Depends on who (against who) is playing the position with a P plus. So far the sac seems correct IMO. To remain in our little debate. Of course you could now tune a program so that it sacs the B and then later you must only give a signal that now it's back to normal play again! Just kidding.ernest wrote:Shredder 11 also doesn't find 1.Bxh7+!Uri wrote:Here Shredder 10 doesn't find 1.Bxh7+! Kxh7 2.Ng5+ Kg8 3.Qh5 Nf6 4.Qh4 Re8 5.Be5 Qe7 6.Re3 Bd8 7.Rh3 Kf8 8.Qh8+ Ng8 9.Bxg7#
Link:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/aac.txt
but it suggests 4. ...e5 instead of ...Re8
Is it still a win?
How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
Hello!Uri wrote:Here's a good game i found which uses anti-computer chess:
[White "Eduard Nemeth"]
[Black "Fritz 8"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C24"]
1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.a3 Nc6 5.g3 Nxe4 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qh5+ Ke6 8. Qg4+ Kd5 9. f3 Nd6 10. c4+ Kxc4 11.b3+ Kxb3 12. Bg5 Qe8+ 13. Ne2 Kb2 14. Nbc3 Kxa1 15. Kd2+ Kb2 16. Rb1+ Kxa3 17.Ke1 Qxe2+ 18. Kxe2 Nc4 19. Bc1+ Nb2 20. Rxb2 dxc3 21. Rb4+ Ka2 22. Qc4+ Ka1 23. Qxc3+ Ka2 24. Qb2# 1-0
In this position Shredder 10 doesn't see Bxf7!
[d]r1bqkb1r/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/2Bpn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - 0 6
Links:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adam.bozon/computers.htm
http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/
http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/honor.htm
In the years 2000 and 2001, I played a lot of games against computers(Fritz and Shredder). First I played as a privately, but if Playchess is came, I played on playchess. Many people believed that my games are not real. I have therefore on playchess proved that my games are authentic and without takebacks!
My first trip to the new (Beta) Fritz 7 Server, I played against Fritz 5.32, and Frederic Friedel was kibitzing this game! I won it. Later I played for example those games like these:
[Event "Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s"]
[Site "Playchess.com"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wolkenlos (Eduard Nemeth, Human only)"]
[Black "Yoshida, Fritz 6"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B21"]
[PlyCount "61"]
[EventDate "2001.??.??"]
1. e4 {2} c5 {0} 2. d4 {2} cxd4 {0} 3. h3 {2} Nc6 {9} 4. Bc4 {18} Nf6 {16} 5.
Na3 {1} Nxe4 {11} 6. Bxf7+ {1} Kxf7 {0} 7. Qh5+ {1} Ke6 {5} 8. Qg4+ {1} Kd5 {13
} 9. c4+ {1} dxc3 {4} 10. f3 {1} Nd6 {6} 11. Ne2 {5} Ke5 {0} 12. Bg5 {2} h5 {18
} 13. f4+ {1} Kd5 {7} 14. Nxc3+ {3} Kc5 {8} 15. Qe2 {13} Kb6 {0} 16. Nd5+ {2}
Ka5 {5} 17. b4+ {4} Nxb4 {6} 18. Qd2 {1} b5 {8} 19. Qxb4+ {3} Ka6 {0} 20. Rc1 {
3} Bb7 {10} 21. Nc7+ {1} Qxc7 {2} 22. Rxc7 {1} Rc8 {5} 23. Rxc8 {3} Bxc8 {0}
24. O-O {5} Bb7 {0} 25. Rd1 {3} Bc6 {6} 26. Rxd6 {6} Kb7 {3} 27. Bxe7 {9} Bxe7
{3} 28. Rxd7+ {1} Bxd7 {4} 29. Qxe7 {1} Kc8 {2} 30. Qc5+ {1} Kd8 {1} 31. Nxb5 {
Yoshida rinde 1} 1-0
The programmers of Fritz and Shredder saw my games, and implemented anti-human codes, such as an Anti-Trojan code (In Shredder and in Fritz he has been in it - yes in Fritz too!).
Your presented game I played against Internal Verson Fritz 8.005, here my original notation:
[Event "Blitz:5'"]
[Site "My Town"]
[Date "2003.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eduard"]
[Black "Fritz 8.005"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C21"]
[Annotator "Eduard Nemeth"]
[PlyCount "47"]
[EventDate "2003.??.??"]
1. e4 {64MB, Fritz7.ctg, P600 0} e5 {0} 2. d4 {2} exd4 {0} 3. Bc4 {2} Nf6 {0}
4. a3 {2} Nc6 {-0.81/9 7} 5. g3 {3} Nxe4 {-1.81/10 10} 6. Bxf7+ {3} Kxf7 {
-2.47/10 9} 7. Qh5+ {2} Ke6 {-2.47/10 10} 8. Qg4+ {2} Kd5 {-2.47/9 5} 9. f3 {3}
Nd6 {-3.59/8 8} 10. c4+ {3} Kxc4 {-4.91/9 7} 11. b3+ {3} Kxb3 {-5.47/10 10} 12.
Bg5 {4} Qe8+ {-8.22/7 3} 13. Ne2 {9} Kb2 {-8.16/9 0} 14. Nbc3 {28} Kxa1 {
4.41/9 0} 15. Kd2+ {4} Kb2 {#9/8 4} 16. Rb1+ {3} Kxa3 {#9/8 9} 17. Ke1 {13}
Qxe2+ {#6/7 13} 18. Kxe2 {14} Nc4 {#5/5 14} 19. Bc1+ {3} Nb2 {#4/4 3} 20. Rxb2
{4} dxc3 {#3/4 4} 21. Rb4+ {11} Ka2 {#3/4 0} 22. Qc4+ {4} Ka1 {#2/3 4} 23.
Qxc3+ {3} Ka2 {#1/2 3} 24. Qb2# {5} 1-0
Then, after this game, brought ChessBase versions Fritz 8.0019 (in ChessBase Magazine as an upgrade) and Fritz 8.0023. Both engines suck, but not because they are also in good positions to the pawn e4 not want to beat! :-)
Next step:
Of course, the machines were always faster, and so it was hardly possible, so as to defeat in 2000 or 2001.
Nevertheless, I continue to Playchess proved that I am being very fast machines could win or draw could fetch. Some examples:
[Event "30m + 0s"]
[Site "Playchess.com"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EduardNemeth"]
[Black "Smurskie, DeepFritz 2x1Ghz"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B23"]
[WhiteElo "2210"]
[PlyCount "222"]
[EventDate "2001.??.??"]
1. e4 {6} c5 {0} 2. Nc3 {2} a6 {0} 3. g3 {3} b5 {0} 4. Bg2 {5} Bb7 {0} 5. d3 {1
} e6 {0} 6. Bd2 {3} d5 {46} 7. Nge2 {40} b4 {37} 8. Nb1 {5} Bd6 {33} 9. O-O {15
} Nf6 {63} 10. exd5 {58} Bxd5 {38} 11. Nf4 {108} Bxg2 {43} 12. Nxg2 {8} O-O {76
} 13. Bc1 {27} Nc6 {45} 14. Nd2 {21} Nd4 {37} 15. Nb3 {47} a5 {51} 16. Ne3 {71}
a4 {35} 17. Nxd4 {3} cxd4 {10} 18. Nc4 {2} Qc7 {57} 19. Bg5 {91} Ne4 {60} 20.
Bd2 {255} Nxd2 {40} 21. Qxd2 {16} Rab8 {23} 22. b3 {33} a3 {45} 23. Rae1 {29}
Be7 {36} 24. Qe2 {47} Rb5 {32} 25. Qe4 {121} Bf6 {20} 26. Kg2 {25} Rc8 {20} 27.
Re2 {34} Rd5 {74} 28. Ree1 {47} Qc6 {22} 29. Re2 {7} Rc5 {47} 30. Qxc6 {4}
R5xc6 {6} 31. Rfe1 {4} Kf8 {64} 32. Re4 {6} h5 {33} 33. h3 {10} Ke7 {19} 34.
R4e2 {13} g5 {23} 35. g4 {9} Rh8 {38} 36. Rh1 {3} Rcc8 {32} 37. Ree1 {9} Rh7 {
48} 38. f3 {3} Rch8 {13} 39. Ref1 {20} e5 {24} 40. Re1 {15} Ke6 {20} 41. Ref1 {
2} Be7 {11} 42. Re1 {1} Bd6 {20} 43. Ref1 {57} Rh6 {13} 44. Re1 {3} R8h7 {8}
45. Ref1 {1} Be7 {9} 46. Re1 {1} f6 {7} 47. Ref1 {1} Bc5 {12} 48. Re1 {
EduardNemeth bietet Remis 2} Rh8 {0} 49. Ref1 {1} Bd6 {13} 50. Re1 {1} R8h7 {8}
51. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 52. Re1 {1} Rh8 {19} 53. Ref1 {1} Bc5 {7} 54. Re1 {1} Be7
{12} 55. Ref1 {1} Kc5 {11} 56. Re1 {1} R6h7 {13} 57. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 58. Re1
{1} Bd6 {6} 59. Ref1 {1} Rc7 {21} 60. Re1 {1} Rhh7 {22} 61. Ref1 {3} h4 {5} 62.
Re1 {9} Bc5 {0} 63. Re4 {6} Rc8 {2} 64. Rhe1 {2} Kc6 {6} 65. R1e2 {2} Rhc7 {7}
66. Re1 {0} Re7 {4} 67. R1e2 {1} Kb5 {9} 68. Re1 {1} Rc6 {5} 69. R1e2 {1} Rb7 {
6} 70. Re1 {1} Bd6 {8} 71. R1e2 {1} Rd7 {5} 72. Re1 {2} Kc5 {4} 73. R1e2 {1}
Kd5 {7} 74. Re1 {1} Rdc7 {6} 75. R1e2 {1} Rc8 {4} 76. Re1 {1} Rb8 {3} 77. R1e2
{1} Rg8 {4} 78. Re1 {1} Rg7 {4} 79. R1e2 {1} Kc5 {3} 80. Re1 {1} Bc7 {4} 81.
R1e2 {1} Rg8 {5} 82. Re1 {1} Rc8 {5} 83. R1e2 {1} Bd6 {4} 84. Re1 {1} Ra6 {2}
85. R1e2 {1} Ra7 {EduardNemeth bietet Remis 4} 86. Re1 {3} Kc6 {1} 87. R1e2 {1}
Rac7 {7} 88. Re1 {1} Be7 {4} 89. R1e2 {4} Bf8 {5} 90. Re1 {1} Kb5 {3} 91. R1e2
{1} Rc6 {4} 92. Re1 {1} R8c7 {2} 93. R1e2 {1} Bc5 {4} 94. Re1 {1} Ra6 {4} 95.
R1e2 {1} Rcc6 {2} 96. Re1 {1} Ra8 {3} 97. R1e2 {0} Rac8 {5} 98. Re1 {1} Bd6 {2}
99. R1e2 {1} Ra6 {7} 100. Re1 {1} Kc6 {4} 101. R1e2 {1} Kd5 {3} 102. Re1 {1}
Rf8 {3} 103. R1e2 {2} Rf7 {0} 104. Re1 {1} Rc6 {1} 105. R1e2 {1} Bc7 {2} 106.
Re1 {1} Rf8 {2} 107. R1e2 {1} Bd6 {3} 108. Re1 {1} Rc7 {0} 109. R1e2 {1} Rb8 {1
} 110. Re1 {1} Rb5 {0} 111. R1e2 {1} Rcc5 {2} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Wertungspartie, 10m + 3s"]
[Site "Playchess.com"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Solist"]
[Black "maschanska, Spike 1.1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[Annotator "Nemeth,Eduard"]
[PlyCount "515"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]
{Spike 1.1: 14.9 ply; 988kN/s AuthenticAMD, (2 threads)} 1. d4 {2} Nf6 {0} 2.
f4 {1} d5 {-0.34/13 12} 3. e3 {1} Bf5 {-0.38/13 13} 4. Bd3 {2} Bxd3 {18} 5.
Qxd3 {-0.23/13 0} Nc6 {-0.31/13 13} 6. c3 {2} e6 {-0.52/14 13} 7. Nf3 {2} Bd6 {
-0.39/13 12} 8. O-O {2} O-O {-0.24/12 16} 9. Re1 {1} Ne7 {-0.52/12 14} 10. Re2
{5} c5 {-0.89/12 15} 11. Nbd2 {2} Rc8 {-0.89/12 13} 12. Nf1 {5} Nf5 {
-1.05/11 14} 13. g3 {4} Qc7 {-1.46/10 14} 14. Bd2 {9} Rfd8 {-1.43/10 15} 15.
Rg2 {7} c4 {-1.46/10 12} 16. Qc2 {18} Be7 {-1.20/11 6} 17. Be1 {3} Ng4 {
-1.13/11 12} 18. Re2 {16} Nd6 {-1.09/12 2} 19. Qd2 {12} a5 {-1.19/12 16} 20. a3
{5} b5 {-1.24/11 14} 21. Ra2 {2} Nf6 {-1.33/11 23} 22. Qd1 {13} Re8 {
-1.25/11 26} 23. Bd2 {1} Qb6 {-1.41/11 18} 24. Kg2 {4} Qa7 {-1.45/11 36} 25.
Qe1 {1} Nde4 {-1.57/11 23} 26. Kg1 {3} a4 {-1.52/11 23} 27. Ra1 {4} Red8 {
-1.34/11 21} 28. Rc1 {2} Qb6 {-1.51/11 20} 29. Rc2 {2} Rc6 {-1.36/10 9} 30. Bc1
{5} Nd6 {-1.25/12 4} 31. Rg2 {3} Qb7 {-1.34/11 10} 32. Rge2 {1} Rb8 {
-1.28/11 10} 33. Rg2 {2} Rbc8 {-1.30/11 10} 34. Rge2 {2} Qa8 {-1.25/12 9} 35.
Rg2 {5} R6c7 {-1.38/11 20} 36. Rge2 {3} Rd8 {-1.24/12 16} 37. Rg2 {2} Qb7 {
-1.37/11 8} 38. Rge2 {2} Re8 {-1.24/12 10} 39. Rg2 {1} Ra8 {-1.38/11 9} 40.
Rge2 {1} Rd7 {-1.32/11 7} 41. Rg2 {1} Rdd8 {-1.32/11 8} 42. Rge2 {1} Rdc8 {
-1.37/11 9} 43. Rg2 {3} Bd8 {-1.42/11 10} 44. Rge2 {1} Bc7 {-1.40/12 10} 45.
Rg2 {6} Re8 {-1.43/11 10} 46. Rge2 {1} Rad8 {-1.37/11 7} 47. Rg2 {1} Rc8 {
-1.41/10 8} 48. Rge2 {1} Rf8 {-1.37/11 6} 49. Rg2 {2} Kh8 {-1.41/10 8} 50. Rge2
{2} Rfd8 {-1.37/11 6} 51. Rg2 {1} Re8 {-1.41/10 5} 52. Rge2 {1} h6 {-1.36/11 6}
53. Rg2 {2} Nfe4 {-1.16/11 11} 54. N1d2 {12} Kg8 {-1.09/11 0} 55. Nxe4 {6} Nxe4
{-0.98/12 1} 56. Nd2 {1} Nd6 {-0.98/12 7} 57. Nf3 {2} Bd8 {-1.07/11 7} 58. Kh1
{4} Rf8 {-1.00/11 9} 59. Kg1 {8} Bb6 {-1.05/10 5} 60. Kh1 {2} Qa6 {-1.01/10 5}
61. Rce2 {2} Rcd8 {-0.96/11 6} 62. Rc2 {2} Bc7 {-1.03/11 7} 63. Rce2 {1} Qb6 {
-0.93/11 8} 64. Rc2 {1} Qb7 {-1.03/10 4} 65. Rce2 {7} Rde8 {-0.97/12 0} 66. Rc2
{1} Rb8 {-1.00/10 6} 67. Rce2 {3} Qc6 {-0.92/12 1} 68. Rc2 {1} Kh8 {-1.01/10 5}
69. Rce2 {1} Rbc8 {-0.94/11 6} 70. Rc2 {1} Rcd8 {-1.03/10 4} 71. Rce2 {1} f6 {
-0.86/12 5} 72. Rc2 {6} Qe8 {-1.02/11 4} 73. Rce2 {8} Rd7 {-1.05/12 0} 74. Rc2
{2} Kg8 {-1.14/11 4} 75. Rce2 {2} Qg6 {-1.06/11 4} 76. Rc2 {12} Re7 {-1.15/11 5
} 77. Kg1 {23} Rc8 {-1.14/10 4} 78. Kh1 {2} Bb6 {-1.13/11 3} 79. Qd1 {18} Rec7
{-1.00/11 4} 80. Nh4 {23} Qe8 {-1.01/13 0} 81. Nf3 {1} Rb7 {-0.98/12 2} 82. Kg1
{5} Qh5 {-1.06/10 4} 83. Rcd2 {6} Ne4 {-1.34/12 6} 84. Rdf2 {7} Nxf2 {
-2.69/13 5} 85. Rxf2 {4} Bc7 {-2.72/13 2} 86. Qc2 {5} f5 {-2.68/14 5} 87. Qe2 {
5} Bd8 {-2.70/14 6} 88. Nd2 {5} Qxe2 {-3.06/14 5} 89. Rxe2 {1} g5 {-3.11/14 3}
90. Nf3 {1} g4 {-3.08/13 4} 91. Ne1 {1} Rbc7 {-3.11/13 4} 92. Bd2 {1} Rg7 {
-3.10/13 2} 93. Rg2 {7} Kf8 {-3.09/13 4} 94. Nc2 {8} Bc7 {-3.10/15 0} 95. Be1 {
7} Bd6 {-3.10/15 6} 96. Kf1 {8} Ke8 {-3.09/13 4} 97. Kg1 {1} Rcc7 {-3.09/14 5}
98. Kf1 {1} Kd8 {-3.08/13 3} 99. Bf2 {3} Rb7 {-3.09/15 6} 100. Bg1 {3} Kc7 {
-3.08/13 4} 101. Bf2 {1} Kc6 {-3.08/14 2} 102. Ke2 {1} Kb6 {-3.06/13 4} 103.
Kd2 {1} Kc7 {-3.08/12 4} 104. Be1 {2} Kd7 {-3.08/14 4} 105. Bf2 {1} Rc7 {
-3.03/12 4} 106. Be1 {1} Rc8 {-3.09/13 4} 107. Bf2 {1} Ke7 {-3.02/13 4} 108.
Be1 {1} Kf6 {-3.09/14 4} 109. Ke2 {1} Rh8 {-3.08/13 4} 110. Bf2 {1} Kg6 {
-3.10/12 3} 111. Be1 {1} Rc8 {-3.08/13 2} 112. Bf2 {1} Ra7 {-3.09/12 4} 113.
Be1 {1} Rd7 {-3.08/13 4} 114. Bf2 {1} Rb8 {-3.08/12 4} 115. Be1 {1} Rbd8 {
-3.08/13 2} 116. Bf2 {1} Rg7 {-3.08/13 4} 117. Be1 {1} Rdd7 {-3.07/13 4} 118.
Bf2 {1} Kf7 {-3.05/13 4} 119. Be1 {1} Ke8 {-3.07/13 4} 120. Bf2 {1} Rc7 {
-3.05/13 4} 121. Be1 {7} Bf8 {-3.07/13 4} 122. Bf2 {1} Kd8 {-3.03/12 3} 123.
Be1 {1} Kd7 {-3.07/13 4} 124. Bf2 {1} Kc6 {-3.06/13 4} 125. Be1 {1} Bd6 {
-3.08/13 4} 126. Bf2 {1} Kb6 {-3.08/12 3} 127. Be1 {1} Rcf7 {-3.08/14 5} 128.
Bf2 {1} Rf8 {-3.08/12 3} 129. Be1 {1} Rc7 {-3.08/13 2} 130. Bf2 {1} Rfc8 {
-3.08/12 3} 131. Be1 {1} Rd7 {-3.07/13 2} 132. Kf2 {17} Rg7 {-3.08/13 3} 133.
Ke2 {1} Kc6 {-3.07/13 3} 134. Kf2 {3} Kd7 {-3.08/13 4} 135. Kg1 {1} Ke7 {
-3.10/13 5} 136. Kf1 {1} Rf7 {-3.02/13 4} 137. Kg1 {1} Kd7 {-3.00/13 3} 138.
Kf1 {1} Rc7 {-3.00/15 4} 139. Kg1 {1} Ke7 {-3.00/14 3} 140. Kf1 {1} h5 {
-3.00/16 4} 141. Kg1 {1} Rg7 {-2.99/15 3} 142. Kf1 {1} Kf7 {-2.99/16 3} 143.
Kg1 {1} Kf6 {-2.99/15 3} 144. Kf1 {1} Rc8 {-2.99/16 4} 145. Kg1 {1} Rd7 {
-2.99/16 3} 146. Kf1 {1} Rc6 {-2.98/14 3} 147. Kg1 {1} Rg7 {-2.98/16 4} 148.
Kf1 {1} Rf7 {-2.98/16 4} 149. Kg1 {1} Ke7 {-2.99/15 3} 150. Kf1 {1} Kf8 {
-2.98/15 3} 151. Kg1 {1} Rcc7 {-2.99/16 4} 152. Kf1 {1} Rfd7 {-2.98/15 3} 153.
Kg1 {1} Ke7 {-2.99/16 5} 154. Kf1 {1} Ke8 {-2.98/16 2} 155. Kg1 {1} Bf8 {
-2.98/15 3} 156. Kf1 {1} Rg7 {-2.98/16 5} 157. Kg1 {4} Kf7 {-2.98/14 3} 158.
Kf1 {1} Kg6 {-2.98/16 4} 159. Kg1 {1} Rgd7 {-2.98/16 3} 160. Kf1 {1} Bd6 {
-2.98/16 3} 161. Kg1 {1} Kf6 {-2.98/16 3} 162. Kf1 {1} Bf8 {-2.98/16 3} 163.
Kg1 {1} Rf7 {-2.98/17 4} 164. Kf1 {1} Kg6 {-2.98/17 0} 165. Kg1 {1} Bd6 {
-2.98/17 3} 166. Kf1 {1} Rc8 {-2.98/16 3} 167. Kg1 {3} Rg7 {-2.99/15 3} 168.
Kf1 {1} Kh6 {-2.98/16 4} 169. Kg1 {1} Rf7 {-2.98/16 3} 170. Kf1 {1} Rfc7 {
-2.98/17 2} 171. Kg1 {1} Kg7 {-2.98/17 4} 172. Kf1 {2} Kf6 {-2.98/16 3} 173.
Kg1 {1} Rd8 {-2.98/15 3} 174. Kf1 {3} Rf7 {-2.98/15 4} 175. Kg1 {1} Rdd7 {
-2.99/16 3} 176. Kf1 {1} Ke7 {-2.99/16 4} 177. Kg1 {3} Ke8 {-2.98/15 3} 178.
Kf1 {1} Rg7 {-2.98/15 3} 179. Kg1 {1} Kf7 {-2.98/15 3} 180. Kf1 {1} Kg6 {
-2.98/15 3} 181. Kg1 {1} Rd8 {-2.98/16 4} 182. Kf1 {1} Rgd7 {-2.98/16 3} 183.
Kg1 {1} Rc8 {-2.98/16 4} 184. Kf1 {1} Be7 {-2.98/15 3} 185. Kg1 {1} Rdc7 {
-2.98/14 4} 186. Kf1 {1} Rb8 {-2.79/12 1} 187. Kg1 {6} Rh8 {-2.89/14 3} 188.
Kf1 {3} Rh7 {-2.97/14 4} 189. Kg1 {1} h4 {-2.99/14 3} 190. Kf1 {7} h3 {
-3.24/15 3} 191. Re2 {5} Kf6 {-3.25/15 3} 192. Rf2 {11} Bf8 {-3.24/16 3} 193.
Re2 {1} Rb7 {-3.24/16 3} 194. Rf2 {1} Bd6 {-3.25/16 3} 195. Re2 {2} Ke7 {
-3.24/16 3} 196. Rf2 {1} Rc7 {-3.24/15 3} 197. Re2 {1} Rf7 {-3.24/15 3} 198.
Rf2 {1} Rf8 {-3.24/16 4} 199. Re2 {1} Rd8 {-3.24/14 3} 200. Rf2 {2} Kd7 {
-3.24/15 4} 201. Re2 {1} Kc6 {-3.24/16 3} 202. Rf2 {2} Rdd7 {-3.24/16 3} 203.
Re2 {1} Kb6 {-3.24/16 4} 204. Rf2 {1} Rf7 {-3.22/15 3} 205. Re2 {1} Kc6 {
-3.22/16 2} 206. Rf2 {1} Rc8 {-3.24/16 4} 207. Re2 {1} Kd7 {-3.24/16 3} 208.
Rf2 {1} Ke8 {-3.24/16 2} 209. Re2 {1} Ke7 {-3.24/15 3} 210. Rf2 {1} Kf6 {
-3.24/15 3} 211. Re2 {1} Kg6 {-3.23/15 3} 212. Rf2 {1} Rd7 {-3.22/15 3} 213.
Re2 {1} Rdc7 {-3.23/15 3} 214. Rf2 {1} Kf6 {-3.22/16 4} 215. Re2 {1} Rg7 {
-3.22/16 3} 216. Rf2 {1} Rcc7 {-3.22/16 3} 217. Re2 {1} Kg6 {-3.22/17 4} 218.
Rf2 {1} Rgf7 {-3.22/15 3} 219. Re2 {2} Kf6 {-3.22/16 3} 220. Rf2 {1} Ra7 {
-3.24/15 3} 221. Re2 {1} Ke7 {-3.22/15 3} 222. Rf2 {1} Ke8 {-3.22/16 3} 223.
Re2 {1} Rac7 {-3.22/17 3} 224. Rf2 {1} Rfd7 {-3.22/16 3} 225. Re2 {1} Kf7 {
-3.22/17 4} 226. Rf2 {1} Kg6 {-3.22/16 3} 227. Re2 {1} Bf8 {-3.22/16 3} 228.
Rf2 {1} Rf7 {-3.22/17 3} 229. Re2 {1} Be7 {-3.22/17 4} 230. Rf2 {1} Kh5 {
-3.22/17 1} 231. Re2 {1} Bf8 {-3.22/18 4} 232. Rf2 {1} Rfd7 {-3.22/18 1} 233.
Re2 {1} Bd6 {-3.22/17 5} 234. Rf2 {2} Rc8 {-3.22/15 2} 235. Re2 {2} Rg7 {
-2.92/14 4} 236. Rf2 {5} Kg6 {-2.61/14 3} 237. Re2 {2} Kf7 {-2.08/13 1} 238.
Rf2 {1} Rb8 {-2.04/14 3} 239. Re2 {1} Ke8 {-2.03/14 4} 240. Rf2 {1} b4 {
-2.05/14 4} 241. Nxb4 {. 38} Rb6 {-2.23/14 3} 242. Re2 {1} Rgb7 {-2.23/17 4}
243. Rf2 {2} Be7 {-2.24/16 3} 244. Re2 {1} Bf6 {-2.25/15 4} 245. Rf2 {1} Kf8 {
-2.24/16 3} 246. Re2 {1} Kf7 {-2.24/15 3} 247. Rf2 {1} Kg6 {-2.24/17 1} 248.
Re2 {1} Rb8 {-2.24/16 3} 249. Rf2 {1} Kh5 {-2.24/17 2} 250. Re2 {1} Kh6 {
-2.23/16 3} 251. Rf2 {1} R8b7 {-2.23/17 3} 252. Re2 {1} Be7 {-2.23/16 3} 253.
Rf2 {3} Kh5 {-2.23/17 1} 254. Re2 {1} Rb8 {-2.23/18 2} 255. Rf2 {1} Kg6 {
-2.23/17 3} 256. Re2 {1} Bf6 {-2.23/18 13} 257. Rf2 {2} Kh6 {-2.24/17 12} 258.
Re2 {Zeit (Lag: Av=0.26s, max=3.4s) 1} 1-0
[Event "Wertungspartie, 3m + 2s"]
[Site "Playchess.com, Main Room"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EduardNemeth"]
[Black "Comp Hiarcs, HIARCS 11.2 MP."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A45"]
[WhiteElo "2013"]
[BlackElo "3234"]
[PlyCount "380"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
1. d4 {2} Nf6 {0} 2. c3 {1} e6 {0} 3. f4 {1} c5 {9} 4. e3 {3} d5 {18} 5. Bd3 {3
} Be7 {7} 6. Nf3 {4} O-O {0} 7. O-O {1} b6 {0} 8. Re1 {3} Qc7 {27} 9. Nbd2 {5}
Ba6 {14} 10. Qe2 {3} Bxd3 {10} 11. Qxd3 {0} Rc8 {5} 12. g3 {13} a6 {16} 13. Re2
{1} Nbd7 {8} 14. a3 {2} b5 {4} 15. Ra2 {5} Rab8 {6} 16. Nf1 {4} a5 {7} 17. Bd2
{2} Ne4 {4} 18. Be1 {3} Ndf6 {8} 19. Rg2 {1} a4 {15} 20. Re2 {2} Nd6 {7} 21.
Rg2 {7} c4 {7} 22. Qe2 {6} Nfe4 {5} 23. N1d2 {5} Nxd2 {9} 24. Bxd2 {7} Rf8 {4}
25. Be1 {1} Rbc8 {2} 26. Bd2 {1} f5 {5} 27. Be1 {2} Ne4 {3} 28. Nd2 {4} Nxd2 {5
} 29. Bxd2 {1} Bd6 {2} 30. h4 {2} Qe7 {6} 31. Be1 {1} Rf6 {4} 32. Ra1 {1} Rcf8
{4} 33. Rc1 {1} R6f7 {5} 34. Rc2 {1} Qf6 {3} 35. Kh1 {2} Qh6 {5} 36. Rh2 {1}
Bc7 {3} 37. Bf2 {1} Qf6 {EduardNemeth bietet Remis 4} 38. Be1 {2} Re8 {0} 39.
Bf2 {1} Kh8 {6} 40. Qf3 {2} Ref8 {3} 41. Bg1 {1} Kg8 {6} 42. Bf2 {1} Bd6 {3}
43. Be1 {1} Bb8 {2} 44. Qe2 {1} Bc7 {3} 45. Qf3 {0} Bd6 {4} 46. Qe2 {0} Rc7 {1}
47. Qf3 {1} Rfc8 {2} 48. Qe2 {1} Rf7 {2} 49. Bf2 {1} Rff8 {1} 50. Be1 {0} Ra8 {
2} 51. Bf2 {2} Rad8 {2} 52. Be1 {1} Rd7 {1} 53. Bf2 {1} Re8 {3} 54. Be1 {1} Rf7
{1} 55. Bf2 {2} Ra8 {3} 56. Be1 {1} Rb8 {1} 57. Qf3 {1} Rd8 {3} 58. Qe2 {1}
Rdd7 {2} 59. Qf3 {1} Rf8 {1} 60. Qf2 {1} h5 {2} 61. Qe2 {1} Qf7 {2} 62. Qf3 {1}
Be7 {1} 63. Qe2 {1} Rdd8 {2} 64. Qf3 {1} Bd6 {1} 65. Qe2 {1} Rfe8 {3} 66. Qf3 {
1} Rc8 {2} 67. Qe2 {1} Qg6 {2} 68. Qf3 {1} Rf8 {1} 69. Qe2 {1} Kh7 {2} 70. Qf3
{1} Rce8 {2} 71. Qe2 {1} Qf7 {2} 72. Qf3 {1} Re7 {2} 73. Qe2 {1} Rfe8 {1} 74.
Qf3 {1} Rb8 {2} 75. Qe2 {1} Rf8 {2} 76. Qf3 {1} Qg6 {1} 77. Qe2 {1} Kh8 {2} 78.
Qf3 {2} Rc7 {2} 79. Qe2 {1} Qf7 {1} 80. Qf3 {1} Rcc8 {2} 81. Qe2 {1} Qg6 {2}
82. Qf3 {1} Bc7 {2} 83. Qe2 {EduardNemeth bietet Remis 1} Rcd8 {2} 84. Qf3 {1}
Rd6 {1} 85. Qe2 {1} Qf7 {2} 86. Qf3 {1} Kg8 {2} 87. Qe2 {1} Rfd8 {2} 88. Qf3 {1
} Rc6 {2} 89. Qe2 {1} Rc8 {2} 90. Qf3 {1} Bd6 {1} 91. Qe2 {1} Be7 {2} 92. Qf3 {
1} Ra6 {2} 93. Qe2 {1} Ra7 {2} 94. Qf3 {1} Bd6 {2} 95. Qe2 {1} Re7 {2} 96. Qf3
{1} Rd7 {0} 97. Qe2 {1} Rcc7 {3} 98. Qf3 {1} Qg6 {2} 99. Qe2 {2} Be7 {2} 100.
Qf3 {2} Qf7 {0} 101. Qe2 {2} Kh7 {2} 102. Qf3 {1} Qg6 {0} 103. Qe2 {1} Rb7 {2}
104. Qf3 {1} Rdc7 {2} 105. Qe2 {1} Kg8 {2} 106. Qf3 {1} Rb8 {2} 107. Qe2 {1}
Rbc8 {3} 108. Qf3 {1} Bd6 {4} 109. Qe2 {1} Qf7 {1} 110. Qf3 {1} g6 {1} 111. Qe2
{1} Qf6 {3} 112. Qf3 {1} Rh7 {1} 113. Qe2 {1} Rh8 {2} 114. Qf3 {1} Kf7 {2} 115.
Qe2 {1} Rhf8 {2} 116. Qf3 {1} Bc7 {1} 117. Qe2 {1} Rce8 {2} 118. Qf3 {1} Qe7 {2
} 119. Qe2 {1} Rh8 {2} 120. Qf3 {1} Rc8 {1} 121. Qe2 {1} Bd6 {2} 122. Qf3 {1}
Kg7 {2} 123. Qe2 {1} Qd7 {1} 124. Qf3 {5} Qf7 {0} 125. Qe2 {1} Qd7 {4} 126. Qf3
{1} Kf7 {0} 127. Qe2 {1} Bc7 {4} 128. Qf3 {2} Rhf8 {2} 129. Qe2 {1} Kg7 {2}
130. Qf3 {1} Qf7 {2} 131. Qe2 {1} Kh7 {1} 132. Qd2 {1} Bd6 {2} 133. Rg2 {2} Kg7
{2} 134. Kh2 {1} Qf6 {2} 135. Kh3 {1} Be7 {2} 136. Kh2 {1} Rh8 {1} 137. Kh3 {2}
Bd6 {2} 138. Kh2 {1} Kf7 {2} 139. Kh1 {1} Rhf8 {2} 140. Qe2 {1} Rfe8 {1} 141.
Qf3 {1} Qg7 {2} 142. Qf2 {1} Rg8 {2} 143. Qf3 {1} Qh6 {2} 144. Qf2 {1} Qf8 {2}
145. Qf3 {1} Qg7 {2} 146. Qf2 {1} Rh8 {1} 147. Qf3 {1} Ke7 {2} 148. Qf2 {1} Qf6
{2} 149. Qf3 {1} Rhf8 {2} 150. Qf2 {1} Rf7 {2} 151. Qf3 {1} Kf8 {0} 152. Qf2 {1
} Rb7 {3} 153. Qf3 {1} Kg7 {3} 154. Qf2 {1} Rbb8 {2} 155. Qf3 {1} Qe7 {2} 156.
Qf2 {. 12} Rf8 {1} 157. Qf3 {4} Qb7 {0} 158. Qf2 {2} Qf7 {4} 159. Qd2 {1} b4 {2
} 160. cxb4 {5} Qd7 {0} 161. Qe2 {7} Rfe8 {0} 162. Bc3 {1} Kf7 {2} 163. Qf3 {1}
Be7 {3} 164. Qe2 {2} Bf6 {3} 165. Qe1 {1} Re7 {3} 166. Kh2 {1} Qc6 {2} 167. Kh1
{1} Rc7 {2} 168. Kh2 {1} Qd7 {1} 169. Kh1 {1} Bg7 {2} 170. Kh2 {1} Ra7 {2} 171.
Kh1 {1} Raa8 {1} 172. Kh2 {1} Bf6 {2} 173. Kh1 {1} Rb7 {2} 174. Kh2 {1} Rab8 {1
} 175. Kh1 {1} Rb6 {2} 176. Kh2 {1} Be7 {2} 177. Kh1 {1} Kg7 {2} 178. Kh2 {1}
R6b7 {1} 179. Kh1 {1} Bf6 {2} 180. Kh2 {1} Qb5 {2} 181. Kh1 {1} Rb6 {1} 182.
Kh2 {1} R8b7 {2} 183. Kh1 {1} Kf7 {2} 184. Kh2 {1} Qc6 {1} 185. Kh1 {2} Rb5 {2}
186. Kh2 {1} Rb8 {2} 187. Kh1 {1} Ke7 {2} 188. Kh2 {1} Qd7 {1} 189. Kh1 {1}
R5b6 {2} 190. Kh2 {1} Bg7 {
EduardNemeth bietet Remis (Lag: Av=0.31s, max=1.1s) 2} 1/2-1/2
You can see, that I have played here "live and online", and also without Takebacks! I played even faster than the machines!! The trains are all human traits because no program plays as I played here.
I have proved that I am not a charlatan, and that my games, even with Tim Krabbe published, just as all and without fraud were played.
I do not Takebacks, and I can even now still at a very fast Hiarcs 11 MP draws a pick, live on Playchess in the Main Room of Course too, where many kibitzers showed!
(Sorry for my bad english)
Best!
Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
German: Vielen Dank dafür Patrick, dass Du mir damals die Chance gegeben hast diese Artikel zu schreiben. Danke auch dafür, dass Du sie in Französisch übersetzt hast!Le Fou numerique wrote:Hi,
An article written by Eduard about anti-computer chess:
Mes stratégies anti-ordinateur in French
Meine Anticomputerschach Strategien in German
Regards,
Patrick
English (short): Thank You Patrick, and thank You for your many translations of my Articles to French!
My Best!
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
Edward German wrote:You can see, that I have played here "live and online", and also without Takebacks! I played even faster than the machines!! The trains are all human traits because no program plays as I played here.
I have proved that I am not a charlatan, and that my games, even with Tim Krabbe published, just as all and without fraud were played.
I do not Takebacks, and I can even now still at a very fast Hiarcs 11 MP draws a pick, live on Playchess in the Main Room of Course too, where many kibitzers showed!
(Sorry for my bad english)
Best!
Eduard, another serious question: do you publish each and every game you played or do you publish more or less the highlights to demonstrate what could be possible against the machines?
In German: veröffentlichst du jede Partie oder nur manche quasi als Höhepunkte, um zu demonstrieren, was dir gegen diese Maschinen möglich ist?
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
After 4...e5 comes 5.dxe5 Bf5 6.exf6 Qxf6 and white has an advantage.ernest wrote:Shredder 11 also doesn't find 1.Bxh7+!
but it suggests 4. ...e5 instead of ...Re8
Is it still a win?
[d]r4rk1/pp3pp1/1bp2q2/5bN1/5B1Q/2P5/PP3PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 6
What is an Anti-Trojan code?Eduard Nemeth wrote:The programmers of Fritz and Shredder saw my games, and implemented anti-human codes, such as an Anti-Trojan code (In Shredder and in Fritz he has been in it - yes in Fritz too!).
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth
Here's another game i found by Claus Carstens. He beat Rybka 2.2 mp in 33 moves.
[Event "3/2007"]
[Site "Europa Rochade"]
[Date "2007.03.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "C. Carstens"]
[Black "Rybka 2.2 MP, Dual 1,8 GHz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Be3 Nf6 8.fxe4 Qa5 9. e5 Nd5 10. Bd2 Nxc3 11. Qg4 O-O 12. Nf3 Nc6 13. Bd3 cxd4 14. O-O g6 15. Rae1 Qxa3 16. Bh6 Bd7 17. Ng5 Nd5 18. Nxh7 Qxd3 19. cxd3 Kxh7 20. Qh4 Kg8 21. Bg5 Nxe5 22. Rxe5 f5 23. Rf3 Nf4 24. Bxf4 Rac8 25. Rh3 Kf7 26. Qh7+ Ke8 27.Bg5 Rc1+ 28. Re1 Rxe1+ 29. Kf2 Rf6 30. Bxf6 Rf1+ 31. Kxf1 Kf8 32. Qg7+ Ke8 33.Qe7# 1-0
[Event "3/2007"]
[Site "Europa Rochade"]
[Date "2007.03.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "C. Carstens"]
[Black "Rybka 2.2 MP, Dual 1,8 GHz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C15"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 dxe4 6. f3 c5 7. Be3 Nf6 8.fxe4 Qa5 9. e5 Nd5 10. Bd2 Nxc3 11. Qg4 O-O 12. Nf3 Nc6 13. Bd3 cxd4 14. O-O g6 15. Rae1 Qxa3 16. Bh6 Bd7 17. Ng5 Nd5 18. Nxh7 Qxd3 19. cxd3 Kxh7 20. Qh4 Kg8 21. Bg5 Nxe5 22. Rxe5 f5 23. Rf3 Nf4 24. Bxf4 Rac8 25. Rh3 Kf7 26. Qh7+ Ke8 27.Bg5 Rc1+ 28. Re1 Rxe1+ 29. Kf2 Rf6 30. Bxf6 Rf1+ 31. Kxf1 Kf8 32. Qg7+ Ke8 33.Qe7# 1-0
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With best respect.
Hello.
All the solidarity and support to Eduard Nemeth, a Top anticomputer human being.
With best respect.
Pablo
All the solidarity and support to Eduard Nemeth, a Top anticomputer human being.
With best respect.
Pablo
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: With best respect.
Computers are still far from perfect. Computers are tactically almost perfect but positionally or strategically (where there are no direct tactical threats) there is still a long way to go.
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Re: With best respect.
You somewhat confuse the situation. I trie to describe what is really the case also in answering the other member who asked what a Trojan code were.Uri wrote:Computers are still far from perfect. Computers are tactically almost perfect but positionally or strategically (where there are no direct tactical threats) there is still a long way to go.
Since every "normal" opening variation is now in the so called books of the machine programs, players have two possibilities.
A.) playing GM chess and then later winning on the base of a strong Bishop or something deeply hidden what also the typical operators or programmers cant cope with. But this affords an extremely high exactitude in play without any tactical faults. Even Kramnk failed to dominate FRITZ or other GM lost against RYBKA in recent events.
B.) anti-computer chess is a different approach, only played by non-GM players. A real GM is too proud to play dumb chess only to have a chance against a machine. Dumb chess means, the same chess would directly weaken your chances to win against experienced chess masters. The main aspects of anti-machine chess are:
- either infrequently played lines or weaker lines
- opening systems with a character of a late killer attack
- playing that hides its real intent with sacrificing material
- all intended to hide the later killer moves when a machine is too late
- let's be honest: such variants must be prepared
- because no sub-GM player is able to invent such deepest lines at spot
- if not prepared then you might get a win in every series of "20" losses
- also a machine in a serial match would "learn" to avoid such tricks
- so that one is allowed to say that E. shows his best results only
Now to one of the tricks, the Trojan and the defence code.
It'a very old chess to threaten the short castled K with a piece on g5 (g4). A normal reaction could be h6 (h3). Then a naive machine will take and you can attack. A defence code simply tells the machine when it's not safe to take. Of course you can always find a very deep line where you can confuse a machine by Q-wing manoevring with sacs so that a machine vmight still "take" and lose. Of that sort are endless games of another German expert named "Carl Carstens". He will always have a 30 move win against any machine, no matter how strong in the rating lists. The question is how many times he tried in the long period between his two or three monthly corner...
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
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Re: With best respect.
Computers are tactically very strong (almost perfect). The drawback of this is that they sometimes value material above positional features. They still don't understand subtle positional features such as attack on the king, mobility of the pieces and coordination of the pieces in an attack.