Don wrote:mcostalba wrote:Don wrote: I don't think the ICGA is obligated to change the name of a tournament to thwart what other people do, that seems like a really silly idea. I agree that chessbase gets carried away with marketing, but doing away with the title is not a reasonable solution and since when is it ICGA's business to be the chessbase police?
Oh c'mon, ICGA
is business related ! Did you see who are the first 3 engines of 2011 ? Do you think ICGA lives out of love ? Even you highlighted that to run these events ICGA needs money !
C'mon Don, do you think here we are all so naive to don't see that ICGA is backed up by commercial engines and their editors ?
The only one
real reason why ICGA will never give up to that void name "World Computer Chess Championship" is because that (faked) "Wold Champion" title is what is needed by marketing people of organizations that support ICGA !!! This is even more than an elephat in the room, this is an entire zoo !
When you make an assertion like that you need to back it up with a lot more than just conjecture.
The content of a lot of these posts against the ICGA is just like this one, full of suppositions about secret motives and such, but nothing substantial.
Quite a few of the comments are simply insipid. There are vallid grounds on which to criticize the ICGA's tournament.
1. The original charter required that every other WCCC be held in North America. It was quietly changed to remove that.
2. The events are, and have been for many years, too long. Originally they were 5 rounds, with 2 on the first day, and held in conjunction with a major conference such as the annual ACM conference, or IFIPS or whatever.
3. Some criticize the unlimited hardware, even though uniform-platform events have disappeared due to lack of interest. But the non-programmers still criticize this annually, not knowing that it was done and nobody was interested in competing.
But to criticize the ICGA as biased for or against any single program is simply stupid. It would be in the ICGA's best interest to not have such scandals become public. It harms computer chess in general. And that does NOT help the ICGA in any way...