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Harvey Williamson

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:Here are some of the details of the new challenge. A quote from Mark:

"I will get my 7Mhz Amiga out the loft and use it with H from 1989 - the exact version that competed in the Computer Olympiad"

Steve has agreed to play with a version of the Fidelity excellence. More details soon!
Hi Harvey

in an effort to get things settled as to the match details

GM Uniake must decide on WHICH Excellence i am to use

there were three models released for the Excellence 3 mhz

Model 6080-your basic Vanilla ..no frills ..1755 Elo rated ..Excellence:

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 787477/121

Model 6092..the Voice Excellence..same exact program and hardware as the basic Excellence but can speak FOUR languages:
English
French
Spanish
German
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 815072/128

Model 6093-Excel Display

a mute like the 6080 but has a display screen which can show clock times,depth of search and Position Valuations:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 952609/129

and for the occasion i offer for your consideration ..a rare .. fourth choice...
the Fidelity Excellence Deluxe

same as the 6080 but surrounded in glorious.. life sustaining ..Wood..
a creation by Fellow Countryman of yours and Marks
Sir Bryan Whitby:

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/cpaa2@sbcgl ... 841069/123

personally i think the Excel Display would make the games more interesting as i can then report PV's from time to time during actual game play

if Gm Uniake prefers the Excellence Voice then i insist on French as the language
very pleasant on the ears..if you ask me

Pick Your Poison Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

I have sent a link to your questions to GM Uniacke and am awaiting a responce. If the French language is used I insist that Alain be seconded to the Hiarcs team to ensure fair play.

The excel display does sound interesting. I doubt Mark will mind which you use but will await his reply.

Picking our Poison Regards,

Harvey
ps we picked our poison - the excel display sounds fine!

Let the Record show...
Excel Display

only details remaining...

What level for the ED?
number of games and who gets what color ?

tidying up loose ends regards
Steve

Hi Steve,

Why dont you chose a level - then I will ask Mark to pick one he thinks appropriate to challenge you with.

I guess to start with 2 games with reverse colours. I think 10th June is fine.

Loose snds still not completely tidy,

Harvey
Steve B

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Steve B »

hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Harvey Williamson

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
Steve B

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Steve B »

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Harvey Williamson

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
Steve B

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Steve B »

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
yes sir
12000 move book

which can be deacitvated if H.07 has no book

OutOFWork Now Regards
Steve
Steve B

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Steve B »

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
hi Harvey

i would like to confirm this Sundays(June.10) match

is it still on ?
if so..

do i use the opening book?
i am using the Excellence-3 Mhz and Mark will be operating Hiarcs 0.7
two games
Hiarcs gets the White pieces in game one
time control-30 sec/move avg
start time 11:00-11:30 am PlayChess Server time
Regards
Steve
Harvey Williamson

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
hi Harvey

i would like to confirm this Sundays(June.10) match

is it still on ?
if so..

do i use the opening book?
i am using the Excellence-3 Mhz and Mark will be operating Hiarcs 0.7
two games
Hiarcs gets the White pieces in game one
time control-30 sec/move avg
start time 11:00-11:30 am PlayChess Server time
Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Have passed the message to Mark. I will let you know what he says later. Unfortunately I don't think I can be there on Sunday morning as I have to work.

Will let you know as soon as I hear back from Mark.

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Steve B

Re: the games and a new challenge.

Post by Steve B »

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
hi Harvey

i would like to confirm this Sundays(June.10) match

is it still on ?
if so..

do i use the opening book?
i am using the Excellence-3 Mhz and Mark will be operating Hiarcs 0.7
two games
Hiarcs gets the White pieces in game one
time control-30 sec/move avg
start time 11:00-11:30 am PlayChess Server time
Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Have passed the message to Mark. I will let you know what he says later. Unfortunately I don't think I can be there on Sunday morning as I have to work.

Will let you know as soon as I hear back from Mark.

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Shame you cant for once sit back and kibbutz instead of operating

if Saturday morning (same time) is better for you i can manage that as well

Best
Steve
Harvey Williamson

Re: the games and a new challenge.(update)

Post by Harvey Williamson »

Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Steve B wrote:hi Harvey

here are the different level setting's for Mark and you to peruse..

this is the Excellence manual posted on Alains site
click to page 11:
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/ExcellenceUS.pdf

i think level 7 which is 15 seconds a move on average is best
the game will take about 30-45 minutes combined for both sides
and with two games being played that brings us to an 60-90 minutes worth of play for one sitting


Hiarcs to get White in game one

can i ask you
what version number of Hiarcs will the Excellence be playing?

or shall we call it...Hiarcs Olympiad Regards?
Steve
Hi Steve,

Level 7 sounds fine we are happy with that - We will set to G/15 which is about the same I think?

As for what to call your opponent it is Hiarcs 0.7 - playing on the machine previously described if all is well when it is retrieved from the Uniacke storage facility.

June 10th regards,

Harvey
yes Game/15 will be the equivalent to Excellences 15 seconds per move avg
HOWEVER ..Hiarcs 0.7 should be RESET every 10 moves or so to allow a full 15 minutes each reset..thereby giving it a full 15 seconds per move to ponder on each move
otherwise it will be moving very quickly if the game goes for 60-70 moves or so and not pondering even for 15 seconds because it will "think" it is going to lose on time

hopefully Hiarcs 0.7 can have the level reset during the game?

Fairness In Competition Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Does your excellence come with an opening book? I wonder if 0.7 still has the book it played the olympiad with!?

I hope that WCCC coming soon is played with the same fairness that our games gave all been played with.

These should be a real high quality games regards,

Harvey
hi Harvey

i would like to confirm this Sundays(June.10) match

is it still on ?
if so..

do i use the opening book?
i am using the Excellence-3 Mhz and Mark will be operating Hiarcs 0.7
two games
Hiarcs gets the White pieces in game one
time control-30 sec/move avg
start time 11:00-11:30 am PlayChess Server time
Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

Have passed the message to Mark. I will let you know what he says later. Unfortunately I don't think I can be there on Sunday morning as I have to work.

Will let you know as soon as I hear back from Mark.

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Shame you cant for once sit back and kibbutz instead of operating

if Saturday morning (same time) is better for you i can manage that as well

Best
Steve
Hi Steve,

the equipment has been retrieved from storage and will be tested tonight. If all goes well its game on for Sunday morning. Mark thinks there is an opening book stored on the machine.

More info as it becomes available regards,

Harvey