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IWB
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Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by IWB » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:16 pm

As usuall you find the rating here:

http://www.inwoba.de

Have fun
Ingo

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by tomgdrums » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:33 am

Which version of Sjeng is this??

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:01 am

Hi,

Sjeng c't 2010 and Shredder Classic 4 full version is available on a DVD, DVD is included / essential part from a German computer magazine (not chess magazine) called c't. Very popular computer magazine in Germany with great information around IT, hardware / software ... computer topics.

c't issue 24/2010:
http://www.heise.de/ct/inhalt/2010/24/6/

- 32bit version of DeepSjeng only
- support for 1 core only
- engine is from 20.10.2010 (can see it with Total Commander and PlugIn FileInfo 2.1.0)

full version but 32bit and 1 core only!

w32 to x64 advantage for DeepSjeng WC-2008 = 24 ELO

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SWCR results:
43 Sjeng WC-2008 x64            2688   14   14  1680   48%  2701   36%
59 Sjeng WC-2008 w32            2664   12   12  2240   45%  2699   37%
Interview with Gian-Carlo from February 04th, 2010
http://www.schach-welt.de/de/spezial/co ... cutto.html

Have a look on question 7 ... and for sure on all the others interesting interview topics / questions if you don't know this interview.

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07.
Frank Quisinsky
Come out, Sjeng is on the way to become a giant for all other engines. You are one of the most talented programmers we can await it! Sjeng 4 will be again a new sensation? Long speech, short sense!? How many ELO points stronger is your actual development version so far?

Gian-Carlo Pascutto
I'll just say: quite a bit over 100 ELO better. I don't know the exact number as I didn't test against Deep Sjeng 3.0 for a while, but it's clear there's very substantial improvement. And if it depends on me, it will keep improving. If you have multiple computers, you can use the cluster mode, and then the improvement is pretty interesting
I await around 75 ELO more for Sjeng c't 2010 w32 if I compare with the latest available version WC-2008 x64.

Price for one issue for this computer magazine = € 3,70 in Germany!
Not sure that you can order one issue from abroad only!
Sure is, that you can make an order from abroad!

More information about possible orders are available under:
https://abo.heise.de/ct-magazin/

Help, and all this in my English / Frankish ... hope all is OK!

Best
Frank
I like computer chess!

tomgdrums
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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by tomgdrums » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:44 am

Frank Quisinsky wrote:Hi,

Sjeng c't 2010 and Shredder Classic 4 full version is available on a DVD, DVD is included / essential part from a German computer magazine (not chess magazine) called c't. Very popular computer magazine in Germany with great information around IT, hardware / software ... computer topics.

c't issue 24/2010:
http://www.heise.de/ct/inhalt/2010/24/6/

- 32bit version of DeepSjeng only
- support for 1 core only
- engine is from 20.10.2010 (can see it with Total Commander and PlugIn FileInfo 2.1.0)

full version but 32bit and 1 core only!

w32 to x64 advantage for DeepSjeng WC-2008 = 24 ELO

Code: Select all

SWCR results:
43 Sjeng WC-2008 x64            2688   14   14  1680   48%  2701   36%
59 Sjeng WC-2008 w32            2664   12   12  2240   45%  2699   37%
Interview with Gian-Carlo from February 04th, 2010
http://www.schach-welt.de/de/spezial/co ... cutto.html

Have a look on question 7 ... and for sure on all the others interesting interview topics / questions if you don't know this interview.

Code: Select all

07.
Frank Quisinsky
Come out, Sjeng is on the way to become a giant for all other engines. You are one of the most talented programmers we can await it! Sjeng 4 will be again a new sensation? Long speech, short sense!? How many ELO points stronger is your actual development version so far?

Gian-Carlo Pascutto
I'll just say: quite a bit over 100 ELO better. I don't know the exact number as I didn't test against Deep Sjeng 3.0 for a while, but it's clear there's very substantial improvement. And if it depends on me, it will keep improving. If you have multiple computers, you can use the cluster mode, and then the improvement is pretty interesting
I await around 75 ELO more for Sjeng c't 2010 w32 if I compare with the latest available version WC-2008 x64.

Price for one issue for this computer magazine = € 3,70 in Germany!
Not sure that you can order one issue from abroad only!
Sure is, that you can make an order from abroad!

More information about possible orders are available under:
https://abo.heise.de/ct-magazin/

Help, and all this in my English / Frankish ... hope all is OK!

Best
Frank
Thanks for the info Frank!

I think it might be hard to order one issue of the magazine but that is still a cool thing to see!!!

Thanks again.

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by IWB » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:30 am

Hello Tom
tomgdrums wrote: ...

I think it might be hard to order one issue of the magazine but that is still a cool thing to see!!!
Thanks again.
The C't is one of the biggest computer magazins in the world actually. It is THE magazin in germany.

Click here: https://abo.heise.de/

and scroll down completly. There is a box called "Kontakt" where you find address, telefone and -of course- an email address to contact them.

The price for the magazin is "just" 3€.70 nut question is where you live and what the price for delivery is.
Maybe GCP will offer the version (or the full Deep Sjeng 2010 ;-) )on his web site sooner or later. seeing the results I hope for it.

Bye
Ingo

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by Jouni » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:22 pm

2774 after 1900 games, great improvement :) . But I have feeling, that 100 games matches are overkill, You don't get much benefit over 50 games?
BTW rating after only 200 games was 2767, so additional 1700 games change it only by 7 points!

Jouni

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by IWB » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:37 pm

Hello
Jouni wrote:2774 after 1900 games, great improvement :) . But I have feeling, that 100 games matches are overkill, You don't get much benefit over 50 games?
BTW rating after only 200 games was 2767, so additional 1700 games change it only by 7 points!

Jouni
Yea, the next time I try to play ONE game vs the engine with the right Elo rating and hope for a draw. The error bar is a bit higher, but at least the rating is good.
AFTER a match it is always easy to say that it hit the right already after X games, but during the run it could be as well 800 games. Unfortunately I am a quite bad "Elo prophet".
Actually, it started in the 2800 and went down in the beginning. I think it hit the 2770 after around 50 games for the first time. Maybe 50 is enough already, who knows. In between, at around 800 it was up to 279x ...
Where to stop is the question, 40, 200, 800 games ... that is why now I have an error bar of "just" 13 Elo after 2000 games.

Regarding the 50 games per engine or 100 games the above is correct too. The more the better - or you life with higher uncertainty.

Bye
Ingo

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Re: Sjeng c't 2010 32b running for the IPON

Post by IWB » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:19 pm

Hello

Test of Deep Sjeng c't 2010 finished.

Just awsome!

http://www.inwoba.de

GCP, please release the Deep and 64bit Version. I am willing to pay for it!

Bye
Ingo

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