don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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found some old stuff:
pictures:
http://www.thorstenczub.de/aegon.html
data:
http://www.thorstenczub.de/aegon96.html
http://www.thorstenczub.de/aegon97.html

found some games from the aegon tournament, don's engine cilk-chess running on his laptop versus CSTAL:
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here the games and the quotes from 1997
at these days computers at the aegon tournament had Hewlett Packard P6/200 Mhz hardware:
We discussed much in Den Haag. I met Don Daily, who is a nice guy
working on the CILK-CHESS project. I guess this program has more
chances ever to win against Kasparov than any other program.

Don Daily likes to implement chess-knowledge into his
parallel-program. Although he had only a small notebook with him, we
played some games, I wanted to know about cilk-chess - of course - and
the best way to find out about a program is to watch the games, and
watch the evaluations and main-lines.
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "15'game"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "CSTal v231"]
[Black "Cilkchess 1CPU"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 {+0,50}
d6 7. Bg5 {+0,39} a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 {+0,25} gxf6 10. Nd5 {+0,20} f5 11. Bd3 {first seconds
CSTal considered about Bxb5, I was very nervous. NONONO I tried to
hypnotize it} Be6 12. Qh5 {of course here we come again in a kind of
position Tal likes more... +0,95} Bg7 13. O-O f4 14. c4 {+1,02} bxc4
15. Bxc4 {+1,39} O-O 16. Rac1 Rb8 17. b3 {cstal did not decided to eat
with Bxa6} Qa5 18. Nb1 Kh8 19. Nbc3 f5 20. Rfd1 {temptation here was
Ne7 Bxc4 and difficult stuff. I don't know why Rook-move came in the
end...} Bd7 21.
Rd2 fxe4 22. Nxe4 {+2,40} Bf5 23. Ndc3 Nd4 24. Ng5 {+2,05} Bg6 25. Qh3
Bf6 26. Nge4 Bxe4 27.
Nxe4 d5 28. Nxf6 {+2,61} Rxf6 29. Bd3 Rf7 30. Rcd1 {+1,62} Rg8 31.
Qh5 Rfg7 32. Bxh7 {+4,41 !! It looks that cilk has overseen some
tactical stuff that is TAL's favourite job: fishing threads arround
the king....never try to do king-attack stuff with cstal as opponent.}
Rxg2+ 33.
Kh1 {+6,81} Rg1+ 34. Rxg1 Rxg1+ 35. Kxg1 Qxd2 {cstal evaluated finally
+7,42 main-line says:Bd3+ Kg7 Qxe5+ Kf7 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc5+ Ke6 Qb6+ Kd5
Bc4+ Ke5 Qc7+ Kf6 Qf7+ Ke5 Qe7+ Kf5 ...and strange stuff} 1-0
[/pgn]
What a funny position on board!

As you now see CSTal is almost always good for a spectacular sac
or a promising undercover-job.
Here comes another sacrificial game....
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "CSystem Tal"]
[Black "Cilk-chess 1CPU"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5
a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Nd5 {+0,49} Qa5+ 10. Bd2 {+0,62} Qd8 11. Nxf6+ Qxf6 12. Be3
Be6 13. Nxb5 {oh no - here it comes, +0,17 for this tiny little sac}
axb5 14.
Bxb5 Kd7 {here the king is there where we wanted him to be...} 15. Qd2
{+2,51} Qg6 16. f3 {+2,46} Be7 17. a3 {+1,24} f5 18. Bxc6+ {+3,06}
Kxc6 19. exf5 Bxf5 20. g4 {+0,88 ugh - its not easy to fight against
cilk-chess. Score goes up and down...}
Be6 21. O-O-O {but Tal is watching us in heaven and sometimes sending
HELPING hands...} Ra4 22. f4 {sometimes you must give a pawn to bluff,
and sometimes to fool the opponent} Bxg4 {Ha ! Bluff worked!!} 23.
Qd5+ {+2,39 the bishop e6 made anything so safe in blacks area, now,
having taken the poisened pawn, the game turns into the right
direction, so that IN THE END the sac on b5 was alright - he - only
joking here...} Kc7 24. Bb6+ {another piece is thrown in his mouth.
Will he eat it too ?? +0,60 fail-high. Thats indeed the game of the
feeding Tal.} Kxb6 25. Qb3+ Kc7 26. Qxa4
Qh6 27. Qa7+ { +2,20 and Tal feeling in his element....} Kd8 28. Qb8+
{+2,22} Bc8 29. Kb1 {not to forget the king-safety. +3,02 for this
little move...} exf4 30. Rhe1 {+4,16} Re8 31. Qb6+ {+10,02 Just a few
little moves and the game is over...} Kd7 32. Qa7+ {+9,10}
Kd8 33. Qa5+ {+9,75} Kd7 34. Qb5+ {don't worry, we will not give
check-check-check and draw like in Paderborn against the spanish
program, we fixed this bug !! } Kd8 35. Rd3 Bg4 36. Qb8+ {cannot tell
you evaluation, must be mate announced or something....} Kd7 37. Qb7+
Kd8 38. Rc3 1-0
[/pgn]
You see, with chess system tal the boring days of computerchess are
over.

We will never see games where no side of the players have an idea,
this is the step into funny games....

Of course it is much more complicated to win with black....
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Cilk-chess 1CPU"]
[Black "CSystem Tal"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 c6 4. e3 e6 5. Bd3 Nbd7 6. O-O dxc4 7. Bxc4
Bd6 {-0,41} 8.
Nc3 Nb6 9. Bd3 O-O 10. e4 Be7 11. Bg5 Ng4 {-0,80} 12. Bxe7 Qxe7 13. h3
Nh6 14. Rc1 Rd8
15. Re1 e5 {-0,47} 16. dxe5 Kh8 {+0,03} 17. Re3 Be6 18. Re2 Qb4
{-0,02} 19. Rd2 Qa5 20. b3 Nd7 21. Be2
Nxe5 {-0,16 } 22. Nxe5 Rxd2 23. Nxf7+ {he cilk - we are Tal, not you
!!} Nxf7 24. Qxd2 Rd8 {-0,26} 25. Qe3 a6 26. f4 Qb4 27. Kh2
Qe7 {the programs are fishing arround, nothing special...CSTal tries
to activate it's queen. A queen needs a king to mate...} 28. g3 Qf6
29. e5 Qh6 30. h4 Qg6 {-0,90, CSTal is not satisfied with the
position. Will Cilkchess win this game?} 31. b4 Nh6 {0,00 ! Tal feels
something coming} 32. Qb6 {Ha - I told Don that this is brilliant! Now
CSTal feeds Cilk with UNIMPORTANT pawns. The Bronstein-method of
handling with computerchess. Don laughed, but maybe he did not
believed it right here ?} Rd2 {+0,53 CSTal on it's way making a win!}
33. Qxb7 {unimportant pawn number 1. +1,18 says CSTal. } Qd3 34.
Qa8+ Ng8 {+1,34} 35. Qxc6 {unimportant pawn number 2} Bg4 {+2,03 and
Tal in good mood! 3 pawns less but having an attack...} 36. Qg2 Bxe2
{+2,80} 37. Nb1 Rb2 {+2,88} 38. a3 Qe3 39. Re1 Ra2 40. h5
Nh6 41. Qa8+ Ng8 42. Qg2 Qd3 {+2,91} 43. Nc3 Qxc3 {+2,16} 44. Rxe2
Rxa3 45. e6 {+2,38} Ne7 46. Rc2 Qf6 {+1,94}
47. Qa8+ Ng8 48. Qe4 Qd8 49. Qe2 Ra1 {+2,17} 50. h6 {Hu - the trouble
comes nearer ! Good to know that Tal works also to defend own
king-position, not only to attack with it....+2,13} Qd5 51. hxg7+ Kxg7
52. Qg4+ Kh8 53.
Kh3 h5 {+4,44} 54. Qg6 Rh1+ {+4,48} 55. Rh2 Qf3 {+2,97} 56. Qc2 Rg1
{+3,93} 57. Qg6 Qf1+ {+4,39} 58. Kh4 Qxf4+ {+4,09} 59. gxf4
Rxg6 60. f5 Rg4+ {+1,05} 61. Kxh5 Nf6+ {+1,19} 62. Kh6 Rg3 63. Rh1
Ng8+ 64. Kh5 Kg7 {+1,91} 65. Kh4 Rg2
66. Rf1 Kf6 {+4,14} 67. Kh3 Rb2 68. Rf3 Rxb4 69. Ra3 Rb6 70. Ra5 Ne7
71. Kg4 Nc6 {+4,75} 72.
Ra4 a5 {+5,15} 73. Re4 Rb4 {+6,69} 74. Kg3 Rxe4 {+19,79} 0-1
[/pgn]

Is this enough , as the FIRST PART
OF THE AEGON TOURNAMENT ??
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
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Re: don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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Interesting. CS Tal really did a passable imitation of Tal's style. The evals in the 2nd game are crazy. A key point seems to be here:

[D] 7r/4b1pp/2kpb1q1/4p3/r4PP1/P3B3/1PPQ3P/2KR3R b - - 0 22

where 22. .. exf4 instead of Bxg4 wins for Black.

--Jon
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Re: don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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S.Taylor wrote:
jdart wrote:Interesting. CS Tal really did a passable imitation of Tal's style. The evals in the 2nd game are crazy. A key point seems to be here:

[D] 7r/4b1pp/2kpb1q1/4p3/r4PP1/P3B3/1PPQ3P/2KR3R b - - 0 22

where 22. .. exf4 instead of Bxg4 wins for Black.

--Jon
I would set it up for myself if I had the right working equipment at hand and wasn't busy to go away right now.

And i anyway ask anyone, if this is actually the strongest move, do other top engines not play it?

(and the same question goes for other brilliances by CSTal, and indeed those of Tal himself, the ones which were objectively best [of course. Not those which were flawed, strictly analytically]).
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Re: don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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S.Taylor wrote:
jdart wrote:Interesting. CS Tal really did a passable imitation of Tal's style. The evals in the 2nd game are crazy. A key point seems to be here:

[D] 7r/4b1pp/2kpb1q1/4p3/r4PP1/P3B3/1PPQ3P/2KR3R b - - 0 22

where 22. .. exf4 instead of Bxg4 wins for Black.

--Jon
I would set it up for myself if I had the right working equipment at hand and wasn't busy to go away right now.

And i anyway ask anyone, if this is actually the strongest move, do other tp engines not play it?
Stockfish sees this instantly.

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Re: don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

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now it is 2013. it was 1997.

16 years development is a long time in computerchess.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
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Re: don dailey 1997 at the aegon tournament

Post by jdart »

Move 29 by Black was also strange:

[D] 1Qbk3r/4b1pp/3p3q/4p3/5P2/P7/1PP4P/1K1R3R b - - 0 29

29 .. Qxf4 is much better than the game move exf4, although White is still better. Still, I can remember being very happy that my 90's era program could find 3-4 move mates. That was a different era, in terms of both program sophistication and machine speeds.

--Jon