutely true.
Now to the add from my side as scientist. If I as a sportsman, businessman and educated man of science are suddenly and then for the second time already after the Osipov case with Strelka, confrontated with blackmail I have several decisions at hand.
1) take a lawyer and insicate the blackmail to the police
(that would probably be in vain because the blackmail is contructed so that no real identity could be proven and above all the crime was executed in a country or region where our law has no impact, so that is a demonstration but not a serious move)
2) give in to the blackmail and offer money or whatever to the mafia (I think nobody would do that unneccessarily)
3) make a public decleration of such a sort that my social group understands the serious thread without I were forced to make a public case with all the data etc. because that would be a good laugh for the blackmailers who need further datas to increase the damages out of their crime
(I would do this too, and I want to add that in such a case of a suspending continual crime with anonymous criminals, I am NOT forced to reveil the whole truth and nothing but the truth, because I wanted to get support and a public reaction against these criminals, so that all honest people will help me with all they had)
Here it's interesting to point out that the CCC is by far interested in any support of Vas and in any discrimination of the anonympous criminals. Here in CCC it's the contrary. Here people are arguing that these crimes are practically justified in case of Vasik because he did never speak in openess, he never came to CCC and begged for help, and overall some here in CCC are convinced, however without anything near to a fair trial, that Vas cheated with his first version of Rybka and probably also the next versions.
So in such a situation for some time now the whole CCC with its main persons is under observation for any contacts they could have with the mafia/terrorists against Vas.
It's way too early to make any conclusions. The case is open, unsolved and further a pain for the whole community of computerchess.
I hope that now some critics have understood, that the naive question if Vas told the truth with his mention of the blackmail email is premature because this is a whole crime case and in such cases the police has a word in the question how to handle the publicity of certain informations.
It's clear that the business financial damages are already to be calculated by the postponed appearance of RYBKA 4. So, this is absolutely clear. The case will cost these anonymous guys their existence. Depends now what they have for a standing in their society. It depends if they are sane or all sitting in a mental institution. It depends if they have jobs or are highly qualifies workless people on welfare basis. It depends how far their living is dominated by friends or family members who could pay for the damages. But all that will be solved and made public. No need to prematurely invent fairy tales or further diffamations of Vas.
Thanks for your interest in reading my little survey. -Rolf
It's clear that this is my personal view on things and nothing more.
