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Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Denis P. Mendoza » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:45 pm

I had quote Tord saying, "Actually, not releasing a Windows executable of Glaurung Lodz 2007 was a conscious choice: I don't want to confuse the poor testers with too many very similar versions". But since a lot of us here are Windows users, it was a challenge to compile a test engine of this version. It was nice that Tord gave me the approval to distribute an unofficial Glaurung_Lodz_2007 for private use. So unless he himself releases it publicly (as official version), people won't see it on the ranking lists. Fair enough! I just also want to see comments on what others think of this engine.

As Tord also mentioned..."Glaurung Lodz 2007 is actually very close to Glaurung 2 - ε/5; the only changes worth mentioning are some new endgame knowledge for KRP vs KR and KRPP vs KRP endgames, a very minor improvement in passed pawn evaluation, and slightly more intelligent time managment in ponder on games. I don't think Lodz 2007 is measurably stronger than 2 - ε/5, at least not with pondering disabled".

Let's just see how the champion plays with Strelka!


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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by AdminX » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:38 pm

Thank Tord, and Thank you also Denis!
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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by George Tsavdaris » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm

Denis P. Mendoza wrote:Let's just see how the champion plays with Strelka!

Get it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?a5ulmxwmgyx
Hi, thanks for this.


Too bad that this new Glaurung does not find faster than its predecessor the 1.h4!! 2.Ke2!(g4 may win too) winning sequence....
OK it's faster by 8 seconds but that's not much. :roll:
[d]r7/Np1r1p1p/1n3Pp1/p2pP1k1/PbpP1R2/6P1/R1P3NP/5K2 w - - 0 1


Analysis by Glaurung Lodz 2007:

1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Ra2-a1 Nb6-c4 5.Kf1-e2 Nc4-d2 6.Ke2-d3 Kh6-h5 7.Ra1-e1
± (1.07) Depth: 12 00:00:01 820kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Ra2-a1 Nb6-c4 5.Kf1-e2 Nc4-d2 6.g3-g4 b7-b6 7.g4-g5+ Kh6-h5 8.Ke2-d3
± (1.05) Depth: 13 00:00:01 1332kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Ra2-a1 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Kf1-e2 b7-b6 7.Ke2-d3 Kh6-h5 8.Ra1-b1 Rc4-c8
± (1.11) Depth: 14 00:00:03 2694kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Ra2-a1 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Kf1-e2 b7-b6 7.Ke2-d3 Rd7-d8 8.Ra1-b1 Kh6-h5 9.Rf4-f2
± (1.07) Depth: 15 00:00:05 4931kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.Ng2-e3 h7-h5 3.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 4.Kf1-e2 Ra8-c8 5.Ke2-d3 Nb6-c4 6.Ne3-d1 Kh6-h7 7.Nd1xc3 b7-b6 8.Rf4-f2 Kh7-g8 9.Ra2-a1
± (1.15) Depth: 16 00:00:12 11791kN
1.Na7-b5 h7-h5 2.c2-c3 Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Bb4-f8 4.Kf1-g2 Ra8-e8 5.h2-h3 Kh6-h7 6.Rf4-f1 Bf8-h6 7.Kg2-f2 Bh6-f8 8.Rf1-b1 Kh7-g8 9.Kf2-g2
± (1.19) Depth: 17 00:00:25 25209kN
1.Na7-b5 h7-h5 2.c2-c3 Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Bb4-f8 4.Kf1-g2 Ra8-e8 5.h2-h3 Kh6-h7 6.Rf4-f1 Bf8-h6 7.Kg2-f2 Kh7-g8 8.Rf1-d1 Rd7-d8 9.Rd1-b1 Re8-e6
± (1.17) Depth: 18 00:00:40 39768kN
1.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 2.Kf1-e2 Rd7-d8 3.Na7-b5 Ra8-a6 4.g3-g4 Nb6-d7 5.Nb5-c7 Ra6-c6 6.Nc7xd5 b7-b6 7.Nd5xb4 a5xb4 8.Ra2-b2 b4-b3 9.c2xb3 c4-c3 10.Rb2-c2 Rd8-e8
+- (3.01) Depth: 18 00:04:00 224229kN



Analysis by Glaurung 2-epsilon/4:

1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Kf1-e2 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Ra2-a1 g6-g5 7.Rf4-f3 g5xh4 8.g3xh4
± (1.07) Depth: 11 00:00:00 402kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Kf1-e2 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Ra2-a1 Kh6-h5 7.Ke2-d3 b7-b6
± (1.13) Depth: 12 00:00:01 674kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Kf1-e2 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Ra2-a1 Rc4-c8 7.Ke2-e3 b7-b6 8.Ra1-b1
± (1.09) Depth: 13 00:00:01 1172kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Kf1-e2 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Ra2-a1 Rc4-c8 7.Ke2-e3 b7-b6 8.Ra1-b1 Rc8-e8
± (1.13) Depth: 14 00:00:02 2295kN
1.Na7-b5 c4-c3 2.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 3.Ng2-e3 Ra8-c8 4.Kf1-e2 Nb6-c4 5.Ne3xc4 Rc8xc4 6.Ra2-a1 Rc4-c8 7.Ke2-d3 b7-b6 8.Ra1-h1 Rd7-d8 9.Rh1-b1
± (1.13) Depth: 15 00:00:04 4302kN
1.Na7-b5 h7-h5 2.c2-c3 Bb4-f8 3.Ng2-e3 Kg5-h6 4.Kf1-g2 Kh6-h7 5.Rf4-f1 Kh7-g8 6.Rf1-b1 Bf8-h6 7.Kg2-f2 Ra8-e8 8.h2-h3 Bh6-g5
± (1.13) Depth: 16 00:00:12 12740kN
1.Na7-b5 h7-h5 2.c2-c3 Bb4-f8 3.Ng2-e3 Kg5-h6 4.Kf1-g2 Kh6-h7 5.Rf4-f1 Kh7-g8 6.Rf1-b1 Bf8-h6 7.Kg2-f2 Ra8-e8 8.h2-h3 Bh6-f8 9.Kf2-g2
± (1.19) Depth: 17 00:00:25 23090kN
1.Na7-b5 h7-h5 2.c2-c3 Bb4-f8 3.Ng2-e3 Kg5-h6 4.Kf1-g2 Kh6-h7 5.Rf4-f1 Bf8-h6 6.Kg2-f2 Kh7-g8 7.Rf1-b1 Ra8-e8 8.h2-h3 Kg8-h7 9.Kf2-f3 Kh7-g8
± (1.17) Depth: 18 00:00:38 36320kN
1.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 2.Kf1-e2 Rd7-d8 3.Na7-b5 Nb6-d7 4.Ng2-e3 Ra8-a6 5.Nb5-c7 Ra6-c6 6.Nc7xd5 Nd7-f8 7.c2-c3 Bb4xc3 8.Nd5xc3 Nf8-e6 9.d4-d5 Ne6xf4+ 10.g3xf4 Rc6-c7
+- (3.21) Depth: 18 00:04:08 216564kN

1.h2-h4+ Kg5-h6 2.Kf1-e2 Bb4-d6 3.g3-g4 Bd6xe5 4.d4xe5 d5-d4 5.Na7-b5 Ra8-e8 6.Rf4xd4 Rd7xd4 7.Nb5xd4 Re8xe5+ 8.Ke2-f3 g6-g5 9.Ra2-b2 Nb6xa4 10.Rb2xb7 Kh6-g6 11.h4xg5 Re5xg5 12.Ng2-e3 Kg6xf6 13.Ne3xc4
+- (3.15) Depth: 19 00:05:03 267959kN


Still does not solve the following (under logical time in my PC) but it will solve it eventually.... :D I hope with the next release.
This position has many tricks and a very thin line of white moves that win by force so i give that excuse to Glaurung. :D
[d]2rr2k1/pp1q1bp1/4p2p/2npP3/5N1P/1Q4P1/PP3P2/1BRR2K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Glaurung 2-epsilon/4:

1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Rc8xc1 3.Rd1xc1 Rd8-c8 4.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 5.Bb1xe4 d5xe4 6.Kg1-g2 Qc8-c6 7.Qe2-e3 Qc6-a4 8.a2-a3
² (0.60) Depth: 11 00:00:00 735kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-e7 4.Rd1-e1 Nc5-d7 5.Bb1-c2 Kg8-f8 6.Re1-e3 Nd7-c5
= (0.23) Depth: 12 00:00:02 1511kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-e7 4.Rd1-e1 Nc5-d7 5.Rc1-d1 g7-g5 6.Nf4-h3 Nd7-c5 7.Qg4-f3 g5xh4
² (0.43) Depth: 13 00:00:04 2652kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-e7 4.Rd1-e1 Nc5-d7 5.Rc1-d1 g7-g5 6.Nf4xd5 e6xd5 7.e5-e6 Nd7-f6 8.e6xf7+ Qe7xf7
² (0.35) Depth: 14 00:00:05 4836kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-e7 4.Rd1-e1 Nc5-d7 5.Rc1-d1 g7-g5 6.Nf4xd5 e6xd5 7.e5-e6 Nd7-f6 8.e6xf7+ Qe7xf7
² (0.35) Depth: 15 00:00:11 9515kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Rc8xc1 3.Rd1xc1 Rd8-c8 4.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 5.Bb1xe4 d5xe4 6.Qe2-d2 g7-g6 7.Kg1-g2 Kg8-g7 8.Qd2-b4 Qc8-c6 9.Qb4-d6 Qc6-c4 10.b2-b3 Qc4-c2
² (0.47) Depth: 16 00:00:22 19523kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.b2-b4 Nc5-a4 4.Qe2-d3 g7-g6 5.Rd1-e1 Rc8xc1 6.Re1xc1 Rd8-c8 7.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 8.Nf4xg6 Qc8-c1+ 9.Kg1-g2 Na4-c3 10.Ng6-e7+ Kg8-f8 11.Bb1-c2 Nc3xa2
² (0.37) Depth: 17 00:00:58 51274kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.b2-b4 Nc5-a4 4.Qe2-d3 g7-g6 5.Qd3-f3 Na4-b2 6.Rd1-e1 Rc8xc1 7.Re1xc1 g6-g5 8.h4xg5 Rd8-c8 9.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 10.Nf4-e2 h6xg5 11.Ne2-c3
² (0.60) Depth: 18 00:01:55 99886kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.b2-b4 Nc5-a4 4.Qe2-d3 g7-g6 5.Qd3-f3 Qd7-e8 6.Rd1-e1 Kg8-g7 7.Bb1-d3 Na4-c3 8.Bd3xg6 Bf7xg6 9.Rc1xc3 Rc8xc3 10.Qf3xc3 Rd8-c8
² (0.64) Depth: 19 00:03:05 155719kN

After 4:35 minutes of search....


Analysis by Glaurung Lodz 2007:

1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 g7-g5 3.Bb1xe4 Rc8xc1 4.Rd1xc1 g5xf4 5.Qe2-g4+ Kg8-f8 6.Be4-h7 f4xg3 7.f2xg3
² (0.50) Depth: 9 00:00:00 219kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 g7-g5 3.Bb1xe4 Rc8xc1 4.Rd1xc1 g5xf4 5.Qe2-g4+ Kg8-f8 6.Be4-h7 f4xg3 7.f2xg3
² (0.50) Depth: 10 00:00:01 315kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Rc8xc1 3.Rd1xc1 Rd8-c8 4.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 5.Bb1xe4 d5xe4 6.Kg1-g2 Qc8-c6 7.Qe2-e3 Qc6-a4 8.a2-a3
² (0.60) Depth: 11 00:00:01 685kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.b2-b3 Qa4-a5 5.a2-a4 Qa5-b6 6.Bb1-c2 Kg8-f8
= (0.09) Depth: 12 00:00:02 1390kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 Qa4-a5 5.Re1-e2 Kg8-f8 6.b2-b4 h6-h5 7.Nf4-g6+ Kf8-e8
² (0.41) Depth: 13 00:00:04 2786kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 Qa4-a5 5.Rc1-d1 Qa5-b5 6.Re1-e2 b7-b6 7.Nf4-h5 Bf7xh5 8.Qg4xh5
² (0.37) Depth: 14 00:00:06 5076kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 d5-d4 5.b2-b3 Qa4-a5 6.Re1-d1 Kg8-f8 7.Rc1-c4 Qa5-c7 8.Rc4xd4 Rd8xd4 9.Rd1xd4 Qc7xe5
² (0.41) Depth: 15 00:00:12 9855kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 Rc8-c6 5.b2-b3 Qa4-a6 6.Re1-d1 Kg8-f8 7.Qg4-f3 Kf8-g8 8.Nf4-h5 Bf7xh5 9.Qf3xh5
² (0.33) Depth: 16 00:00:27 18650kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 Rc8-c6 5.b2-b3 Qa4-a6 6.b3-b4 Nc5-e4 7.Rc1xc6 Qa6xc6 8.Bb1xe4 d5xe4 9.Re1-d1 Rd8xd1+ 10.Qg4xd1 Qc6-b6 11.Qd1-d6
² (0.31) Depth: 17 00:01:01 39814kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.Qe2-g4 Qd7-a4 4.Rd1-e1 Rc8-c6 5.Rc1-d1 Rc6-c8 6.b2-b3 Qa4-a3 7.Re1-e2 b7-b6 8.Re2-d2 Qa3-a5 9.Nf4-h5 Bf7xh5 10.Qg4xh5
² (0.35) Depth: 18 00:01:50 79667kN
1.Qb3-c2 Nc5-e4 2.Qc2-e2 Ne4-c5 3.b2-b4 Nc5-a4 4.Qe2-d3 g7-g6 5.Rd1-e1 Rc8xc1 6.Re1xc1 Rd8-c8 7.Rc1xc8+ Qd7xc8 8.Nf4xg6 Qc8-c1+ 9.Kg1-g2 Na4-c3 10.Bb1-c2 Nc3-e4 11.Ng6-f4 Qc1-e1 12.Qd3-d4
² (0.47) Depth: 19 00:03:45 167889kN

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:48 pm

Tord is always modest about his improvements. I guess it will definitely be better.

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Tord Romstad » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:30 am

Hello George,

Thanks for the positions. Glaurung 2 is usually quite bad at all sorts of test positions (in fact, it is generally quite bad at everything except for winning games, where it does surprisingly well), so it doesn't surprise me that it has difficulties finding the right moves in your two positions.

Nevertheless, I will have a look at the positions. If I am lucky, the positions could help me to discover some unknown bug.

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Tord Romstad » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:38 am

Dann Corbit wrote:Tord is always modest about his improvements. I guess it will definitely be better.
I haven't made any tests with the Lodz version, but considering the changes compared to 2 - ε/5, it is fairly obvious that there cannot be a big difference in strength.

In most games, KRP vs KR and KRPP vs KRP endgames don't occur at all, and the new evaluation patterns I added are only relevant for tiny subsets of these endgames (KRP vs KR with the attacking rook behind the pawn, the pawn far advanced, and the defending king badly placed; and KRPP vs KRP without a passed pawn, and with the defending king well placed).

The only other evaluation change is that for doubled passed pawns, only the frontmost pawn on the file is given a bonus. This is also not relevant in the majority of chess games, and can't possibly have a big impact on the strength.

The third and last change is that I have attempted to improve the time managment in ponder on games. I am not sure this attempt was successful: In Lodz Glaurung always seemed to play far too quickly, and usually had more than half an hour left on the clock at the end of the game (the time control was 60 minutes/game).

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Eelco de Groot » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:20 am

Some programs maybe solve this much faster, but I think these are not easy testpositions though. I have tried the first one with Alaric, on Athlon 2009 MHz with 256 Mb;

r7/Np1r1p1p/1n3Pp1/p2pP1k1/PbpP1R2/6P1/R1P3NP/5K2 w - -

Engine: Alaric 70706 Default (256 MB)
gemaakt door Peter Fendrich

9.00 0:00 +0.70 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Kf2 Tad8
5.Pd1 Tc8 6.Pe3 (111.221)

10.00 0:00 +0.74 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.Kg2 Tc8 4.Ta1 Pc4
5.Pxc4 Txc4 6.h4+ Kh6 (226.919)

11.00 0:00 +0.76 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.Kg2 Tc8 4.Ta1 Tcd8
5.h3 Pc4 6.h4+ Kh6 7.Pxc4 dxc4 (383.662)

12.00 0:00 +0.79 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.Kg2 Tc8 4.Ta1 Pc4
5.Pxc4 Txc4 6.h4+ Kh6 7.Taf1 Tc8 (670.955) 746

13.01 0:02 +0.91 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Kg1 Tc8 4.Pe3 Te8
5.h4+ Kh6 6.Kg2 Ted8 7.Tf1 Kh7
8.Tfa1 (2.008.248) 762

14.01 0:04 +0.90 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Kg1 Tad8 4.Tf1 Kh6
5.Pf4 Te8 6.h4 Kh7 7.Tfa1 Ted8 (3.665.611) 767

15.01 0:11 +0.82 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.Kg2 Tc8 4.Ta1 Tdd8
5.e6 fxe6 6.f7 Le7 7.Pd1 Pc4 8.Pbxc3 (9.223.557) 769

16.01 0:26 +0.97 1.Pb5 c3 2.h4+ Kh6 3.Pe3 Pc4 4.Pxc4 dxc4
5.Ta1 Te8 6.Kg2 Ted8 7.Taf1 Td5
8.T4f3 Kh5 9.Tf4 (20.727.370) 774

17.01 0:51 +1.06 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Tff2 Kh7
5.Tfe2 Te8 6.Pf4 Lh6 7.e6 fxe6
8.Pxe6 Tf7 9.Pg5+ Lxg5 10.Txe8 Lxf6 (39.858.011) 774

18.01 1:39 +1.24 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Tff2 Kh7
5.e6 fxe6 6.Pf4 Kh6 7.Pxe6 Te8
8.Tae2 Pxa4 9.Pxf8 Txf8 10.Ta2 Pb6
11.Txa5 (76.789.369) 773

19.01 2:36 +1.16 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Tff2 Kh7
5.e6 fxe6 6.Pf4 Te8 7.Tae2 Pxa4
8.Pxe6 Ta8 9.Ta2 Pb6 10.Txa5 Txa5
11.Pxf8+ Kg8 12.Pxd7 Pxd7 (120.828.817) 770

20.01 5:08 +1.22 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Tff2 Kh7
5.e6 fxe6 6.Pf4 Te8 7.Tae2 Tf7
8.Pxe6 Kg8 9.Pg5 Txe2 10.Kxe2 Pxa4
11.Pxf7 Kxf7 (236.369.135) 765

20.02 21:55 +2.80 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Ke2 Ld6 3.Pb5 Lxe5
4.dxe5 Te8 5.Pe3 Txe5 6.Pd4 c3 7.Kf2 Te4
8.Tg4 Te5 9.Ta1 Pc4 10.Pxc4 dxc4
11.Tb1 (1.012.120.542) 769


Alaric with Deep IIb settings is a bit faster but also gets it at twenty ply:

r7/Np1r1p1p/1n3Pp1/p2pP1k1/PbpP1R2/6P1/R1P3NP/5K2 w - -

Engine: Alaric 70706 Deep IIb (256 MB)
gemaakt door Peter Fendrich

9.00 0:00 +0.70 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Kf2 Tad8
5.Pd1 Tc8 6.Pe3 (120.068)

10.00 0:00 +0.68 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Kg2 Tc8
5.Tf1 Tcd8 6.Tfa1 Kh7 (226.309)

11.00 0:00 +0.74 1.Pb5 c3 2.Pe3 h5 3.h4+ Kh6 4.Kg2 Tc8
5.Tf1 Tcd8 6.Tfa1 Kh7 7.Kf3 (445.191)

12.00 0:01 +0.87 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Pe3 Kh6 4.Kg2 Tad8
5.Tf1 Kh7 6.Tfa1 Kg8 (1.241.131) 791

13.01 0:02 +0.90 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Pe3 Kh6 4.Kg2 Kh7
5.Tf3 Tad8 6.Tf1 Lh6 7.Kf3 (1.930.646) 813

14.01 0:06 +0.78 1.Pb5 c3 2.h4+ Kh6 3.Pe3 Tc8 4.Kg2 Pc4
5.Pxc4 Txc4 6.Ta1 Tc8 7.Taf1 Tcd8
8.T4f3 (5.079.927) 814

15.01 0:10 +0.97 1.Pb5 c3 2.h4+ Kh6 3.Pe3 Kh5 4.Kg2 Pc4
5.Pxc4 dxc4 6.Ta1 Tad8 7.Th1 Td5
8.g4+ Kh6 9.Thf1 b6 (8.480.145) 814

16.01 0:16 +0.97 1.Pb5 c3 2.h4+ Kh6 3.Pe3 Pc4 4.Pxc4 dxc4
5.Kg2 Tc8 6.Ta1 Tcd8 7.Taf1 Td5
8.T4f3 Kh5 9.Tf4 (13.732.991) 816

17.01 0:33 +0.94 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Tff2 Te8 4.Kg1 Kh6
5.Ta1 g5 6.Pe3 Ted8 7.h4 g4 8.Tfa2 Kg6
9.Kg2 (27.187.168) 820

18.01 1:02 +1.02 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Tff2 Te8 4.Kg1 Kh6
5.Ta1 Pc8 6.Pe3 Kh7 7.Te2 Pb6 8.Tea2 Ted8
9.Kf2 (50.890.417) 809

19.01 2:14 +1.13 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Tff2 Kh6 4.Tfb2 Tad8
5.h4 Kh7 6.Te2 Kg8 7.e6 fxe6 8.Pf4 Ld6
9.Pxe6 Te8 10.Pxd6 Txd6 (107.822.521) 801

20.01 4:12 +1.24 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Tff2 Kh6 4.h4 Kh7
5.e6 fxe6 6.Pf4 Te8 7.Tae2 Pxa4
8.Pxe6 Kh6 9.Pxf8 Txf8 10.Ta2 Pb6
11.Txa5 (201.106.891) 796

20.02 15:34 +2.80 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Ke2 Tdd8 3.Pb5 Pd7 4.Pe3 Ta6
5.g4 Pxe5 6.dxe5 Te6 7.c3 Txe5 8.Kf3 g5
9.Tf5 Txf5+ 10.Pxf5+ Kg6 11.cxb4 axb4
12.hxg5 Kxg5 (741.020.003) 792


Eelco

Some programs I see choose 1.h4+ much faster, with a transposition of 1.Nb5 c3 2.h4+ Kh6 what Alaric also quickly has as PV to 1. h4+ Kh6 2. Nb5 c3 but that does not really count as a solution I think!

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Eelco de Groot » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:00 am

King of tactics Hiarcs 11.1 in the first testposition, only at 19 plies deep 2.Ke2 emerges in the PV:

r7/Np1r1p1p/1n3Pp1/p2pP1k1/PbpP1R2/6P1/R1P3NP/5K2 w - -

Engine: HIARCS 11.1 Default (256 MB)
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11/23 0:00 +0.28 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Pe3 Te8 4.Kg2 Ted8
5.h3 Kh6 (239.037) 412

11/23 0:00 +0.29 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Pe3 Te8 4.Kg2 Ted8
5.h3 Kh6 6.Tff2 (266.238) 405

12/25 0:01 +0.21 1.Pb5 h5 2.c3 Lf8 3.Tff2 Te8 4.Pe3 Kh6
5.Kg2 Kg5 6.h3 Tdd8 (541.674) 393

12/29 0:03 +0.22 1.h4+ (1.128.352) 350

12/29 0:03 +0.25 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 c3 3.Pe3 Te8 4.Kf2 Kh5
5.Ke2 Pc4 6.Pxc4 dxc4 7.Tf3 Tdd8 (1.335.222) 347

13/29 0:05 +0.32 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 c3 3.Pe3 Te8 4.Kf2 Kh5
5.Ke2 Tc8 6.Pg4 Tcd8 7.e6 (1.875.317) 339

14/30 0:11 +0.39 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 c3 3.Pe3 Te8 4.Kf2 Kh5
5.Tf3 Tc8 6.Pd1 Tdd8 7.Pdxc3 Pc4
8.Ta1 (3.700.743) 335

15/36 0:26 +0.54 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 Ld2 3.Tf3 Kh5 4.c3 Lh6
5.Pf4+ Lxf4 6.Txf4 Te8 7.Kg2 Pc8
8.Tf1 Kh6 9.g4 Pb6 (8.867.816) 328

16/36 0:48 +0.57 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 Ld2 3.Tf3 Kh5 4.c3 Lh6
5.Pf4+ Lxf4 6.Txf4 Te8 7.Kg2 Pc8
8.Tf1 h6 9.Taf2 Pb6 10.Pd6 (15.839.162) 326

17/39 1:40 +0.71 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 Ld2 3.Tf3 Kh5 4.c3 Lh6
5.Pf4+ Lxf4 6.Txf4 Tf8 7.Pd6 Pc8
8.Pxc8 Txc8 9.e6 fxe6 10.Te2 Tf7
11.Te5+ Kh6 (32.305.874) 320

18/43 3:27 +0.84 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Pb5 Ld2 3.Tf3 Kh5 4.c3 Lh6
5.Pf4+ Kg4 6.Kf2 Te8 7.Kg2 Lf8 8.e6 fxe6
9.Te2 e5 10.Txe5 Txe5 11.dxe5 (64.446.604) 311

19/43 10:18 +1.09++ 1.h4+ (183.916.944) 297

19/46 24:02 +3.44 1.h4+ Kh6 2.Ke2 Td6 3.Pe3 Pd7 4.Pb5 (438.333.346) 303

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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by George Tsavdaris » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:53 am

Tord Romstad wrote: Thanks for the positions. Glaurung 2 is usually quite bad at all sorts of test positions (in fact, it is generally quite bad at everything except for winning games, where it does surprisingly well),
Really?
From my little experience with Glaurung (i use it form Glaurung 1.2.1 and after) i think it it good enough with some testpositions.
Many times it does not find the solution but it's clever enough when you show it the solution to give a high score immediately understanding what is happening....

Anyway here is the analysis of these 2 positions(the second one is extremely interesting):

Position-1:
[D]r7/Np1r1p1p/1n3Pp1/p2pP1k1/PbpP1R2/6P1/R1P3NP/5K2 w - - 0 1
Here 1.h4+! wins by force while 1.Nb5?! gives the chance to black to escape playing 1...h5.

After 1.h4+! Kh6(1...Kh5 2.g4 Kh6 3.Ke2! white wins) 2.Ke2 now:
-2...Nxa4 3.Rxa4 is crushing.
-2...Rxa7 3.g4! and then c3! win immediately.
-2...c3 3.g4 is crushing too....
-2...Rdd8 3.g4! Nd7 4.g5+(Nb5 is good too) Kh5 5.Kf3! Nxe5 6.dxe5 Bc3 7.Nb5 Bxe5 8.c3! white wins.

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Position-2:
[D]2rr2k1/pp1q1bp1/4p2p/2npP3/5N1P/1Q4P1/PP3P2/1BRR2K1 w - - 0 1
Here 1.Rxc5!! wins by force! After 1...Rxc5 2.Qd3 we have the lines:

2...d4 3.Qh7+ Kf8 4.Qh8+ Ke7 5.Qxg7 Rg8 6.Qf6+ Ke8 7.Bh7 Rg4 8.Qh8+ Ke7 9.Ng6+ Rxg6 10.Bxg6 Bxg6+ 11.Qf6+ Ke8 12.Qxg6+ Kd8 13.Qxh6 +-
2...Rdc8 3.Qh7+ Kf8 4.Ng6+ Bxg6 5.Bxg6 Re8 6.Rd4 Rc4 7.Rxc4 dxc4 8.Qh8+ Ke7 9.Qxg7+ Kd8 10.Qxd7 Kxd7 11.Bxe8 Kxd8 12.f3 1-0
2...Re8 3.Qh7+ Kf8 4.Ng6+ Bxg6 5.Bxg6 Rc8 6.Rd4 Ke7 7.Bxe8 Rxe8(7...Kxe8 8.Rg4! g5 9.Qxh6 1-0) 8.Rg4! 1-0

But the most interesting lines come from:
2...Kf8 3.Qh7 now the only option is 3...Bf8.

Of course there is 3...d4 also but this loses too:
-3...d4 4.Qh8+ Ke7 5.Qxg7 Rg8 6.Qf6+ Ke8 7.Bh7 Rg4 8.Qh8+ Ke7 9.Ng6+ Rxg6 10.Bxg6 Bxg6 11.Qf6+ Ke8 12.Qxg6+ Kd8 13.Qxh6 +-

So we have:
-3...Bf8 4.Qh8 Rc4 and now not the bad 5.Rxd5? but: 5.Ng6!
Glaurung Lodz seems to prefer 5.Rxd5? here after 3 minutes :-(
But 5.Rxd5? exd5 6.e6 Rxf4 7.exd7 Re4 8.Bxe4 dxe4 and black is fine.
[D]3r1kbQ/pp1q2p1/4p2p/3pP3/2r2N1P/6P1/PP3P2/1B1R2K1 w - - 0 5

Here after 5.Ng6+! Kf7 6.Kg2!! black is doomed:
-6...Qc6 7.Rd3 Kxg6 8.Rf3 and 1-0
[D]3r2bQ/pp4p1/2q1p1kp/3pP3/2r4P/5RP1/PP3PK1/1B6 b - - 0 8

-6...d4 7.Rd3 and here again white can't capture the Knight since white has the amazing 8.Rf3!! 1-0
[D]3r2bQ/pp1q1kp1/4p1Np/4P3/2rp3P/3R2P1/PP3PK1/1B6 b - - 0 7
After 7...Kxg6 8.Rf3!! Kh5 and white has a mate in 10 with 9.Bd3.

Black has also the option of 8...d3 9.Bxd3 Qxd3 10.Rxd3 Rxd3 11.Qxg8 1-0

After 7.Rd3 black instead of capturing the Knight he can play:
7...Qd5+ 8.Rf3+ Qxf3 9.Kxf3 d3 10.Nf4 1-0

So what is left for black is:
-6...Qe8 7.h5 so:

--7...Bh7 8.Qxh7 Qg8 9.Qxg8 Kxg8 10.f4 +-
--7...d4 8.Rd3 Qc6+ 9.Rf3+ Qxf3+ 10.Kxf3 d3 11.Nf4 Rcd4 12.Nxd3 Rxd3 13.Bxd3 Rxd3 14.Kg2! +-
--7...Qc6 8.Rd3 d4+ Rf3+ the same with above +-
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Re: Glaurung Lodz 2007 (unofficial Windows distribution)

Post by Isaksen » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:02 pm

The mediafire link for Glaurung Lodz version is no longer working. Can somebody post another link that works thx.

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