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More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:39 pm

Here's another long game (40 moves / 2.5 hours) from Citrine autoplay:

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.13"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 Nxc3 8.
bxc3 Qd5 9. e3 Nd7 10. Bd3 Nf6 11. O-O Be7 12. e4 Qh5 13. Qa4+ Kf8 14. Re1 Kg8
15. Rb1 a6 16. Bg5 h6 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. Qd7 Rc8 19. Rec1 Bg5 20. Rxb6 cxb6 21.
Qxb7 Rc5 22. Qb8+ Kh7 23. Qxb6 Rhc8 24. Nxg5+ Qxg5 25. Qb2 R5c6 26. e5+ Kh8 27.
Rb1 Qd8 28. c4 Rxc4 29. Bxc4 Rxc4 30. Rd1 Qc7 31. f3 Rc3 32. Qb4 Kh7 33. Rd2 a5
34. Qb1+ g6 35. Qb2 Qc4 36. Kf2 Kg7 37. Kg3 Rb3 38. Qa2 Qa4 39. Rc2 g5 40. h3
Rxa3 41. Qc4 Qxc4 42. Rxc4 a4 43. h4 Ra2 44. hxg5 hxg5 45. Rb4 Kg6 46. Rc4 Ra1
47. Rc5 Rd1 48. Rc4 a3 49. Ra4 Rd3 50. Ra7 Rb3 51. Ra8 Rc3 52. Ra7 Rd3 53. Ra4
Kf5 54. Kf2 Kf4 55. Ke2 Rb3 56. Kd2 Kg3 57. Kc2 Re3 58. Kd2 Kf2 59. Ra5 a2 60.
Kc2 Kxg2 61. Kd1 a1=R+ 62. Rxa1 Rxf3 63. Ke2 g4 64. Ra8 Rf2+ 65. Ke3 g3 66. Rc8
Rf3+ 67. Ke2 Rf2+ 68. Ke3 Rf3+ 69. Ke2 Rf4 70. Ke3 Rf2 71. Ra8 Kg1 72. Rh8 g2
73. Rc8 Rf5 74. d5 Rxe5+ 75. Kf3 Rxd5 76. Ra8 Rd3+ 77. Ke2 Rh3 78. Ra1+ Kh2 79.
Kf2 Rb3 80. Re1 e5 81. Rd1 f5 82. Rc1 f4 83. Ke2 g1=R 84. Rxg1 Kxg1 85. Kd2 e4
86. Kc1 Rd3 87. Kc2 f3 88. Kc1 f2 89. Kc2 f1=Q 90. Kb2 Qe2+ 91. Kc1 Rd1# 0-1
White resigned on move 77.

I'm still working on getting the Citrine to talk directly to Lisp. Once this is done, it will be fairly simple to connect the Citrine to xboard.

Does anyone have a program that will read in a game and produce estimated ratings for the players?

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:26 pm

Another 40/9000 Citrine autoplay:

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.15"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. e3 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. c4 Nbd7 6. a3 a5 7. bxa5 Rxa5 8. d4
dxc4 9. Bxc4 Bd6 10. Qb3 Qc8 11. Nh4 Be4 12. Nd2 Bc6 13. O-O O-O 14. Nhf3 Qa8
15. Bd3 Bd5 16. Qc3 Nb6 17. Bc1 Bc6 18. e4 Rd8 19. Re1 Qa7 20. e5 Nfd5 21. Qc2
Bb4 22. Bxh7+ Kh8 23. Ng5 Rd7 24. Be4 g6 25. Bb2 Bxd2 26. Qxd2 Nc4 27. Qc1 Nxb2
28. Qxb2 Rb5 29. Qd2 Rb3 30. Ra2 Re7 31. Bxd5 Bxd5 32. Qf4 Kg8 33. Qh4 f6 34.
exf6 Qa5 35. Rae2 Rd7 36. Qh6 Qxe1+ 37. Rxe1 Be4 38. Nxe4 Rb5 39. Qxg6+ Kf8 40.
Rc1 Rbd5 41. Qh6+ Kg8 42. Rc3 Rg5 43. Qxg5+ Kf8 44. Rg3 Rg7 45. Qxg7+ Ke8 46.
Qe7# 1-0

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:16 pm

Another 40/9000 autoplay:

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.16"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Nxd5 4. c4 Nb4 5. Qa4+ N8c6 6. a3 e5 7. d5 Nxd5 8.
cxd5 Qxd5 9. Nf3 Bd6 10. Nc3 Qe6 11. Bd3 f5 12. O-O Bd7 13. Be3 e4 14. Bc4 Qg6
15. Ng5 Rf8 16. Nb5 Rd8 17. Rfd1 f4 18. Bf7+ Rxf7 19. Nxf7 Kxf7 20. Nxd6+ cxd6
21. Bxf4 Bg4 22. Qb3+ Kf8 23. Rd2 Bf3 24. Bg3 Bg4 25. Qxb7 d5 26. Rc2 Bd7 27.
Rac1 Ne7 28. Rc7 Qg5 29. Qxa7 Kg8 30. Bh4 Qxh4 31. Rxd7 Rxd7 32. Qxd7 Kf7 33.
Rc7 Qg5 34. Qd6 e3 35. f4 Qh4 36. Qxd5+ Kf8 37. Qa8+ Kf7 38. Qd5+ Kf8 39. Qa8+
Kf7 40. g3 Qg4 41. Qd5+ Qe6 42. Qh5+ Kf6 43. Kf1 Qd6 44. Qe5+ Qxe5 45. fxe5+
Ke6 46. Ke2 Nd5 47. Rxg7 h6 48. Rg6+ Kxe5 49. Rxh6 Ke4 50. Re6+ Kd4 51. h4 Nc7
52. Rxe3 Nd5 53. Rd3+ Ke4 54. h5 Nf6 55. b4 Ng4 56. b5 Ne5 57. Re3+ Kf5 58. h6
Nc4 59. h7 Nxe3 60. Kxe3 Ke6 61. h8=Q Kd7 62. Qc3 Ke6 63. Qc4+ Ke5 64. b6 Kd6
65. b7 Ke7 66. b8=Q Kf6 67. Qd6+ Kg5 68. Qdf4+ Kg6 69. Qcf7# 1-0

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:54 am

interesting...

is it posible do a game without books ?

example, in the initial position, go to setup, and move the white king... after go out setup... and citrine PLAY initial position similar a problem position, and it don´t use the book...

40/9000. of course...

bye. oliver

PD: then you select "autoplay" and in the first move... we can not see the "clock" time, but internal is correct, and after some seconds... or minutes move... and after that, move black... ... ...

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:33 pm

Another 40/9000 autoplay:

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.17"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. b3 e6 4. Bb2 Be7 5. e3 d5 6. Be2 dxc4 7. bxc4 O-O 8. d4
Nc6 9. O-O Qc7 10. Nbd2 Rd8 11. Bc3 b6 12. Rb1 Bb7 13. Bd3 Rab8 14. Qb3 Bd6 15.
Rfd1 Qe7 16. Re1 Bc7 17. Qc2 Kh8 18. h3 Bd6 19. Ng5 h6 20. Nge4 Nxe4 21. Bxe4
Bc7 22. Nf3 a6 23. Qa4 Rdc8 24. Kh1 Bd8 25. Red1 Kg8 26. Nd2 Qh4 27. dxc5 f5
28. Bd3 b5 29. Nf3 bxa4 30. Nxh4 Bxh4 31. Kg1 Be7 32. Bc2 Ba8 33. Rxb8 Rxb8 34.
Bxa4 g5 35. Rd7 Bxc5 36. Kh2 Ba3 37. Bg7 Rd8 38. Bxc6 Rxd7 39. Bxd7 Kxg7 40.
Bxe6 Kf6 41. Bc8 a5 42. Bd7 Be4 43. g4 Bd6+ 44. Kg1 f4 45. Be8 Ke5 46. Bd7 Bc5
47. exf4+ Kxf4 48. Ba4 Ke5 49. Bb5 Kd4 50. a4 Bd6 51. Ba6 Kc5 52. f3 Bxf3 53.
Kf2 Bd1 54. Bb5 Bf4 55. Bd7 Kxc4 56. Bc6 Kb4 57. Ke1 Bxa4 58. Bd5 Bb3 59. Be4
a4 60. Bb1 Kc3 61. Ke2 Kb2 62. Be4 a3 63. h4 a2 64. Kf2 a1=Q 65. Bd3 Qa7+ 66.
Kg2 Bd5+ 67. Be4 Bxe4+ 68. Kf1 Bd3+ 69. Kg2 Qa1 70. Kf3 Qf1# 0-1

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:37 pm

Karmazen & Oliver wrote: is it posible do a game without books ?

example, in the initial position, go to setup, and move the white king... after go out setup... and citrine PLAY initial position similar a problem position, and it don´t use the book...

40/9000. of course...

bye. oliver

PD: then you select "autoplay" and in the first move... we can not see the "clock" time, but internal is correct, and after some seconds... or minutes move... and after that, move black... ... ...
Every time the initial array is physically set on the board, the unit sets itself up for a new game. So I'm not sure that a "no-book" game is possible.

The clock values are sent on the serial link only in response to individual requests. There is no way to have it be recorded automatically.

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:21 am

Another 40/9000 autoplay:

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.17"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. O-O O-O 5. d3 d6 6. e4 c5 7. Nc3 Nc6 8. Bd2
Qb6 9. Na4 Qa6 10. Nc3 Bd7 11. a3 Qb6 12. Rb1 h6 13. h3 Kh7 14. Ne1 e5 15. f4
exf4 16. Bxf4 Nd4 17. e5 dxe5 18. Bxe5 Nf5 19. Rf4 Qe6 20. Bxf6 Bxf6 21. Ne4
Bd4+ 22. Kh2 Ne3 23. Rh4 Kg8 24. Qd2 g5 25. Rh5 f5 26. Nxg5 Qg6 27. Ne6 Bxe6
28. Rh4 f4 29. g4 Qf6 30. Nf3 Bxb2 31. Rh5 b6 32. a4 Rae8 33. Bh1 Bd7 34. Qf2
Bc3 35. g5 hxg5 36. Rxg5+ Kf7 37. Rh5 Ke7 38. Rh7+ Kd8 39. Qh4 Nxc2 40. Qxf6+
Bxf6 41. Ng1 Be5 42. Nf3 Rh8 43. Rxh8 Bxh8 44. a5 Re2+ 45. Kg1 b5 46. Kf1 Re3
47. Ng5 Bxh3+ 48. Nxh3 Rxh3 49. Be4 a6 50. Kg2 Rg3+ 51. Kf1 Bd4 52. Ke2 Bc3 53.
Rc1 Nd4+ 54. Kf2 Bd2 55. Rh1 Be3+ 56. Ke1 f3 57. Kf1 Rg2 58. Rh8+ Ke7 59. Rh7+
Kf6 60. Rh6+ Ke5 61. Rh5+ Kf4 62. Rh1 Ra2 63. Bxf3 Nxf3 64. Rh4+ Kg3 65. Rg4+
Kxg4 66. d4 Rf2# 0-1

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:20 am

sje wrote:
Karmazen & Oliver wrote: is it posible do a game without books ?

example, in the initial position, go to setup, and move the white king... after go out setup... and citrine PLAY initial position similar a problem position, and it don´t use the book...

40/9000. of course...

bye. oliver

PD: then you select "autoplay" and in the first move... we can not see the "clock" time, but internal is correct, and after some seconds... or minutes move... and after that, move black... ... ...
Every time the initial array is physically set on the board, the unit sets itself up for a new game. So I'm not sure that a "no-book" game is possible.
The clock values are sent on the serial link only in response to individual requests. There is no way to have it be recorded automatically.
OK. excuse me. it is posible play a game with out book, I play two games in other post theme... but I say you if you like do a long test in that long time game...

when you go to setup, and go out, after move (up-down... some times the white king, to select a white move position when you go out setup ), the computer "don´t" initial a new game... if you are very carefull... you can not move the black king (up-down) for citrine start the game, because then, "citrine" reset with a new game... you must use the option autoplay... and remeber that previus, the first thing, previus insert in setup, select the level correct... when you select "AUTOplay"... with setup option, citrine star to think, but don´t reset the game, becasuse you are in setup option..., and I´m sure that start exits a lot of posiblities that citrine start with a move "d3"...
[Event "Novag-Chessboard"]
[Site "Novag-Chessboard"]
[Date "2008.11.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Oliver´s Citrine UCB auto 1min"]
[Black "Oliver´s Citrine UCB auto 1min"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "16"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. d3 e6 2. e3 d6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Be7 5. a3 O-O 6. Be2 a6 7. Bd2 Bd7 8. O-O
Nc6 * ...

in levels: C3 (5min/game), C5 (30 mint/game) and A7 (40 mov/2 h.).. citrine plays (out-book) with white:

1. e3 ¡? ... and the answer with black,
1. ..., e6 ¡?, but the cautions don´t finish here yet...

after this ...

2. e3 ¡? ... and
2. ..., d7 ¡?,

[D]r2q1rk1/1ppbbppp/p1nppn2/8/8/P1NPPN2/1PPBBPPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 9
for example.

bye. oliver.

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:17 pm

After several tries, I'm having too much difficulty in getting the Citrine to play without a book. I'll leave this issue as it is for now.

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Re: More on the Novag Citrine

Post by sje » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:21 pm

Another 40/9000 autoplay. However, there were two differences this time:

1) The "random" parameter (0..3) was set at 3, the highest value.

2) Unlike every other 40/9000 game that ended in checkmate, there was no resignation. Perhaps this is somehow connected to #1.

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[Event "Citrine Autoplay"]
[Site "At home"]
[Date "2008.11.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. c4 c5 2. g3 g6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O d5 6. d4 O-O 7. dxc5 dxc4 8. Nc3
Qa5 9. Qd4 Qa6 10. Qe3 Nc6 11. Rd1 Bf5 12. Nh4 Ng4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. h3 Nge5 15.
Qe3 Rad8 16. Bd2 Nd4 17. Qe4 Nec6 18. Kh2 Nb5 19. Qc2 Nxc3 20. Bxc3 Rxd1 21.
Rxd1 Qxa2 22. Bxc6 bxc6 23. Nf3 Bxc3 24. Qxc3 Bd5 25. Qe5 Re8 26. Rd2 f6 27.
Qc7 e5 28. Qd6 e4 29. Qd7 Rf8 30. Rxd5 cxd5 31. Qxd5+ Kg7 32. Qb7+ Rf7 33. Qxe4
Qxb2 34. Nd4 h5 35. Ne6+ Kh8 36. Nf4 Kg7 37. Qxg6+ Kf8 38. Qxh5 f5 39. c6 Qf6
40. Qf3 Qd6 41. Qd5 Qxd5 42. Nxd5 c3 43. Nxc3 Rc7 44. Nb5 Rxc6 45. Nd4 Rf6 46.
Kg2 a5 47. g4 fxg4 48. hxg4 a4 49. Nb5 Re6 50. e3 Ke7 51. Na3 Rd6 52. Kf3 Rd3
53. Nc2 a3 54. Ke2 Rb3 55. Nxa3 Rxa3 56. f4 Ra4 57. Kd3 Ra2 58. e4 Ke6 59. g5
Rf2 60. Ke3 Rf1 61. g6 Kd6 62. f5 Ke5 63. Kd2 Rf4 64. Kd3 Rg4 65. g7 Rxg7 66.
Ke3 Rg3+ 67. Kf2 Rd3 68. Kg2 Kxe4 69. f6 Rf3 70. f7 Rxf7 71. Kg3 Rg7+ 72. Kf2
Kf4 73. Ke2 Ke4 74. Kf2 Rg8 75. Ke2 Rg2+ 76. Kd1 Kd3 77. Ke1 Re2+ 78. Kf1 Ke3
79. Kg1 Rf2 80. Kh1 Kf3 81. Kg1 Kg3 82. Kh1 Rf1# 0-1

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