MacBook Pro 20.5-inch M5 ULTRA 💻

[Magnum]

CPU: 52 cores (48 + 4) (@5.1 GHz + @4.3 GHz)
GPU: 108 cores
Neural Engine: 96 or 128 cores
LPDDR6T CAMM2 ~20000 MT/s ECC RAM
RAM up to 512 GB
SSD up to 32 TB
2 nm technology
Compute units ~2000
Shader ~15000
PCIe lanes 128
PCIe Bandwidth ~512 GB/s
Instruction set (ISA) ARMv9.5
ISA extensions
Rosetta 3
Multithreading
Metal 5
Frame Generation
DirectX Version 13
CPU and GPU overclocking
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Extreme (liquid metal)
L1 Cache: 16 MB
L2 Cache: 144 MB
L3 Cache: 512 MB
1000GB/s memory bandwidth
Memory channels 8 (Octa Channel)
Much faster Raytracing
24 hours battery
Better Speaker
4K camera
Headphone jack
4xThunderbolt 5
2xUSB-A
Gigabit LAN up to 40 GB/s
PCI Express 7.0
2xHDMI 2.1
2xDisplayPort 2.1a
2xSD Express 9.1 up to 2 GB/s
1x40Gb Ethernet port
Wifi 8
Bluetooth 6
5G+
Face ID
Touch ID
MLA OLED
5000 nits brightness
Refresh rates up to 480Hz @ 4K
8K @ 240Hz
Supports up to 12 external displays
Better Video, HDR 10+, ...
Better Audio, MP4, ...
Codec VP8 Decode / Encode
Codec AV1 Decode / Encode
Codec AVC Decode / Encode
Codec VC-1 Decode / Encode
Keyboard with additional separate F1 to F12 keys and additional Touch Bar
Better MacBook Pro case
Best heatsinks
8x AirJets Mini Slim
Improved fan noise
Improve airflow inside the case
360W USB-C to MagSafe Charge Cable (3 m)
Operating temperature: 14° to 122° F (-10° to 50° C)
Operating altitude: 16,400 feet (5000 meters)
Tjunction max 248° F / 120° C

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/06/20 ... cbook-kuo/

[smatovic]

First things first, what about M4???

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Srdja

[Magnum]

First things first, what about M4???

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Srdja

M4, M4 PRO, M4 MAX, M4 ULTRA, End of 2024
M4 MAX with +2 or +4 CPU cores
+2 performance cores
or +2 performance cores and +2 efficiency cores
Note that with more and more cores, the number increases exponentially and not linearly.

No M3 ULTRA. (M3 ULTRA => M4 ULTRA)

M4 ULTRA and later comes without ULTRA Fusion.
No MAX + MAX chip connection.
Reason: Ultra Fusion doesn't double the performance. (100% -> 200% is what Apple always wants) (100% -> 175% is what they get).
Only in some cases like chess they get 100% -> 200%.
Ultra = completely new chip. More cores, more performance, better cooling. 100% -> 200%.


M5, M5 PRO, M5 MAX, M5 ULTRA, End of 2026

[smatovic]

[...]
+2 performance cores
or +2 performance cores and +2 efficiency cores
Note that with more and more cores, the number increases exponentially and not linearly.
[...]

+2 is linear x2 is exponential, just saying

What about "AI PC", any news on new NPU chips for running neural networks?

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Srdja

[Magnum]

[...]
+2 performance cores
or +2 performance cores and +2 efficiency cores
Note that with more and more cores, the number increases exponentially and not linearly.
[...]

+2 is linear x2 is exponential, just saying

What about "AI PC", any news on new NPU chips for running neural networks?

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Srdja

I meant:
M1 MAX 10 cores
+2 cores
=M2 MAX 12 cores
+4 cores (not +2)
=M3 MAX 16 cores

M4 main focus: AI / Neural Engine.
M4 MAX Neural Engine with 32 cores.

[smatovic]

Ah, x~1.25 across all core count, I considered just the performance cores:

M1 Max 8+2 (P+E) 10
M2 Max 8+4 (P+E) 12
M3 Max 12+4 (P+E) 16

projection:

M4 Max 14+4/6 (P+E) 18/20
M5 Max 20+4 (P+E) 24

Or is it linear growth, +2|4?

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Srdja

[wickedpotus]

It seems unlikely that the upcoming Apple products will match the performance or price point of future Intel's 16th generation, AMD's Zen 7, or the Snapdragon processors expected in 2025. Based on current trends, it's reasonable to predict that this product might be heavily marketed and priced at a premium. Consumers focused primarily on functionality might find it less appealing compared to those who value brand and style.

[towforce]

Consumers focused primarily on functionality might find [Apple products] less appealing compared to those who value brand and style.

This is off-topic, but it's very noticeable that, on a night out, if you meet a girl (young girls in particular) who have an Apple phone, they'll go to a lot of trouble to "accidentally" ensure that you see that their phone is an Apple phone. You won't be allowed to miss the logo.

Obviously there's no actual benefit to them of doing this, but what do they, even unconsciously, think the benefit is? All I can think of is that girls like to show off.

Btw global culture is with us in the female sex: in certain situations, girls will say exactly the same things using exactly the same words whether they're Asian, African, European or American. My best guess is that it's coming from Netflix (to which I am not a subscriber).

[smatovic]

[...]

DOJ Antitrust Lawsuit Says Apple Is Causing Android Users 'Social Stigma'
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/25 ... ial-stigma

Girls like to date Apple boys?



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Srdja

[towforce]

DOJ Antitrust Lawsuit Says Apple Is Causing Android Users 'Social Stigma'
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/25 ... ial-stigma

Girls like to date Apple boys?