FIDE World Chess Championship thread

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....

The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....

Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters

I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

[George]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....

The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....

Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters

I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

Dr. Deeb the betting Mafia has been controlling the Match from the beginning, they already made a killing, by taking money from the Majority that predicted Magnus to win at least 1 in the first three games, now the same betting Mafia will control Magnus to lose tomorrow and tie the match, so they can make more Money $$$$$$$$$. $$

PS: Remember Money and Power are controlling our World :, In one of the interview, both players said something that the majority of the people did not catch it (It is the system, and we can not do anything about it) wink:

[IGarcia]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws

I didnt used a computer, just concluded Rc1 loses after reading:

Carlsen played Bh7.
[d]8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/PbK5/6PP/3r4 b - - 2 2
It's interesting because, if Carlsen only has draw moves, Anand only has one move that doesn't lose, each time, so it's not that easy for black actually. One mistake and it's lost.

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0.00/28 2...Ra1 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.Bxb3 Rxa3 5.Kc4 axb3 6.Rh6+ Kd7 7.Kc3 Ra2 8.Kxb3 Rxg2 9.Rxh4 Re2 10.Rh7+ Kc6 11.Rh5 Kd5 12.e6+ Kxe6 13.Rxc5 Rxh2 14.Ra5 Re2 15.Rg5 Rd2 16.Kc3 Rf2 17.Kb3 Rd2
+0.42/28 2...Re1 3.e6+ Kd6 4.Rxh4 Ra1 5.Re4 Rxa3 6.e7 Bf7+ 7.Kb2 Ra2+ 8.Kb1 Rxg2 9.e8=Q Bxe8 10.Rxe8 Rxh2 11.Bd3 Kd5 12.Rd8+ Kc6 13.Ra8 Rh4 14.Kb2 Rb4+ 15.Kc3 Rb3+ 16.Kd2 Rb4 17.Bf5 Rf4 18.Bc2 Rb4 19.Kc3
+0.90/28 2...h3 3.Rxh3 Rc1+ 4.Kb2 Rg1 5.Rg3 Kxe5 6.h4 Re1 7.Bg6 Kd4 8.Rg4+ Ke5 9.h5 Re3 10.Kc1 Be6 11.Rxa4 Re2 12.Ra5 Rxg2 13.Rxc5+ Bd5 14.Ra5 Ra2
+1.39/27 2...Rc1+ 3.Kb2 Re1 4.Bg8+ Kd4 5.Rxh4+ Kd3 6.Bh7+ Kd2 7.Re4 Rxe4 8.Bxe4 c4 9.Kb1 c3 10.h4 Bd5 11.Bc2 Bb3 12.Bg6 Bf7 13.Bf5 Be6 14.Bh7 Bg8 15.Be4 Bd5
+1.45/27 2...Kc6 3.Be4+ Kb5 4.Bd3+ Kc6 5.Rh6+ Kd5 6.Bc4+ Kxe5 7.Bxb3 axb3 8.Rxh4 Rg1 9.Kxb3 Rxg2 10.a4 Kd5 11.a5 Re2 12.a6 Re3+ 13.Ka4 Re2 14.Rh5+ Kd4 15.Rh3 Ra2+ 16.Ra3 Rxh2 17.a7 Rh8 18.Kb5 Ra8
+1.87/27 2...Rd4 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.Rh6+ Kb5 5.Bxb3 axb3 6.e6 Kc6 7.e7+ Kd7 8.Re6 Ke8 9.Re2 h3 10.g3 Rd1 11.Kxb3 Rb1+ 12.Kc3 Ra1 13.Kd3 Rd1+ 14.Kc2 Ra1 15.Kc3 Rxa3+ 16.Kc4 Ra7 17.Kxc5 Rd7 18.g4 Rxe7 19.Rxe7+ Kxe7 20.g5 Kf7 21.Kd4 Kg6
+2.00/27 2...Rg1 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.Rh6+ Kb5 5.Bxb3 axb3 6.Kxb3 c4+ 7.Kc3 Ra1 8.Rxh4 Rxa3+ 9.Kd4 Rd3+ 10.Ke4 Rd2 11.g4 Kc5 12.Rh7 Re2+ 13.Kf3 Re1 14.Rc7+ Kd4 15.Rd7+ Kc5 16.h4 c3 17.Rc7+ Kd4 18.g5 Kd3 19.Rd7+ Kc4 20.g6 c2 21.g7 Rf1+ 22.Ke4 Re1+ 23.Kf5 Rf1+ 24.Ke6
+2.16/27 2...c4 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.e6 Rd3+ 5.Kb4 c3 6.e7 Re3 7.Bxb3 axb3 8.Kxb3 c2+ 9.Kb2 Rxe7 10.Rxh4 Kd5 11.Kxc2 Re2+ 12.Kc3 Rxg2 13.a4 Kc5 14.Rh5+ Kb6 15.a5+ Ka6 16.Kc4 Rc2+ 17.Kb3 Re2 18.Kc4 Re4+ 19.Kd3 Ra4 20.h3 Ra2 21.Kc4 Ra4+ 22.Kc3 Rf4 23.Kd3 Ra4 24.Kc3
+2.18/27 2...Rh1 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.Bxb3 axb3 5.Rxh4 Kd5 6.Kxb3 Re1 7.Rg4 Re3+ 8.Kb2 Rxe5 9.a4 c4 10.h4 Re2+ 11.Kc3 Re3+ 12.Kc2 Re2+ 13.Kc3
+2.22/27 2...Rf1 3.Bg8+ Kc6 4.Rh6+ Kb5 5.Bxb3 axb3 6.e6 Re1 7.Kxb3 Re3+ 8.Kc2 Kc6 9.Rxh4 Rxe6 10.Kd3 Re1 11.Rg4 Ra1 12.a4 Kd5 13.h4 Ra3+ 14.Kd2 c4 15.a5 Ra1 16.h5 Ra2+ 17.Kc1 Re2 18.Kb1 c3 19.h6

As I take as true that (marked in bold) statement, the only move does not lose was Ra1, so Rc1+ looses. But was not the case.

And in some way, Julien was right, Rc1 finally loses the draw line after Rc1+ and Re1 is a very complex one.

[kgburcham]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....
The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....
Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters
I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/PbK5/6PP/3r4 b - -


Here are the GM choices
Anand chose 45...Rg1
(I did not check these lines to see if they are true or bm)

depth,score,best line
42 0.00 45...Ra1 46.Bg8+ Kc6 (74.675.330.850) 15393
42 0.00 45...Rc1+ 46.Kb2 Re1 (74.675.330.850) 15393
42 0.00 45...Re1 46.e6+ Kxe6 (74.675.330.850) 15393
42 0.86 45...h3 46.Rxh3 Rc1+ (74.675.330.850) 15393
42 1.41 45...Kc6 46.Rh6+ Kd5 47.Bg8+ Kxe5 48.Rh5+ Kd6 49.Bxb3 axb3 (74.675.330.850) 15393
41 2.22 45...Rg1 46.Bg8+ Kc6 (74.675.330.850) 15393
41 2.26 45...Rd4 46.Bg8+ Kc6 (74.675.330.850) 15393
41 2.84 45...Ke6 46.Bg8+ Kd7 (74.675.330.850) 15393
41 2.86 45...Rf1 46.Bg8+ Kc6 (74.675.330.850) 15393
41 3.03 45...c4 46.Bg8+ Kc6 (74.675.330.850) 15393

[IGarcia]

Dr. Deeb the betting Mafia has been controlling the Match from the beginning, they already made a killing, by taking money from the Majority that predicted Magnus to win at least 1 in the first three games, now the same betting Mafia will control Magnus to lose tomorrow and tie the match, so they can make more Money $$$$$$$$$. $$

PS: Remember Money and Power are controlling our World :, In one of the interview, both players said something that the majority of the people did not catch it (It is the system, and we can not do anything about it) wink:

Are You serious?

@kgburcham: nice video.

[Cumnor]

51...Re2! was Anand's last chance to draw

[Ajedrecista]

Hello:

If I maintain the parameters of former simulations, I get now:

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White advantage:              40.0 Elo.
Supposed rating difference:   47.0 Elo.

            1000000 simulations:

Carlsen wins:               827374
Anand wins:                  48138
Drawn matches:              124488

Approximated elapsed time:    4.31 seconds.

Carlsen's win of today is very important due to the short length of the match (only 12 games). If I suppose 30% of chances for Carlsen after a drawn match (I think that 30% is a low value): 82.7374% + 0.3*12.4488% = 86.47204% ~ 86.47%. There is a big jump of over 15% in my clumsy forecast just after this game.

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Today Anand played really well the middlegame until ..., Rc1+; just as a side note, I started to see the game around 30th move and my last seen move was Bh7 by Carlsen, just the previous move to ..., Rc1+. Curious thing.

I am satisfied with the fighting spirit of last games.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....

The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....

Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters

I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

Dr. Deeb the betting Mafia has been controlling the Match from the beginning, they already made a killing, by taking money from the Majority that predicted Magnus to win at least 1 in the first three games, now the same betting Mafia will control Magnus to lose tomorrow and tie the match, so they can make more Money $$$$$$$$$. $$

PS: Remember Money and Power are controlling our World :, In one of the interview, both players said something that the majority of the people did not catch it (It is the system, and we can not do anything about it) wink:

Conspiracy theories at the WCC,come on

[IGarcia]

51...Re2! was Anand's last chance to draw

I do not have 7-men TB, but seems you are correct: 51...Re2! draws

[pgn]
[Event "WCC 2013"]
[Site "Chennai, India"]
[Date "2013.11.15"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Carlsen"]
[Black "Anand"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "8/3k4/8/2p1P3/7R/PK6/6rP/8 b - - 0 51"]
51... Ke6
( 51...Re2! 52.Kc4 Rxe5 53.a4 Kc6 54.Rh6+ Kb7 55.a5 Ka7 56.a6
( 56.h4 Re4+ 57.Kxc5 $10 {TB} )
56...Re2 57.Kxc5 $10 {TB} )
52.a4 Kxe5 53.a5 Kd6 54.Rh7 Kd5 55.a6 c4+ 56.Kc3 Ra2 57.a7 Kc5 58.h4 1-0
[/pgn]

BTW, Seems we have in this WCC:

[George]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

Your right operator!
Rc1+ is till a draw. Rg1 is the blunder.

But we know the human could not see the draw because he did not play 46...Re1 instead blundered with 46...Rg1.
the 2800 human will see the drawing line with Stockfish in the Hotel room.
kgburcham

wait for it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI8ae3Lub8

You can not stereotype all GMs and say human could not see the draw, because GM Kramnik, and GM Nakamura tweeted immediately and said that 46...Re1 could have still hold the draw, and they were simply watching the game, and not using the Computer according to them because in some position the computer would say 1.78 in favor of Magnus while there were still chances to draw according to GM Nakamura.

Hikaru has plenty of experience playing Versus Computer, and at an amazing speed too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHb9615DknU